Let's be honest, he does not want to fight him! He took a fight with Ortiz which many regard as a tougher fight for half the paycheck so he could avoid Whyte.
Wilder fans say Whyte is garbage so why not beat him for a record high payday? Eddie Hearn has now stated he's improved his offer to Wilder to fight Whyte with reports indicating its as much as 6 million with a gurentee that the winner gets AJ next.
Why then is he so afraid to fight Whyte? He previously said he'd accept the Whyte fight if AJ was on the contract so Hearn called his bluff and is prepared to pay him a record high paycheck.
Instead reports are circulating that's Wilder and his team will be fighting Breazeale next for probably around 1 million and no guarantee of AJ fight next.
Wilder is so afraid of Whyte that instead of having the best seat in the house at ringside to watch the biggest heavyweight fight this year, he's decided to watch it from home in Alabama.
What makes this move worse is that he was being paid a lot of money to get the pleasure to watch this fight from ringside, he was being flown in business class and given a 5 star hotel with all the world's media and spotlight on him. This would have been the perfect opportunity to build his name and profile as the fight is being broadcasted to every country in the world with millions watching.
But he's so frightened of Whyte that he will be hiding in Alabama instead of taking this massive opportunity with both hands. It's is blatant that he's so afraid of Whyte. Both Wilder and his publicist have stayed Wilder won't be at Cardiff due to Whyte. But they can't can't avoid Whyte for much longer as he's #1 in the WBC rankings.
This fight isn't happening next otherwise Wilder would have been there in Cardiff to build it up. Lou DiBella who promotes Wilder himself said he expects the fight in 2019. Hearn has stated if AJ fights Wilder next it won't he until December so why Doesn't Wilder fight Whyte in the mean time?
AJ has now stated he will invite Wilder into the ring if he wins but Wilder has decided not to attend the fight to avoid an altercation with Whyte. Wilder is currently on the Thaboxingvoice and he said he will do his own thing and become 51-0 before fighting AJ!
This American fraud from Alabama is a Joke!
Wilder has no excuse for not fighting whyte. Wilder likes fighting chumps so why not fight another one?
I don't know because I'm not involved in the negotiations, the terms and conditions being offered aren't public so only the fighters' teams know what's on the table.
I thought It was nonsense initially, but if you are going to fight that kownacki guy instead of whyte, it's a duck
I’m gonna have to agree with this. In the grand scheme of things Hearn throwing Whyte into the mix like some sort of delay tactic, is stupid and frustrating. I’ve said before, yes he may be in line for the WBC but if Hearn wasn’t shouting from the rooftops about him then not one single AJ fanboy would be repeating it.
BUT...IF Wilder is off to fight someone worse than Whyte it does indeed look bad. Wilder would be stagnating his position while everyone else is improving theirs. This only serves in detriment to the superfight being sooner rather than later.
I don't think too highly of Wilder but he would knock Whyte into next week, that's not a serious fight. If Wilder doesn't want that fight, it's certainly not because he's afraid :lol1:
Wilder has no excuse for not fighting whyte. Wilder likes fighting chumps so why not fight another one?
I don't think too highly of Wilder but he would knock Whyte into next week, that's not a serious fight. If Wilder doesn't want that fight, it's certainly not because he's afraid :lol1:
This 'afraid' nonsense is all casual talk. Fighters at the top level aren't afraid of eachother, people on here don't know what a fighter's mindset is like so it's no wonder 95% of the discussion on the forum is about fighters ducking or being afraid.
Seriously, some of you guys have been 'watching' boxing for years and you still take the same bait every single time.
Only a Wilder fan would consider Stiverne as a legit threat.
The world's leading experts had Stiverne #2 in the world. If he wasn't a threat, it was only because Wilder is so dominant. If you're so good that #2 in the world isn't a threat, that's not your fault.
Whyte is to Wilder as WIlder is to AJ.
Whyte could upset Wilder's plans and future earning potential, so he doesn't want to fight him before he fights AJ.
WIlder's power could put AJ to sleep and mess up his long term eearning potential, so Hearn wants to make as much as he can (Miller, whyte 2 and Fury all possibly on HBO) before AJ fights wilder.
Really simple. It's not ducking, fear (although wilder and AJ look bad for not wanting to fight a guy that could beat them) or anything else, just big business.
Its not a duck....he just doesn’t want to a matchroom fighter without guarantees of aj.
It think it is a great tactic. Fighting whyte non-mandatory is a surrender to matchroom.
If you dont want to give me the fight all want to see...fine...stay in your lane...I will stay in my!!!
Your are going on mute!!!!!
joshua v wilder will be boxoffice, it surely has to be, it should happen later this year. Its a perfect setup for wilder really, the other guy has gone and done what he couldnt do, collected the belts and he gets one fight for them all!! nice, what is he complaining for i dont know, the guy has never even got one ppv buy and he wants 50/50, what a clown, thats not how things work mr wilder
You're lying. Stiverne was the #2 heavyweight in the world when Wilder beat him for the title. You're trying to rewrite history.
I'm not talking about building the fight. I'm talking about the financial split being higher in a purse bid. Two different things. AJ vs. Wilder doesn't need to be built anymore. It's the biggest fight in boxing.
You don't know what Wilder actually gets paid. You're basing everything on listed purses, which are bull**** and you know it. Unless you believe Cotto got 750k for his retirement fight?
It doesn't make any sense for Wilder to rush into his mandatory and reset the clock any earlier than he has to. Also, by allowing Whyte vs. Ortiz, a fight Ortiz likely wins, that means Wilder can fulfill his mandatory with an Ortiz rematch, which would kill two birds with one stone.
If Hearn is telling the truth, the fight will happen. If the fight doesn't happen, you'll know Hearn is lying. But neither changes the fact that AJ vs. Wilder should be next and Hearn is the one preventing it.
You mean moot?
Only a Wilder fan would consider Stiverne as a legit threat..fact is the guy is and always has been a gate keeper.. Who cares what his rankings were? He won a vacant tile which boosted his ranking.. Charles Martin was also boosted in the ranking after winning a title but you don't hear me say he was a legit threat.
STALLING.. which ever spin you want to put on it, it's still stalling which = scared. If he wants the AJ fight, we'll it's guaranteed if he beats Whyte.. Isn't that what he asked for? So will you concede that he ducked Whyte is he fights Kownacki or Breazeale next?.. Logic would say you'd agree but I'm sure you'll find another excuse.
OK without going into figures.. We can both agree the biggest money fight available to him is Whyte? Also its much more competitive than Kownacki.. Isn't that what we want? Competitive fights.
Again that's stalling tactics.. We don't know if they'll order a final eliminator, they may just give it to Whyte like they did Stiverne.. Either way he's stalling when he could take the biggest money fight currently available to him.
I'm glad we both agree in this last one.. Your analogy being moot.
Eddie the wezel has mentioned over and over that aj is a business man.
FINE!!!
His biggest payday ever will be against Wilder. Same for Wilder. Biggest will be against Aj.
You will need the yanks on board for this.
Anyone who think americans will go paperview to watch aj vs whyte or aj vs fury are more than delusional
Wilder afraid of whyte...please...whyte couldn't even kockout Chisora.
You call yourself a boxing fan?
And you want to see Wilder vs whyte and not aj vs wilder?
Please...go back to your corner and be ashamed of yourself!!!!
woww.....this is amazing.
Why would he want to fight Dillion Whyte. Who had a controversial split decision over Chisora and just knocked out a guy that makes me wonder where they get these guys from.
Uk fans are amazing. First we all wanted to see aj vs wilder.
Then Wilder beats Ortiz and now uk fans want to see whyte fight wilder.
And to make things worse...eddie hearn hiding behind mandatory this or that. Jokers!!!!
2. He waited till his 40th fight before fighting a legit test.. I think its completely plausible for me to say he's picked the weakest opposition all his career minus his 40th fight.. Big WOW.
You're lying. Stiverne was the #2 heavyweight in the world when Wilder beat him for the title. You're trying to rewrite history.
3. Stalling a fight is another way to avoid it! You say Wilder would be an idiot to take Whyte fight as the money will keep increasing if you let it build yet if Hearn wants to let AJ vs Wilder build you say Hearn refuses to make the fight. Why don't you just admit Wilder is refusing to fight Whyte? Because it = Scared.
I'm not talking about building the fight. I'm talking about the financial split being higher in a purse bid. Two different things. AJ vs. Wilder doesn't need to be built anymore. It's the biggest fight in boxing.
4. Your excuse is a definition of a cop out.. Forget what Hearm wants for a minute. If you look at the landscape, other than AJ fight Whyte is the biggest money fight for Wilder. This is prize fighting, they want big money fights. So he's only doing his own bank balance a favour. That's such a stupid logic.. "I'm not going to reward Hearn by making 6 million, instead I'm going to Diss Hearn by making 1 million" WTF is this nonsense?
You don't know what Wilder actually gets paid. You're basing everything on listed purses, which are bull**** and you know it. Unless you believe Cotto got 750k for his retirement fight?
It doesn't make any sense for Wilder to rush into his mandatory and reset the clock any earlier than he has to. Also, by allowing Whyte vs. Ortiz, a fight Ortiz likely wins, that means Wilder can fulfill his mandatory with an Ortiz rematch, which would kill two birds with one stone.
5. Hearn has stated he will put AJ on the contract against Whyte.. Isn't that what Wilder asked for? Well contact Hearn and see if he puts his money where his mouth is.
If Hearn is telling the truth, the fight will happen. If the fight doesn't happen, you'll know Hearn is lying. But neither changes the fact that AJ vs. Wilder should be next and Hearn is the one preventing it.
6. Your example is mute.
You mean moot?
I’m not a pro boxer but even whyte don’t scare me. Anyone who goes life and death with chisora isn’t that great
Of course if whyte punched me or verbally abused me with threat of attacking me I’d be scared.
But that’s different
Because if Hearn refuses to allow AJ vs. Wilder, it's understandable why Wilder would keep things in house instead of rewarding Hearn by making a voluntary against one of his other fighters when Hearn is the one preventing AJ vs. Wilder.
You're lying. He just made a voluntary defense against the most feared and avoided heavyweight in the world.
You're lying. I don't want to see the Whyte fight at all. I'm simply pointing out that those of you who were convinced that the Whyte fight was such a great deal were clearly wrong since Hearn now claims he's increased his offer significantly. Which means Wilder would have been an idiot for accepting the offer you said he should have accepted.
That's a blatant cop out. That'd be like me saying, since the Whyte fight doesn't look like it's happening next, why not fight Kownacki? The only fight that should be happening is AJ vs. Wilder. Hearn is terrified of that fight and trying to stall with Whyte. Wilder isn't going to fall for it.
1. Wilder himself said he'll fight Whyte if AJ is on the contract - Hearn has been saying that's fine but Wilder is still talking about fighting Kownacki next = Scared
2. He waited till his 40th fight before fighting a legit test.. I think its completely plausible for me to say he's picked the weakest opposition all his career minus his 40th fight.. Big WOW.
3. Stalling a fight is another way to avoid it! You say Wilder would be an idiot to take Whyte fight as the money will keep increasing if you let it build yet if Hearn wants to let AJ vs Wilder build you say Hearn refuses to make the fight. Why don't you just admit Wilder is refusing to fight Whyte? Because it = Scared.
4. Your excuse is a definition of a cop out.. Forget what Hearm wants for a minute. If you look at the landscape, other than AJ fight Whyte is the biggest money fight for Wilder. This is prize fighting, they want big money fights. So he's only doing his own bank balance a favour. That's such a stupid logic.. "I'm not going to reward Hearn by making 6 million, instead I'm going to Diss Hearn by making 1 million" WTF is this nonsense?
5. Your example is mute. AJ hasn't even fought yet so we can't make future fights for him as he's in a tough fight and he may lose. Wilder and Whyte are free to negotiate thier next fights.. And Wilder's talking about fighting Kownacki next! Therefore it doesn't look like Wilder is fighting AJ next. "It doesn't look like the Whyte fight is happening next so why not fight Kownacki" That just proves he's avoiding Whyte as that fight has officially been offered to Wilder yet Wilder's talking about Kownacki = Scared.
6. If he wanted the AJ fight so bad, why isn't he at Cardiff this weekend commentating to the millions of people watching the Sky broadcast, telling them he wants AJ?.. Whyte's presence scared him not to come = Scared.
The question is why he is scared of fighting him. He'd rather fight Ortiz who is tough, he's talking about fighting Breazeale or Kownacki next.. Why is he so scared? He's gonna get 6million for Whyte. I just want to know why he is so scared of a guy AJ flattened.
Wilder fought Ortiz, because he figured he had the age advantage. Also, since Ortiz had been busted for PEDs, Wilder probably figured that without them, he'd be weaker. Vigorous testing made sure Ortiz was clean.
Wilder doesn't want Whyte, because he's a big, young, strong fighter. Every fight is a risk, and losing to Whyte would ruin a big payday against Joshua. That's why Wilder wants a fight with AJ included in a contract to fight Whyte.
Of course we want to see AJ vs Wilder! Nobody wants to see Wilder vs Adam Kownacki.. Why are you so against Wilder vs Whyte but don't have a problem with Wilder vs Kownacki??
Because if Hearn refuses to allow AJ vs. Wilder, it's understandable why Wilder would keep things in house instead of rewarding Hearn by making a voluntary against one of his other fighters when Hearn is the one preventing AJ vs. Wilder.
He's done this his whole career and fought the easiest options out there.
You're lying. He just made a voluntary defense against the most feared and avoided heavyweight in the world.
You want him to build the fight against Whyte but when Hearn wants to build the AJ fight you say they're ducking.
You're lying. I don't want to see the Whyte fight at all. I'm simply pointing out that those of you who were convinced that the Whyte fight was such a great deal were clearly wrong since Hearn now claims he's increased his offer significantly. Which means Wilder would have been an idiot for accepting the offer you said he should have accepted.
Since the AJ fight doesn't look like it's happening next, why doesn't Wilder fighter the next best opponent
That's a blatant cop out. That'd be like me saying, since the Whyte fight doesn't look like it's happening next, why not fight Kownacki? The only fight that should be happening is AJ vs. Wilder. Hearn is terrified of that fight and trying to stall with Whyte. Wilder isn't going to fall for it.
Why does OP fear a Joshua/Wilder fight?
Huh? Wilder is the one that said he's fighting Breazeale or Kownacki next.. If he wanted the AJ fight so bad he'd be ringside.. But instead he's scared that Whyte will be there so decided not to come. Facts. So stop deflecting that fact he's scared of Whyte.