Why are the clenelo fanboys

i thought ward was ducking the first and second krusher fight? ROFL. ducking ducking ducking ducking. Who gives a fuk stupid, I couldn't care less nuffy

I think the guys like that are more GGG haters than Canelo fans. They just want to see GGG lose and they don't care who does it and if they're dirty or not.

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Dumb thread.

That's a lie it doesn't leave your system in 36 hours. The NFL player who tested positive for this went to Mexico for 1 week vacation. Yet days after he was already back in the US he was drug tested and still had traces. Also the head of the WADA lab said the canelo test results including the drop in levels in the second test were consistent with meat contamination studies. Same also here is memo explaining it. https://www.am.com.mx/2018/03/07/general-nacional/deportes/por-este-motivo-habria-saul-alvarez-dado-positivo-en-clembuterol-443139-443139#ixzz59CFfL8SU The contamination of Saul Alvarez was due to consume meat, said Angel Guillermo Heredia. The physical trainer analyzed on his own the concentrations of clenbuterol that the "Canelo" threw in the voluntary tests carried out by the VADA (Voluntary Anti-Doping Association) on February 17 and 20 in Jalisco. The result for the Guadalajara man was 0.6 to 0.8 nanograms per milliliter in the first, and 0.06 to 0.08 in the second. "When doing a mathematical calculation, taking into account what is the half-life of clenbuterol, which is 36 hours, depends on the human being, the activity of the athlete or metabolism of the person, taking those factors, I made an exponential equation and I It gives me an accuracy of 99 percent that amount (of the 'Canelo') is according to consumption of contaminated meat. "In my opinion, neutral, and as a scientist and with morals, as a professional, with all the experience I have, it is practically due to contamination, since the levels of 'Canelo' are too low, what happens is that there are many problems of clenbuterol in Mexico, "Heredia added. "There are cases above 20 or 25, or up to 40 nanograms per milliliter, and they are clearly taking that substance as doping, and one point is that the tests were in Mexico, 'Canelo' ate that meat in Mexico." If today I took a pill, the minimum dose of clenbuterol, which is 0.02 milligrams, means that when I take that pill I will have an amount of 20 ng / ml in the urine, and after 36 hours I will have 10 ng / ml, and after another 36 hours I will have 5 thousand. Then, the "Canelo" had less than 1 ng / ml, and even lower 3 days later, so it goes according to what is metabolism of clenbuterol, it is nothing, and 'Canelo' for me is clean. Have you noticed that the bottom section by Heredia actually explains the problem with the reasoning of your post - and indeed Heredia's own conclusion? That is simply that the amount of Clenbuterol (or indeed any other drug) in the urine or plasma is purely and simply a matter of timing. You wait long enough (approximately 7 -9 days extrapolating from the figures Heredia gives, or longer for higher therapeutic doses) and urine concentrations which would originally have looked unambiguously like PED abuse drop to levels which could also be consistent with eating tainted beef. You sound like a smart chap... perhaps you can explain the fault in my reasoning. I'm not claiming that Canelo deliberately cheated, merely that it's impossible to know given the facts available. Anyone saying otherwise is simply spinning it, unless they have access to information they ain't sharing. The only conclusion that can be drawn is that if Canelo had been using Clenbuterol as a PED then he had stopped some time - certainly at least a week, but probably more - prior to his first test on 17th Feb. A generous interpretation of Memo's statements would be that he meant Canelo was not using at the time of the test, which would be fair to say.

Just to Clarify. The half life (strictly elimination half life in the case of drugs) of a chemical is the amount of time it takes for the body to eliminate (process and excrete) half of the amount of the chemical or it's metabolites that are present in blood plasma or urine. So after one half life there will be half as great a concentration of the drug present, after two half lives, one quarter the amount after three half lives 1/8 and so on.. I'm not quite sure where this idea came from that a drug would somehow be gone from/ undetectable in someone's system after a single half-life. The released figures for Canelos test results were not 600 - 800pg each time, but 600 - 800pg on the first test and 60 - 80pg on the second test 3 days later, which shows - as expected that the chemical Clenbuterol (which does not metabolise significantly) was being eliminated from his body. The only question raised is that the elimination process seems to have happened significantly faster than would have been expected in normal circumstances. The accepted figure in academic research for the half-life of Clenbuterol is about 35 - 36 hours (1), which would mean that in the 72 hours between Canelo's two tests we would have expected Canelo's urinary concentration to drop to around a quarter it's original value (roughly 150 - 200pg) whereas the measured value was very significantly lower (60 -80pg). There are methods for accelerating the elimination of a drug from one's system of course - such as drinking copious amounts of fluids, but this is a measure one would be unlikely to take unless one already knew that the first test was likely to pop dirty. That said, I ain't any kind of expert on this matter and there may be some other plausible explanation for this anomaly, although I've yet to hear the question even raised publicly. (1) The lower figures quoted for the half life in Clenbuterol can in many cases be traced back to research on rats, which for all practical purposes are irrelevant due to inter-species variability. Rabbits, for instance have a Clen half-life of approximately 8-9 hours. ttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4045696 Great post, explains heaps more about the situation,, thankyou,

The only way you can defend your ignorant-ass thread is to say everyone who disagrees with you is Mexican. You are trash. I see you didnt answer my question though, have you got a horse in the race, i havent, i have absolutely no connection to eitber fighter in nationality

I haven't forgotten anything, a drug cheat is a drug cheat, I've never bagged wilder, I've bagged fluid IVayweather for the masking, Lucas Browne for clen amongst others, meat contamination isn't an excuse, if you know there is issues involving meat then at this level in boxing you import any meat you want to eat, what I find interesting is how there has been a number of threads regarding the short window for testing clen, how it disappears from your body within 24/36 hours, yet clenelo was tested twice, the 17th February and the 20th February and the results for bot tests came back at 0.6-0.8 for both tests, so the levels in his body didn't drop at all and the tests had something like 72 hours between them, why hasn't that been mentioned Just to Clarify. The half life (strictly elimination half life in the case of drugs) of a chemical is the amount of time it takes for the body to eliminate (process and excrete) half of the amount of the chemical or it's metabolites that are present in blood plasma or urine. So after one half life there will be half as great a concentration of the drug present, after two half lives, one quarter the amount after three half lives 1/8 and so on.. I'm not quite sure where this idea came from that a drug would somehow be gone from/ undetectable in someone's system after a single half-life. The released figures for Canelos test results were not 600 - 800pg each time, but 600 - 800pg on the first test and 60 - 80pg on the second test 3 days later, which shows - as expected that the chemical Clenbuterol (which does not metabolise significantly) was being eliminated from his body. The only question raised is that the elimination process seems to have happened significantly faster than would have been expected in normal circumstances. The accepted figure in academic research for the half-life of Clenbuterol is about 35 - 36 hours (1), which would mean that in the 72 hours between Canelo's two tests we would have expected Canelo's urinary concentration to drop to around a quarter it's original value (roughly 150 - 200pg) whereas the measured value was very significantly lower (60 -80pg). There are methods for accelerating the elimination of a drug from one's system of course - such as drinking copious amounts of fluids, but this is a measure one would be unlikely to take unless one already knew that the first test was likely to pop dirty. That said, I ain't any kind of expert on this matter and there may be some other plausible explanation for this anomaly, although I've yet to hear the question even raised publicly. (1) The lower figures quoted for the half life in Clenbuterol can in many cases be traced back to research on rats, which for all practical purposes are irrelevant due to inter-species variability. Rabbits, for instance have a Clen half-life of approximately 8-9 hours. ttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4045696

Are you of Mexican decent by any chance The only way you can defend your ignorant-ass thread is to say everyone who disagrees with you is Mexican. You are trash.

Yes there was go read the letter again and look at the decimal point there is an extra 0. It went from 0.6-0.8 to 0.06-.08ng. 1ng or lower is levels WADA consider low ultra trace amount and consistent with meat contamination. And Memo explained how it drops days later. My apologies, you are right, but in that time it should have cleared his body, considering he was also training, his metabolic rate should have cleared it more quickly than usual, still something very wrong, not adding up

I've heard it said that women think from their emotions but men think from their logic and facts. Well that's obviously not true else why do we need 100 threads saying the same thing when nobody knows if it was contaminated meat or not? Do they give livestock in Mexico clenbuterol? Well yes they do. Do that in Mexico.

The letter sent by VADA shows there was no drop in levels between the 2 tests, so how can that be Yes there was go read the letter again and look at the decimal point there is an extra 0. It went from 0.6-0.8 to 0.06-.08ng. 1ng or lower is levels WADA consider low ultra trace amount and consistent with meat contamination. And Memo explained how it drops days later.

That's a lie it doesn't leave your system in 36 hours. The NFL player who tested positive for this went to Mexico for 1 week vacation. Yet days after he was already back in the US he was drug tested and still had traces. Also the head of the WADA lab said the canelo test results including the drop in levels in the second test were consistent with meat contamination studies. Same also here is memo explaining it. https://www.am.com.mx/2018/03/07/general-nacional/deportes/por-este-motivo-habria-saul-alvarez-dado-positivo-en-clembuterol-443139-443139#ixzz59CFfL8SU The contamination of Saul Alvarez was due to consume meat, said Angel Guillermo Heredia. The physical trainer analyzed on his own the concentrations of clenbuterol that the "Canelo" threw in the voluntary tests carried out by the VADA (Voluntary Anti-Doping Association) on February 17 and 20 in Jalisco. The result for the Guadalajara man was 0.6 to 0.8 nanograms per milliliter in the first, and 0.06 to 0.08 in the second. "When doing a mathematical calculation, taking into account what is the half-life of clenbuterol, which is 36 hours, depends on the human being, the activity of the athlete or metabolism of the person, taking those factors, I made an exponential equation and I It gives me an accuracy of 99 percent that amount (of the 'Canelo') is according to consumption of contaminated meat. "In my opinion, neutral, and as a scientist and with morals, as a professional, with all the experience I have, it is practically due to contamination, since the levels of 'Canelo' are too low, what happens is that there are many problems of clenbuterol in Mexico, "Heredia added. "There are cases above 20 or 25, or up to 40 nanograms per milliliter, and they are clearly taking that substance as doping, and one point is that the tests were in Mexico, 'Canelo' ate that meat in Mexico." If today I took a pill, the minimum dose of clenbuterol, which is 0.02 milligrams, means that when I take that pill I will have an amount of 20 ng / ml in the urine, and after 36 hours I will have 10 ng / ml, and after another 36 hours I will have 5 thousand. Then, the "Canelo" had less than 1 ng / ml, and even lower 3 days later, so it goes according to what is metabolism of clenbuterol, it is nothing, and 'Canelo' for me is clean. The letter sent by VADA shows there was no drop in levels between the 2 tests, so how can that be

What do you think about 72 hours between the 2 tests without any drop in the clen levels in his body, considering they should have gone within 36 hours on average, or is that too logical for you to think about That's a lie it doesn't leave your system in 36 hours. The NFL player who tested positive for this went to Mexico for 1 week vacation. Yet days after he was already back in the US he was drug tested and still had traces. Also the head of the WADA lab said the canelo test results including the drop in levels in the second test were consistent with meat contamination studies. Same also here is memo explaining it. https://www.am.com.mx/2018/03/07/general-nacional/deportes/por-este-motivo-habria-saul-alvarez-dado-positivo-en-clembuterol-443139-443139#ixzz59CFfL8SU The contamination of Saul Alvarez was due to consume meat, said Angel Guillermo Heredia. The physical trainer analyzed on his own the concentrations of clenbuterol that the "Canelo" threw in the voluntary tests carried out by the VADA (Voluntary Anti-Doping Association) on February 17 and 20 in Jalisco. The result for the Guadalajara man was 0.6 to 0.8 nanograms per milliliter in the first, and 0.06 to 0.08 in the second. "When doing a mathematical calculation, taking into account what is the half-life of clenbuterol, which is 36 hours, depends on the human being, the activity of the athlete or metabolism of the person, taking those factors, I made an exponential equation and I It gives me an accuracy of 99 percent that amount (of the 'Canelo') is according to consumption of contaminated meat. "In my opinion, neutral, and as a scientist and with morals, as a professional, with all the experience I have, it is practically due to contamination, since the levels of 'Canelo' are too low, what happens is that there are many problems of clenbuterol in Mexico, "Heredia added. "There are cases above 20 or 25, or up to 40 nanograms per milliliter, and they are clearly taking that substance as doping, and one point is that the tests were in Mexico, 'Canelo' ate that meat in Mexico." If today I took a pill, the minimum dose of clenbuterol, which is 0.02 milligrams, means that when I take that pill I will have an amount of 20 ng / ml in the urine, and after 36 hours I will have 10 ng / ml, and after another 36 hours I will have 5 thousand. Then, the "Canelo" had less than 1 ng / ml, and even lower 3 days later, so it goes according to what is metabolism of clenbuterol, it is nothing, and 'Canelo' for me is clean.

stupid POS ducking boys. you guys fail at life and shold just off yourselves. i thought ward was ducking krusher? lol The exact level of intelligence I'd expect from a eunuch like you, if brains were dynamite, you wouldn't have enough to blow your nose, your old man should have pulled out and left you on the sheets

Pretty sure it was reported that the Feb 17th and Feb 20th were the first tests VADA conducted. Otherwise they would have reported that earlier tests were negative. That basically means VADA caught Canelo off guard, testing started a couple days earlier than expected, just off the PED cycle, Clenbuterol leaves your system after a couple days and cant be detected anymore outside of a hairtest. Exactly my point, the tests had 3 days between them, 72 hours, so how did he test positive on the 20th February with no drop in the levels in his body, he must have had more clen between the 2 tests

What do you think about 72 hours between the 2 tests without any drop in the clen levels in his body, considering they should have gone within 36 hours on average, or is that too logical for you to think about I agree with on this but the only thing I could say is, it would be beyond belief that he he could be so stupid as to get tested and then go pop again to keep the levels consistent... but I have been hearing about this 36hr and it’s cleared so somethin is suss

Yea nice you’d be all over that then lol but a lot ppl don’t seem to understand, you are responsible for what’s in your system it’s so simple.... tbh I sorta gave Browne the benifit of the doubt over the clen... he was testing clean all the way upto the fight and failed one test after the fight...in Chechnya I feel it was a bit suspect.... but the 2nd time GUILTY AF Again, your responsible for what you eat

Clenelo nuthuggers saying clenbuterol is not even PED. What a pathetic bunch they are :D It’s a ped but it is not a steroid, which make all this “juiced to the gills” a bit of nonsense .. but it’s still banned nonetheless so it doesn’t matter

I know all about it, I live in melbourne Yea nice you’d be all over that then lol but a lot ppl don’t seem to understand, you are responsible for what’s in your system it’s so simple.... tbh I sorta gave Browne the benifit of the doubt over the clen... he was testing clean all the way upto the fight and failed one test after the fight...in Chechnya I feel it was a bit suspect.... but the 2nd time GUILTY AF