If Golovkin retired today, would he be a HOFer?

Yeah, he is in.

No, I'm providing counter arguments. That's how debating works. Not throwing silly ad hominems like you do. His argument was that no unified middleweight champs with double digit defenses were not in the all of fame. Which means that, according to his criteria, AA and Sturm were one belt away from being HOFers. This also means that Golovkin became a HOF worhty the minute he beat David Lemieux. But Sturm and AA were not unified MW champs with double digit defences and Golovkin is.

You're not simply asking for opinions doe .. you're asking for opinions then trying to discredit them when they aren't the same as yours. Breadman knows more about the question you asked than you, me, or anybody else who's likely to contribute to this thread. But ok, pretend he doesn't know what he's talking about and that GGG is on the same level as Sturm or AA .. if that's what makes you happy. No, I'm providing counter arguments. That's how debating works. Not throwing silly ad hominems like you do. His argument was that no unified middleweight champs with double digit defenses were not in the all of fame. Which means that, according to his criteria, AA and Sturm were one belt away from being HOFers. This also means that Golovkin became a HOF worhty the minute he beat David Lemieux.

I'm simply asking opinions, I have mine and you're entitled to yours. So according to this guy, unifying and having a double digit number of defenses, no matter how obscure, is all it takes to be a HOFer. So I guess Felix Sturm and Arthur Arbraham were one belt short of getting inducted? gtfo You're not simply asking for opinions doe .. you're asking for opinions then trying to discredit them when they aren't the same as yours. Breadman knows more about the question you asked than you, me, or anybody else who's likely to contribute to this thread. But ok, pretend he doesn't know what he's talking about and that GGG is on the same level as Sturm or AA .. if that's what makes you happy.

Worse people have made it into a hall of fame at some point, wouldn't surprise me if he did get into 1 with what he's done already although that wouldn't necessarily mean much, the bar to get into a hof isn't exactly high compared to other sports.

Breadman has no connection with GGG and no personal feelings for him. He obviously has a lot of respect for Golovkin as a fighter and gets annoyed when idiots who DKSAB show disrespect in their emails. Simple as that. In his reply to the second questioner he says: "Why did you ask me if you have already have the answers?" Same thing applies to you. I'm simply asking opinions, I have mine and you're entitled to yours. So according to this guy, unifying and having a double digit number of defenses, no matter how obscure, is all it takes to be a HOFer. So I guess Felix Sturm and Arthur Arbraham were one belt short of getting inducted? gtfo

Why should I assume he's free of bias? I could tell by his irritated response that he has personal feelings for Golovkin. Breadman has no connection with GGG and no personal feelings for him. He obviously has a lot of respect for Golovkin as a fighter and gets annoyed when idiots who DKSAB show disrespect in their emails. Simple as that. In his reply to the second questioner he says: "Why did you ask me if you have already have the answers?" Same thing applies to you.

Breadman Edwards has been asked this question more than once in his Daily bread mailbag. Here's what he had to say about it: Question: Golovkin is my favorite current fighter. Do you think he is already an HoF? If not, do you think a victory in the Canelo rematch takes him over? Bread’s Response: Yes GGG is already a HOF. He unified in an era where most don’t. He is also approaching 20 title defenses. Most thought he won his career defining fight vs Canelo. He’s not an all time great yet but he is a HOF. I wish he had more time because it seems as though the young wolves are lurking for him at this point. https://www.boxingscene.com/daily-bread-mailbag-loma-rigo-golovkin-cotto-roy-jones-more--123234 Question: Is GGG a Hall of Famer? I think not lol. Bread’s Response: Why did you ask me if you have already have the answers. Yes he’s a Hall of Famer and so is his coach Abel Sanchez. One thing I can’t stand is an idiot fan boy with no respect for boxers. Stop asking me the same question over and over expecting to get a different answer. No unified middleweight champion ever with double digit title defenses is NOT in the HOF. GGG deserves to be there because of that alone. Don’t disrespect him in my mailbag again or I will give the fans your email so they can troll you. https://www.boxingscene.com/daily-bread-mailbag-stevenson-jack-joshua-parker-spence--123926 Breadman knows what he's tallking about.. Hey Robbie .. were you the "idiot fanboy" he was replying to there? Why should I assume he's free of bias? I could tell by his irritated response that he has personal feelings for Golovkin.

Just read another d1cksucking thread from DramaShow who seems to believe GGG is a HOFer already. What's your opinion on this? Would he be a first ballot hall of famer if he retired today? Best wins Jacobs and Brook, HOF worthy? I think not. :rofl: Then again Vitali Klitschko got in.......... popularity contest. Breadman Edwards has been asked this question more than once in his Daily bread mailbag. Here's what he had to say about it: Question: Golovkin is my favorite current fighter. Do you think he is already an HoF? If not, do you think a victory in the Canelo rematch takes him over? Bread’s Response: Yes GGG is already a HOF. He unified in an era where most don’t. He is also approaching 20 title defenses. Most thought he won his career defining fight vs Canelo. He’s not an all time great yet but he is a HOF. I wish he had more time because it seems as though the young wolves are lurking for him at this point. https://www.boxingscene.com/daily-bread-mailbag-loma-rigo-golovkin-cotto-roy-jones-more--123234 Question: Is GGG a Hall of Famer? I think not lol. Bread’s Response: Why did you ask me if you have already have the answers. Yes he’s a Hall of Famer and so is his coach Abel Sanchez. One thing I can’t stand is an idiot fan boy with no respect for boxers. Stop asking me the same question over and over expecting to get a different answer. No unified middleweight champion ever with double digit title defenses is NOT in the HOF. GGG deserves to be there because of that alone. Don’t disrespect him in my mailbag again or I will give the fans your email so they can troll you. https://www.boxingscene.com/daily-bread-mailbag-stevenson-jack-joshua-parker-spence--123926 Breadman knows what he's tallking about.. Hey Robbie .. were you the "idiot fanboy" he was replying to there?

complete unification warrants it a claim to it, and hes only missing wbo. and lineal. Just that rematch is all he needs.

https://goo.gl/images/bw7Hh8

Remember that you can't spell Coward without Ward. that pathetic response is all you have?

you dont need to show me anything...i already know this and what happened loeffler knew that ward wouldnt be at 168 in 2017.......ward also told them they could fight lemiuex(that was 2015) and that they would fight in 2016......that year golovkin fought a welterweight and dom wade so he was so shook to lose to ward and lose the canelo fight that he passed....is what you are admitting......ward was scared of nothing Remember that you can't spell Coward without Ward.

"Loeffler said his emailed reply to Ward's camp was that if Ward was still at 168 pounds in early 2017, Golovkin would be pleased to consider the bout at that point." "Loeffler said the Roc Nation email was received hours after he'd already announced Golovkin's fight with Lemieux at Madison Square Garden, with Roc Nation aware the World Boxing Council designated Golovkin (33-0, 30 knockouts) the mandatory challenger to a then-pending Miguel Cotto-Saul "Canelo" Alvarez title bout that will be fought Nov. 21. Roc Nation promotes Cotto. Landing that bout, Loeffler said, would be far more lucrative than a fight against Ward, and if Golovkin could beat both Lemieux and the Cotto-Alvarez winner, Loeffler said his focus for Golovkin would be to unify the middleweight division, with Andy Lee currently possessing the World Boxing Organization belt." you dont need to show me anything...i already know this and what happened loeffler knew that ward wouldnt be at 168 in 2017.......ward also told them they could fight lemiuex(that was 2015) and that they would fight in 2016......that year golovkin fought a welterweight and dom wade so he was so shook to lose to ward and lose the canelo fight that he passed....is what you are admitting......ward was scared of nothing

i didnt say nothing.....in fact i said exactly how i feel and told the truth you went from denying ward ever even contacted k2 to changing your story and now saying "he wanted you to believe he wanted but knew it wouldnt happen" how would ward know it wouldnt happen? he contacted them and they didnt even consider it...shot it down in less than an hour...k2 didnt even say "let us think about it" or "hey we would think about it but were gonna have to look at the terms we think we are the bigger draw here"...none of that...just a flat out "NO" you want to believe ward didnt want it...but the facts are he checked them....they denied it....not the other way around...thats just fact....but you are living in fantasy land over there my dislike is objective...hes resume stinks and when he finally stepped up his comp level he wasnt some ATG killer his fans wanted him to be when he had no big fights and nothing on his resume he ducked a fight with a top 5 p4p guy so he could chase a guy coming up in weight.... ya i do think golovkin is overrated.....so what? "Loeffler said his emailed reply to Ward's camp was that if Ward was still at 168 pounds in early 2017, Golovkin would be pleased to consider the bout at that point." "Loeffler said the Roc Nation email was received hours after he'd already announced Golovkin's fight with Lemieux at Madison Square Garden, with Roc Nation aware the World Boxing Council designated Golovkin (33-0, 30 knockouts) the mandatory challenger to a then-pending Miguel Cotto-Saul "Canelo" Alvarez title bout that will be fought Nov. 21. Roc Nation promotes Cotto. Landing that bout, Loeffler said, would be far more lucrative than a fight against Ward, and if Golovkin could beat both Lemieux and the Cotto-Alvarez winner, Loeffler said his focus for Golovkin would be to unify the middleweight division, with Andy Lee currently possessing the World Boxing Organization belt."

Ok so you typed a lot of words and said nothing. You dislike him because you think he's overrated , ok but you do recognize you have a fixation with him? You're trying to act like your hate is objective and has reason. You act like ward makes his career and the idea of that is rediculous. He brought nothing to the table and truly believed he was a-side who should dictate the terms. He made idiots like you believe he wanted the fight but in reality he knew it wasn't gonna happen. Ward was clear b-side and he refused to accept this. i didnt say nothing.....in fact i said exactly how i feel and told the truth you went from denying ward ever even contacted k2 to changing your story and now saying "he wanted you to believe he wanted but knew it wouldnt happen" how would ward know it wouldnt happen? he contacted them and they didnt even consider it...shot it down in less than an hour...k2 didnt even say "let us think about it" or "hey we would think about it but were gonna have to look at the terms we think we are the bigger draw here"...none of that...just a flat out "NO" you want to believe ward didnt want it...but the facts are he checked them....they denied it....not the other way around...thats just fact....but you are living in fantasy land over there my dislike is objective...hes resume stinks and when he finally stepped up his comp level he wasnt some ATG killer his fans wanted him to be when he had no big fights and nothing on his resume he ducked a fight with a top 5 p4p guy so he could chase a guy coming up in weight.... ya i do think golovkin is overrated.....so what?

If you knew what you were talking about you wouldn't be asking. :dunce: Ok why not just prove it?

So you don't even know the facts but claiming Ward was pricing himself out. :rofl: What an idiot. You made a claim i asked for some evidence to support it

I doubt it. If he beats Canelo and then BJS for full unification then I could see him getting in.

I would say yes. The man was the unified MW champion and defended his belt over 15 times (I don't remember the exact number).