Boxing would be much better off if all fighters were like Wilder,Brook

Oh for sure. I was more excited for that fight than any other fight last year because a fight like that is so rare. Total props to Kell. But I think we both know if there'd been a vacant title available at 154 or a quick path to a belt there, he probably doesn't make that defense against Spence. Maybe but I'm not so sure I mean look at Wilder he has a thousand reasons not to take this fight(and good ones)I will give Spence the benefit of the doulbt because remember he also jumped 2 div to fight GGG now that was a good money fight(not great) but a lot of guys still would not have done that.

Either way we both know most fighters would have not fought Spence.ESP when he knew he was not staying at 47. Oh for sure. I was more excited for that fight than any other fight last year because a fight like that is so rare. Total props to Kell. But I think we both know if there'd been a vacant title available at 154 or a quick path to a belt there, he probably doesn't make that defense against Spence.

Yes, that is part of the problem. But another issue is that with the sport so fragmented, it's so hard to get back in the mix. Brook is moving to 154. Haymon controls all of the belts except the WBO. It's not like Brook is going to go try to become a mandatory and get 25% in a purse bid. So his only option is to try to over pay Golden Boy for Ali's belt. A very expensive proposition, if Golden Boy is even willing to do it. Honestly, I think that's part of why Brook even took the risk against Spence. If he had an easy route to a 154 pound belt, maybe he would have vacated. With no easy route to a 154 pound belt win or lose, that could have been a factor in why he took the chance against Spence. At least it got him a nice payday. Either way we both know most fighters would have not fought Spence.ESP when he knew he was not staying at 47.

Not really no one even expected Brook to fight Spence and Wilder has signed to fight two top 5 guys before this(pov,ortiz)and now signed to fight him again when he had VERY GOOD reasons not too.And as far as him having 32 fights before he fought a top 10 guy is more about him only having 25 Am fights and only boxing since he was 19. He had no where to run to but Spence, that was his mandatory. Put Povetkin and Ortiz on his resume, that’s 2 fighters in 40 fights/10 years.... yeah

It can be looked at both ways, it took heavy criticism for both of them to actually fight a live opponent, both build up a resume of no one going past 35-0 without too many risks, compared to their rivals. So yeah it’s a double edged sword. Not really no one even expected Brook to fight Spence and Wilder has signed to fight two top 5 guys before this(pov,ortiz)and now signed to fight him again when he had VERY GOOD reasons not too.And as far as him having 32 fights before he fought a top 10 guy is more about him only having 25 Am fights and only boxing since he was 19.

A big reason for that is all the fans that sh ite on a guy for losing to another top fighter.I put them in same category as fanboys. Yes, that is part of the problem. But another issue is that with the sport so fragmented, it's so hard to get back in the mix. Brook is moving to 154. Haymon controls all of the belts except the WBO. It's not like Brook is going to go try to become a mandatory and get 25% in a purse bid. So his only option is to try to over pay Golden Boy for Ali's belt. A very expensive proposition, if Golden Boy is even willing to do it. Honestly, I think that's part of why Brook even took the risk against Spence. If he had an easy route to a 154 pound belt, maybe he would have vacated. With no easy route to a 154 pound belt win or lose, that could have been a factor in why he took the chance against Spence. At least it got him a nice payday.

Funny coming from a disgusting fangirl like you :D Your punk azz keyboard tough guy go and try an fool someone else.

Why did Wilder duck a big money fight with Dylan White then? And he refuses to fight Joshua unless it's 50/50? At 20% he'll still make more than he's been used to making. No fighter ducks big money fight, eh? Dude you are beyond help.Yea Wilder ducks Whyte???????Not one person on here would have rated Whyte higher then Ortiz before Wilder signed to fight him now all the fanboys are out in full force trying to put down Ortiz in case Wilder beats him.And just said he will take less then 50/50 he just wants Joshua to take same deal in rematch if you lose.And NO ONE on Wilder team said 50/50 Wilder saying means nothing.And have you ever bought a car or anything you don't start out at what you think you will get its like Parker wanting 40% I told every one then he was just tryiong to get to 30%.And he did and same with Wilder there just trying to get close to 35-40.

You looking In mirror right now? Funny coming from a disgusting fangirl like you :D

It can be looked at both ways, it took heavy criticism for both of them to actually fight a live opponent, both build up a resume of no one going past 35-0 without too many risks, compared to their rivals. So yeah it’s a double edged sword.

Give the man a break. He displayed the championship heart, intestinal fortitude and courage to step back to back in the ring against two of the most avoided fighters in the world in GGG and Spence. Doesn't he deserve a cherry pick after that ordeal and nearly losing the sight out both of his eyes in the process also? That's makes sence.So not too many on here will get that.

Yes, this is a great point. But fighters are going to look at what happened to Brook and realize he should have vacated. If Wilder gets upset tomorrow, fighters are going to look at how his career crumbles and realize they shouldn't face such tough fighters in a voluntary. You are 100% correct. Boxing would be much better off if all fighters were like Wilder or Brook, but fighters watch the landscape and realize it's a bad idea for them to be like that. A big reason for that is all the fans that sh ite on a guy for losing to another top fighter.I put them in same category as fanboys.

Nuthugger spotted, you fangirls are all the same. You looking In mirror right now?

Both these guys went OUT OF THEIR WAY to fight guys NO ONE wanted to fight.And both did not have to.Ortiz has been ducked by every one(including Joshua/Hearn)And Brook could have easily just gone to 154 after GGG fight.Matter a fact BOTH were advised by their promoters to fight someone else.Name another fighter who took on the toughest fight without it either being a mandatory or the biggest money fight(NO FIGHHTER DUCKS the BIG MONEY fight).Anybody who don't like/root for these two guys are fanboys of fighters who could fight/lose to one of them.Just wanting to test themselves with against the BEST POSSIBLE wish we had 100 more like them. Why did Wilder duck a big money fight with Dylan White then? And he refuses to fight Joshua unless it's 50/50? At 20% he'll still make more than he's been used to making. No fighter ducks big money fight, eh?

Brook fought 2 mandated fights in 2 yrs while trying to unify with Vargas and getting a $$$ fight v May, Cotto, or Khan. Wilder has never fought a mandate and is fighting a 40 yo in full detox from yrs of steroid abuse. Ortiz nads r probably the size of peas about now Punchers chance. But his legs are as bad as Wilders

That's your opinion. Not every boxing fan thinks the same as you and that doesn't make them fanboys. I don't like either of them very much. They both brag too much. Wilder is fighting a worthy challenger now and that is good for him. But what about all the cherry pick title defenses he made against unworthy challengers? Do you call Brook's next fight a tough fight? I don't think it's a tough fight. I call it a cherry pick to make Brook look good with a KO win. Both Brook and Wilder are good fighters but neither is a favorite of mine. If that makes me a fanboy then so be it. Wilders signed up to fight povetkin and Ortiz twice and Brooks coming off two fights where he got his faced broke.Who the he ll would fight another tough one right away.And you don't have to like them you don't have to root for them but if you don't respect them then your have an agenda and are prob a fanboy

Both these guys went OUT OF THEIR WAY to fight guys NO ONE wanted to fight.And both did not have to.Ortiz has been ducked by every one(including Joshua/Hearn)And Brook could have easily just gone to 154 after GGG fight.Matter a fact BOTH were advised by their promoters to fight someone else.Name another fighter who took on the toughest fight without it either being a mandatory or the biggest money fight(NO FIGHHTER DUCKS the BIG MONEY fight).Anybody who don't like/root for these two guys are fanboys of fighters who could fight/lose to one of them.Just wanting to test themselves with against the BEST POSSIBLE wish we had 100 more like them. Kell is one bad a$$ dude, IMO. He not only stepped to 3G, breaks half his damn face, then jumps back down 2 divisions to face another boogeyman in Errol, and broke the other half! That’s a effing warrior! Titanium warrior I should say. Props to Wilder as well. Not like peeps are lining up to meet him in the squared circle

Both these guys went OUT OF THEIR WAY to fight guys NO ONE wanted to fight. Yes, this is a great point. But fighters are going to look at what happened to Brook and realize he should have vacated. If Wilder gets upset tomorrow, fighters are going to look at how his career crumbles and realize they shouldn't face such tough fighters in a voluntary. You are 100% correct. Boxing would be much better off if all fighters were like Wilder or Brook, but fighters watch the landscape and realize it's a bad idea for them to be like that.

Both these guys went OUT OF THEIR WAY to fight guys NO ONE wanted to fight.And both did not have to.Ortiz has been ducked by every one(including Joshua/Hearn)And Brook could have easily just gone to 154 after GGG fight.Matter a fact BOTH were advised by their promoters to fight someone else.Name another fighter who took on the toughest fight without it either being a mandatory or the biggest money fight(NO FIGHHTER DUCKS the BIG MONEY fight).Anybody who don't like/root for these two guys are fanboys of fighters who could fight/lose to one of them.Just wanting to test themselves with against the BEST POSSIBLE wish we had 100 more like them. Nuthugger spotted, you fangirls are all the same.

That's your opinion. Not every boxing fan thinks the same as you and that doesn't make them fanboys. I don't like either of them very much. They both brag too much. Do you call Brook's next fight a tough fight? I don't think it's a tough fight. I call it a cherry pick to make Brook look good with a KO win. Both Brook and Wilder are good fighters but neither is a favorite of mine. If that makes me a fanboy then so be it.Give the man a break. He displayed the championship heart, intestinal fortitude and courage to step back to back in the ring against two of the most avoided fighters in the world in GGG and Spence. Doesn't he deserve a cherry pick after that ordeal and nearly losing the sight out both of his eyes in the process also?