Wladimir Klitschko is a top 10 ATG Heavyweight.

I think Heavyweight more than any I tend to measure relative to their era's when assessing them in a historical sense. Now, Wlad didn't have another truly elite level Heavyweight with which to test himself with during his time apart from his brother so that can make it difficult but given that he had three fairly bad KO losses and two of those as a seasoned championship level fighter it's got to be held a little against him somewhat. I can't see him in the top 10, but I think top 15 sounds about right. To me it doesn't sound right putting him ahead of Lewis, Holyfield and Tyson just to name some modern heavyweight greats.

In recent years I have had him in the 10-15 range and I don't see a reason to change that. He doesn't have a great resume, he has great longevity and that is the basis of why I have him historically very high, but not in my top 10. Realistically I think you could make an argument for him anywhere from 6-20.

It would depend...I've had him top 15 for a while and probably keep him there, to be top 10, he'd somehow have to supersede one of the guys I have from 8-10, I don't think that's possible. A win over AJ, in THAT type of fight could have done it, but he ended up losing. He is certainly the greatest heavyweight of the 21st century though.

I'm grateful to the brothers for bringing order to the post-Lewis era but the criticism of Wladimir is that he lacked any signature wins. I'd argue that those bouts did take place at the end, and that he lost them. To Fury and Joshua.

Maybe even to 5 tbh. I think more like top 20.

IMO he isn't. If you feel he is, fine with me.

Vitali gives ANY heavyweight from ANY era hell and beats a lot/most of them, where as Wlad imo loses to...jack Johnson, Joe Louis, Ali, Liston, Frazier, Norton, Holmes, Foreman, shavers, Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe, Tyson and Vitali.... Now back to Wlad... you realize a journeyman named Ross Purity knocked him out right? Than a couple nobodies named Lamon Brewster & Corrie Sanders. Pick one. Jack Johnson lost by KO to a guy with 5-2 record. Who went on to have a 24-11. Norton lost by KO to a 12-2 fighter. A journeyman at best. Shavers lost by KO to a fighter ending up having a 38-21 record. Didn't Lewis lose to McCall? Tyson - Douglas?

He’s the definition of a Euro Trash boxer, right next to Calzaghe. They are complete opposites. Wlad, arguably the most overrated champion in history while Vitali one of the toughest. Wlad has 0 heart. As Roy Jones would say “he’s like a pit bull that can’t fight off the bottom” meaning Wlad can dish out punishment but as soon as he gets it he folds. Wlad gets stopped, claims his opponent drugged his water...Vitali gets stppped, he runs around screaming at the ref begging him to let him continue. On paper and to casuals, like You, he was 10x better... factually, Vitali would of killed him in 3 rounds. Vitali gives ANY heavyweight from ANY era hell and beats a lot/most of them, where as Wlad imo loses to...jack Johnson, Joe Louis, Ali, Liston, Frazier, Norton, Holmes, Foreman, shavers, Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe, Tyson and Vitali.... that’s just off the top of my head probably missed another 5 at least. P4P you could make a list of about 25 guys clearly more skilled than Wlad. I disagree. I don't think guys like prime Tyson, Frazier, or Foreman beat wlad. When it comes to skills he is a top 5 HW

And I'm not talking about none of that sh^t. Let me say that again cuz you aren't getting it. I'm not talking about none of that paragraph you just said. I don't know why you keep bringing it up like I said I'm for or against your specific opinions about f#cking Ross Purity lmfao. I'm saying All Time Great is some goofy a$$ fantasy bs that very few mfers on this planet are able to comment on without looking like a sh^thead cuz they've seen minimal fights of the All Time Greats in the ring. Think of it like this if you only saw 3 of Mike Tyson's fights (& lets assume for w/e reason there was no way to see all the rest of his fights) you might consider him the #1 All Time if they were the right three fights or you might consider him garbage if they were the wrong three fights. Thats like what mfers are doing with these old timey cats who barely got fights to watch & most of the sh^theads who LOVE commenting on All Time Great stuff rarely seem to actually have seen these fights to begin with. And then on top of that how the eff are you even measuring a guy from 100 years ago vs a guy from 20 years ago & all the different eras in between or the guys now even if you could see all their fights? The sport was different. There was different rules. Different scoring. Different a lot of things. Its a bunch of sci fi fantasy nonsense to compare people from 100 years apart. Completely agree Most people's opinions on ATG-rankings are worth less than nothing For your opinion to mean something, you'd have to be a real boxing connoisseur...

So you're basing your opinion on Jack Johnson on docs lmfao. Okayyyyyy. I guess you are a expert on Johnson than :dance: You guys are so c#ocky about your knowledge about great fighters or so fast to wanna measure great mens dicks you can't even have grasp you've barely seen these mfers fight & trying to fathom what a guy from the 1910's would do vs a guy from the 1980's or 2000's or whenever is just some B movie ridiculousness that cracks me up cuz you guys are f#cking children thinking about this all time great sci fi bullsh^t. I said Wlad is a heartless bum with no chin and would get beat by Jack Johnson and Sonny Liston. I based this on the fact that Ross Purity, Corrie Sanders, Lamon Brewster & Tyson Fury whooped Wlad’s behind... 3 of those guys stopped him. By disagreeing with me you are arguing that Ross Purity, Sanders, brewster & Fury we’re capable of feats in the ring that Jack Johnson & Liston couldn’t and that is simply ludicrous.

World records for speed and strength have been demolished over the last century. Athletes are better athletes than ever before. That has to play a role in things. I mean, lets get real, Jack Johnson was a touch over 6' and weighed just over 200lbs... We must judge boxers in their context. Anyway, ATG lists are purely hypothetical and highly subjective, which is why I don't care too much to rank boxers from different eras. You can argue 'til the cows come home, it's still just an opinion

How many are on Youtube? Including footage of him fighting in documentaries on him enough to see he’d spark Wlad, THE SAME WAY ROSS PURITY DID, AND THE SAME WAY CORRIE SANDERS AND LAMON BREWSTER DID. Are you still arguing that Ross Purity could accomplish something in the ring that Jack Johnson and Sonny Liston could not? Do you even know what boxing is?

I think you cats who talk about "all time great" & have seen minimal fights of great fighters (cuz they don't or barely even exist in many cases) disrespect the fighters & the sport. You’re the definition of a casual. You are attempting to argue that -Ross Purity (a journeyman with 13 loses that sparked Wlad out) Corrie sanders, Lamon Brewster & tyson fury are p4p better than Jack Johnson and Sonny Liston. LOL A+ troll thread! Ross Purity, Corrie Sanders, Lamon Brewster and Tyson Fury whooped Wlad but Jack Johnson and Sonny Liston wouldn’t??? Dude just stop, you’re a clown. If this forum was taken seriously mods would ban people like you. I still can’t believe Ross Purity stopped Wlad but you claim Jack Johnson and Sonny Liston wouldn’t... LOLOLOL

According to boxrec Vladimir is currently ranked as the 5th best heavyweight in history. He's definitely inside the top ten.

Wlad didn't fold against Joshua .......... He have never been knocked out cold, he keep getting back up. His courage and heart is undisputed. P4P you can make a list of probably 25 guys more skilled than Tyson. Heavyweights are not as skilled as the lower weights with the exception of maybe Ali. I do not believe, if you took the focused, dedicated, cus d’amato/Kevin Rooney trained tyson of 1985-88 and nothing beyond 1988 that you could find 25 other heavyweights that were that skilled. Did he ultimately have a great career? No not really, but that tyson from 1985-88 was the definition of skill. Head movement, footwork, speed,power,chin,heart etc.. Now back to Wlad... you realize a journeyman named Ross Purity knocked him out right? Than a couple nobodies named Lamon Brewster & Corrie Sanders. Wlad has ZERO heart. Guys with heart protest EVERY stoppage, they YELL and SCREAM at the referee begging for more. They BEG they’re corner not to stop it... do me a favour and link me 1 clip of Wlad jumping around, yelling, screaming begging the ref and his corner to let it continue... according to you he’s never been out cold meaning you should be sending me clips of him in the Joshua, sanders, brewster and Purrity fights... if he’s not yelling, screaming, running around begging the ref and his corner to continue LIKE VITALI DID WHEN FIGHT WITH LEWIS WAS STOPPED THEN HE HAS NO HEART. That’s heart. Hurt, covered in blood, SCREAMING for more. Trust me bro, I’ve seen all the above mentioned fights and NOT 1 TIME DID WLAD YELL, SCREAM, PROTEST AND RUN AROUND BEGGING FOR MORE. He had zero heart, he’d sit there and make excuses.

How many Jack Johnson fights have you seen? How many Sonny Listen fights? Every single one on YouTube. And its Liston not “listen”. And if Corrie Sanders & Lamon Brewster can knock him out and TYSON FURY can outbox him, I can say with absolute certainty that Liston & Johnson would have done the same. Wlad had 0 heart & no chin... 2 prerequisites of fighting in the heavyweight division. Effectively you are arguing lamon brewster, Corrie Sanders & tyson fury are better then Jack Johnson and Sonny Liston. Please stop, you are disrespecting the sport.

He’s the definition of a Euro Trash boxer, right next to Calzaghe. They are complete opposites. Wlad, arguably the most overrated champion in history while Vitali one of the toughest. Wlad has 0 heart. As Roy Jones would say “he’s like a pit bull that can’t fight off the bottom” meaning Wlad can dish out punishment but as soon as he gets it he folds. Wlad gets stopped, claims his opponent drugged his water...Vitali gets stppped, he runs around screaming at the ref begging him to let him continue. On paper and to casuals, like You, he was 10x better... factually, Vitali would of killed him in 3 rounds. Vitali gives ANY heavyweight from ANY era hell and beats a lot/most of them, where as Wlad imo loses to...jack Johnson, Joe Louis, Ali, Liston, Frazier, Norton, Holmes, Foreman, shavers, Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe, Tyson and Vitali.... that’s just off the top of my head probably missed another 5 at least. P4P you could make a list of about 25 guys clearly more skilled than Wlad. Wlad didn't fold against Joshua .......... He have never been knocked out cold, he keep getting back up. His courage and heart is undisputed. P4P you can make a list of probably 25 guys more skilled than Tyson. Heavyweights are not as skilled as the lower weights with the exception of maybe Ali.

what would be your top 10? 1- Muhammad Ali 2-Joe Louis 3 to 10 becomes very debatable. Lewis, Holyfield,Tyson,Foreman,Holmes,Wladimir,Frazier,Liston, Johnson for various reasons can all be ranked ahead of each other. Hence why I say there is no debate really for Wlad being top 10. You can realistically even get him as high as third and still have a reasonable debate on why he's better than everyone outside of Ali and Louis.

His body of work clearly makes him top 10 and I don't think there's much debate. He’s the definition of a Euro Trash boxer, right next to Calzaghe. They are complete opposites. Wlad, arguably the most overrated champion in history while Vitali one of the toughest. Wlad has 0 heart. As Roy Jones would say “he’s like a pit bull that can’t fight off the bottom” meaning Wlad can dish out punishment but as soon as he gets it he folds. Wlad gets stopped, claims his opponent drugged his water...Vitali gets stppped, he runs around screaming at the ref begging him to let him continue. On paper and to casuals, like You, he was 10x better... factually, Vitali would of killed him in 3 rounds. Vitali gives ANY heavyweight from ANY era hell and beats a lot/most of them, where as Wlad imo loses to...jack Johnson, Joe Louis, Ali, Liston, Frazier, Norton, Holmes, Foreman, shavers, Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe, Tyson and Vitali.... that’s just off the top of my head probably missed another 5 at least. P4P you could make a list of about 25 guys clearly more skilled than Wlad.

Top 20........