How would a prime Roy Jones Jr do in today's stacked light heavyweight division?

and what opponents have biterbiev and gvozdyk faced to suggest they would beat roy? define "expose" because we're on different pages now. if griffin exposed roy he would've won the rematch. period. exposed to me means you have your opponent measured and figured out. a good example is marquez vs pacquiao. marquez had manny figured out. that KO punch he landed was choreographed through his whole camp and the exact sequence happened. thats exposed. and roy also schooled toney who is light years ahead of any LHW today in terms of technical skill. james toney beats the dog sht out of gvozdyk. biterbiev in front of roy will look like he stuck in quicksand. he slow as a snail roy will light him up like a christmas tree. you put this on a poll and roy will win a landslide. from 93 to around 2004 roy was arguably the greatest boxer in history. I would pick him to beat anybody I dont care what era it is. ppl say he just relied on athleticism and lacked technical skills. well maybe you should not define "technical skills" as jab jab right hand. lebron james also relies heavily on athleticism and hes arguably the most complete ballplayer in history. you can say tim duncan was "technically" better as far as fundamentals but put them head to head match up and lebron smokes him. roy jones is lebron. gvozdyk is not even a tim duncan cuz he hasn't accomplished sht. gvozdyk at this point is just chris dudley (google him). and biterbiev with his slow ass wont land a damn thing. he will look just like john ruiz his arms will look like they weigh 500 pounds. watch this video in its entirety >>> https://youtu.be/OBYxHoBmzls 1) In regards to what opponents biterbiev and gvozdyk have faced to suggest they would beat roy. Their opponents isn't what suggests they can beat Roy Jones Jr. What suggests they can beat Roy Jones Jr are their styles. Roy Jones Jr had sufficient enough difficulties against a relatively poor athlete but a supremely skilled technical boxer in Mike McCallum, despite Mike McCallum being near the age of 40 and clearly past his best. And although Roy Jones Jr was past his best against Antonio Tarver, it's difficult to ignore the difficulties that Roy Jones Jr had against a somewhat rudimentary jab and outside boxing game of Tarver. And Antonio Tarver, despite being technically very sound, is nowhere near as athletic as Oleksandr Gvozdyk. In Oleksandr Gvozdyk, prime Roy Jones Jr faces someone who is in his prime that is more technical than any prime boxer he faced. Plus has the added athleticism combined with the technical skills which makes him a nightmare match up for Roy Jones Jr from what I see. If Roy Jones Jr struggles as much against technically sound boxers that are not very athletic, but have a decent enough jab, have a sufficiently long enough reach and are taller. What makes you think someone who has all of those attributes in addition to also being athletic, will be a very easy opponent for Roy Jones Jr? Even if you think Roy Jones Jr wins, it is totally outside of Roy Jones Jr's feats to suggest he would ever have an 'easy' time against Oleksandr Gvozdyk. As for Artur Beterbiev, Roy Jones Jr would have a higher chance of beating Beterbiev in my opinion than Gvozdyk. However, it's debatable if Roy Jones Jr even has the punching power to deter Beterbiev as much as he has been able to against other opponents because Beterbiev has taken punches from natural cruiser weights without even coming close to getting stopped and is an extremely big light heavyweight in size. Much bigger in size than Roy Jones Jr. I simply see this as a stylistic problem for Roy Jones Jr. Artur Beterbiev, even if he's slightly slower than Roy Jones Jr, is anything but slow. He has very explosive punches. He is very good at cutting the ring off. Every punch he throws lands with power and he has good punch variation. Roy Jones Jr has already been hit by lesser boxers and less powerful boxers than Artur Beterbiev. He was able to take those punches because those boxers don't punch anywhere near as powerfully as Artur Beterbiev. If those other boxers like Montell Griffin have been able to lay their hands on a prime Roy Jones Jr, then so can Artur Beterbiev and the difference is, Beterbiev's punches are going to inflict far greater damage than the punches Roy Jones Jr took from the likes of Montell Griffin. 2) In regards to how I define the word 'expose'. For me, if a boxer gets beaten for a specific period of time and is forced to adjust to win or is unable to adjust. Then that boxer is 'exposed', even if temporarily. Sure, Roy Jones Jr adjusted and beat Montell Griffin in the end but he clearly had difficulties in the early rounds of the first bout = exposed during those rounds. 3) In regards to Roy Jones Jr beating a technical boxer in James Toney and your assumption that James Toney would beat the 'dog sht' out of Oleksandr Gvozdyk. - Firstly, even if we assume that James Toney would be favored to beat Gvozdyk, such triangular reasoning is not always valid and sound. This is a head to head match up between Gvozdyk and Roy Jones Jr and they have to be analyzed based on their own styles. - James Toney may have been a more skilled technical boxer than Roy Jones Jr. However, he was also flawed because he also does things (usually successfully) that are fundamentally incorrect. Such as keeping his left hand low very often. And he is also not an outside boxer that has a very good jab. Those are the attributes that Roy Jones Jr has shown problems against. 4) In regards to people saying Roy Jones jr being someone who just relied on athleticism and lacked technical skills. And that maybe I should not define "technical skills" as jab jab right hand. Roy Jones Jr did indeed rely almost exclusively on his athleticism. That much is a fact! As for technical skills and how it's defined, it's boxing in a scientific way that enables a boxer to have effective defence and offense, without them needing any extraordinary speed, reflexes, balance, agility and etc. (all of which Roy Jones Jr possessed over pretty much every opponent he faced in his prime). Remove those attributes from Roy Jones Jr, did he show anything in his repertoire that indicates he would be successful defensively and offensively without those 'athletic attributes'? Absolutely not! Hence the reason why he has been losing since his late 30's to boxers he wasn't losing to prior to his late 30's. 5) As for your basketball analogies. I don't watch basketball. I haven't watched a single full basketball match live so I can't gain any understanding from those basketball analogies.

Jones beats them all fairly easily IMO. Gvozdyk I think has the potential to be a really, really good fighter and a stand out for this generation but Jones would probably rank among the top 5 fighters of the last 30 years (I'd rate him probably #2 behind Whitaker). I wasn't a fan of his but it's a shame he's dismissed because of the way his career went post-Tarver II. When I think of light heavyweights that I could beat Jones in mythical matches I'm thinking Foster, Spinks, Charles, Moore, Conn. There's nobody that's been close to that level in a long time.

yeah he'd have beaten roy whenever they fought. You saw the gap in quality between them during their 2008 fight. They were both old, roy had slipped more admittedly but joe would have always had his number. Haha! I thought it was you. Okay, that's all I wanted to know. Your opinion is completely null and void to me. You don't know anything about Roy. In fact, you don't actually know that much about Joe. Run along.

1) I never claimed or insinuated that Montell Griffin was ever a 'bum'. I have a very strict definition for what constitutes as a bum (BELOW - USABLE - MEASURE) to me. That is: a boxer with less than 12 fights or boxer with 12 or more bouts with 25% losses out of their win/loss career record. So it was actually to the contrary. I was actually making the point that Montell Griffin was one of the only few boxers Roy Jones Jr ever boxed against that was technically and fundamentally sound from a boxing skills perspective. 2) Roy Jones Jr did get 'exposed'. Even though he made adjustments later on and then managed to beat Montell Griffin. He was losing the early rounds and subsequently had his weaknesses exposed (technical deficiencies). However, he also exposed his own advantages (athletic attributes) that enabled him to eventually defeat Montell Griffin. This is merely constructive criticism without any bias or hate. 3) Roy Jones Jr has beaten no opponent in his career to suggest he can easily, if at all beat the likes of Artur Beterbiev or Oleksandr Gvozdyk. Simply because, Roy Jones Jr has never proven himself by beating opponents with styles that Artur Beterbiev and Oleksandr Gvozdyk use, along with other attributes they possess at light heavyweight. Roy Jones Jr never faced or beat an opponent with the punching power of Artur Beterbiev that was in his prime. Nor did Roy Jones Jr ever beat an opponent in his prime who is as fundamentally sound, fluid, rangy, as good an out-boxer, as good a lateral and in and out mover as Oleksandr Gvozdyk. Thus, Roy Jones Jr is untested and nothing can be used as a basis / foundation to conclude that he would have much of an easy time against those aforementioned boxers. History has proven that most of the time, a boxer who is an athletic + technician hybrid (a boxer who possesses the combination of athleticism + technically and fundamentally sound boxing skills) usually beats the pure athlete or the pure boxer. Which is the case with Oleksandr Gvozdyk because he combines athleticism with technical and fundamental boxing skills whilst Roy Jones Jr has always been a pure athlete which puts him at a stylistic disadvantage in this match up. Likewise, Roy Jones Jr's punch resistance has been questionably suspect and in Artur Beterbiev, he faces the most powerful puncher at light heavyweight he has ever faced. Beterbiev is also very good at cutting the ring off economically and efficiently whilst being in position to land his punches most of the time (like Mikey Garcia). Roy Jones Jr may be able to win some rounds early on, but Beterbiev has tremendous stamina for a power puncher that is able to carry his power to the final rounds / championship rounds. Thus, Roy Jones Jr can't rely on Beterbiev getting tired as the bout goes to the late rounds and simply due to the laws of averages, Roy Jones Jr is likely to eventually get caught by a few power punches from Artur Beterbiev which could be the end for Roy Jones Jr. Regarding point 3. Once again: The likes of Beterbiev, Bivol and Gvozdyk have beaten NOBODY to suggest that they would/could have beaten Roy. As it stands, they have yet to prove that they can beat a guy even as half as good as Roy. See how it works? It works both ways.

Wow the RJJ dick riding is off the charts in this thread. He was great. Saying he would clean up the LHW division of today is fantasy. How would he do against Stevenson? Possibly well because I think he would neutralize that left hand quite skillfully. How would he do against Kovalev? Nobody can say for sure. RJJ might eat a jab and it could wobble him, let alone a right from Kovalev. His chin might hold up but will RJJ be able to maintain his composure and focus after getting hit? Kovalev’s boxing skills are very underrated, he is much more than just a puncher. What about Gvozdyk? Gvozdyk is skilled with a strong punch. He reminds of Kovalev. He might hang in there skill wise, land and hurt RJJ. Against Bivol? Not enough for me to base upon. We would have more to judge Bivol with after the Barrera fight. Bivol is a strong puncher and if he touches RJJ he could hurt him. Against Beterbiev? Beterbiev is a strong puncher, but he is very inactive and might not have the boxing skills to hang in with RJJ, but again this is boxing, a punch might land and hurt RJJ. RJJ was great, today’s top LHWs are great as well. They have different boxing skills, but have crazy strong punching power. And no matter the skill, anyone eating a few punches to the head from these guys might lose all focus, forget about skills and go into survival mode. How on earth is it a fantasy to claim that Roy could/would have beaten those guys? Three of them have had less than 15 fights and have beaten nobody of note.

In the first match, Montell Griffin was indeed superior because he won and was ahead on the scorecard. I mentioned nothing about the second bout. Ergo, that's irrelevant. The second bout is irrelevant for the reason I've stated above in my last statement. 1) I'm not your 'mate'. 2) What relevance does TKO6 have with this thread? Whoever never had difficulties against Oleksandr Gvozdyk or Artur Beterbiev (who unlike Mike McCallum when Roy Jones Jr fought him, are actually in their primes)? I keep asking you what relevance does that point have with this thread? Also, you don't know who I am or what I am. I could be an Alien or a computer program that lacks characteristics and physical features such as a 'cheek'. So perhaps avoid making assumptions in the future? Montell won the fight on a technicality. He wasn't superior. He caused Roy problems early, and then he was on the verge of getting taken out, before Roy got silly.

I was referring to the first bout and not the second bout against Montell Griffin in regards to Roy Jones Jr getting exposed and having difficulties. An old, washed up, past his best, near 40 year old Mike Mccallum was also exposing, out-jabbing and out-boxing prime Roy Jones Jr in spurts. Roy Jones Jr's technical flaws were seriously exposed in those bouts. Roy Jones Jr barely boxed against opponents who are as technically and fundamentally sound in terms of boxing skills as Oleksandr Gvozdyk. The rare times that he did, he was exposed. He was slightly past his best, but he had almost 0 answers to Antonio Tarver's rudimentary jab. Oleksandr Gvozdyk is tall, rangy, has a long reach, has good lateral movement and in an out footwork, has good punch technique and is defensively sound with good defensive fundamentals and technique. Top it off, Gvozdyk has a good jab too. All of this spoils nightmare for Roy Jones Jr. Artur Beterbiev is going to be able to land some punches eventually on Roy Jones Jr. And when he does, he breaks Roy Jones Jr. Let's be real here, Mike lost just about every round against Roy, getting dropped twice. And Roy had a ton of respect him for him as a fighter, and he held back because he didn't want to take any unnecessary chances. He never fought Mike hard, in top gear. Mike being crafty and causing Roy a few issues along the way, does not constitute as Roy being exposed. Again, Roy fought Bernard, Toney and Reggie. Go and look at some of there fights and see the skills that they possessed. Why couldn't they expose him? Why are you so high on a guy who's only had 14 pro fights?

This is pretty much the truth! None of those boxers, other than a old, washed up Mike Mccallum and Montell Griffin even rival some of the current crop of light heavyweights that I've mentioned in terms of boxing skills. Conveniently, the only two technically and fundamentally sound boxers in Montell Griffin and an old Mike Mccallum managed to expose Roy Jones Jr's technical flaws by making it difficult for him to land his punches and whilst being able to out-box him in spurts. Roy Jones Jr never fought someone who is as powerful as Artur Beterbiev at light heavyweight. Nor has he fought anyone with the boxing skills of Oleksandr Gvozdyk at light heavyweight. More nonsense. Roy beat technical fighters. He beat Toney, Hopkins and Reggie. Did they expose him? Again, who have the likes of Beterbiev fought? Let me know when he and Bivol etc beats a guy like Griffin. Regarding power, again, who has Beterbiev ever seen with the skills, speed and power of Roy? Roy easily beat John Ruiz. A 235 pound HW who dropped Evander. It's okay possessing power, but you need the opportunity to land it.

I was referring to the first bout and not the second bout. Whatever happened in the 2nd bout, doesn't undo or change what happened in the first bout. Also, Montell Griffin is one of few more examples when Roy Jones jr was exposed by a technically and fundamentally sound boxer. A washed up, old, Mike Mccallum nearing age 40 was making Roy Jones Jr look bad at times. Out-jabbing and giving Roy Jones Jr some difficulties. An in prime Oleksandr Gvozdyk is a better technical boxer than anybody Roy Jones Jr fought against at 175 pounds. One of the few times Roy Jones Jr fought against someone with similar dimensions to Oleksandr Gvozdyk who was also technically and fundamentally sound in Antonio Tarver, Roy Jones Jr was stopped. Albeit, he was out of his prime then, but it doesn't change the fact that Roy Jones Jr was severely exposed. Why? Because I don't worship Roy Jones Jr's from head to toe and believe he is this unbeatable fictional character that many others have rated him to be? If that is your definition of the words 'deluded', 'idiotic' and 'ridiculous', then I am okay with being characterized by those words. Exposed? What's your definition of exposed?

People forget roy fought limited opposition at light heavyweight and got found out a few times at that weight later on in his career. He also wasn't a natural at that weight and was packing a china chin, he'd win most rounds against the current light heavys but he'd get tagged at some point, just like tarver did to him. Ha! Aren't you the guy who thinks Calzaghe would have beaten a prime version of Roy, based upon their 2008 fight?

Roy Jones Jr has never fought anybody that is stylistically like Oleksandr Gvozdyk or anybody who possesses the punching power of Artur Beterbiev. It is an extraordinary claim to make! Roy Jones Jr never boxed in a stacked light heavyweight division with boxers that are as good today. The guy struggled against Montell Griffin and was getting schooled. Yet somehow, he is going to play with Gvozdyk or Beteriev? Sure! Remain in nostalgia land! Who have Gvozdyk and Beterbiev ever fought that resembles Roy? Both of those guys look very good. But at the moment, they are both completely unproven. Gvozdyk has only had 14 fights, and Beterbiev has only had 12 fights. I'm excited by them. But they're only just starting out. Regarding Griffin, he was a small, defensive counterpuncher. He was a good fighter, who I think was underrated. But he didn't school Roy. From reading your posts, I think you have forgotten just how great and fast Roy was. At this stage, you have no idea how a guy like Beterbiev would have coped with that kind of speed. Here's a reminder: https://imgur.com/gallery/dkADuyL At this moment in time, the best LHW versions of Roy would had to have been favoured over today's guys.

Prime Roy Jones is too good for anyone at 168 or 175. His prime was definitely 168 but he was still elite at 175. People saying his chin would let him down are talking ćrap because you couldn't hit a prime Roy Jones.

if beterbiev unified at LHW and then went up to CW, unified there and then went to HW an won a title, do you think it would be justified startnig a thread asking - "HEY How do you think these one title zero defences guys do against him, they all beat him in my opinion HAHA!" or "HEY i think 1 titlefight Bivol will beat three weight unified LHW,CW, HW champion Beterbiev!" No obviously you'd be seen as crazy. Hey Objectivity, answer that.

a prime Jones is most likely still #1 P4P today and Adonis Stevenson, seriously? I can't think of another boxer that's had an easier career. How he hasn't been stripped of his title is a joke. What's it been since his last mandatory fight? 4 years? disgusting.

1) I never claimed or insinuated that Montell Griffin was ever a 'bum'. I have a very strict definition for what constitutes as a bum (BELOW - USABLE - MEASURE) to me. That is: a boxer with less than 12 fights or boxer with 12 or more bouts with 25% losses out of their win/loss career record. So it was actually to the contrary. I was actually making the point that Montell Griffin was one of the only few boxers Roy Jones Jr ever boxed against that was technically and fundamentally sound from a boxing skills perspective. 2) Roy Jones Jr did get 'exposed'. Even though he made adjustments later on and then managed to beat Montell Griffin. He was losing the early rounds and subsequently had his weaknesses exposed (technical deficiencies). However, he also exposed his own advantages (athletic attributes) that enabled him to eventually defeat Montell Griffin. This is merely constructive criticism without any bias or hate. 3) Roy Jones Jr has beaten no opponent in his career to suggest he can easily, if at all beat the likes of Artur Beterbiev or Oleksandr Gvozdyk. Simply because, Roy Jones Jr has never proven himself by beating opponents with styles that Artur Beterbiev and Oleksandr Gvozdyk use, along with other attributes they possess at light heavyweight. Roy Jones Jr never faced or beat an opponent with the punching power of Artur Beterbiev that was in his prime. Nor did Roy Jones Jr ever beat an opponent in his prime who is as fundamentally sound, fluid, rangy, as good an out-boxer, as good a lateral and in and out mover as Oleksandr Gvozdyk. and what opponents have biterbiev and gvozdyk faced to suggest they would beat roy? define "expose" because we're on different pages now. if griffin exposed roy he would've won the rematch. period. exposed to me means you have your opponent measured and figured out. a good example is marquez vs pacquiao. marquez had manny figured out. that KO punch he landed was choreographed through his whole camp and the exact sequence happened. thats exposed. and roy also schooled toney who is light years ahead of any LHW today in terms of technical skill. james toney beats the dog sht out of gvozdyk. biterbiev in front of roy will look like he stuck in quicksand. he slow as a snail roy will light him up like a christmas tree. you put this on a poll and roy will win a landslide. from 93 to around 2004 roy was arguably the greatest boxer in history. I would pick him to beat anybody I dont care what era it is. ppl say he just relied on athleticism and lacked technical skills. well maybe you should not define "technical skills" as jab jab right hand. lebron james also relies heavily on athleticism and hes arguably the most complete ballplayer in history. you can say tim duncan was "technically" better as far as fundamentals but put them head to head match up and lebron smokes him. roy jones is lebron. gvozdyk is not even a tim duncan cuz he hasn't accomplished sht. gvozdyk at this point is just chris dudley (google him). and biterbiev with his slow ass wont land a damn thing. he will look just like john ruiz his arms will look like they weigh 500 pounds. watch this video in its entirety >>> https://youtu.be/OBYxHoBmzls

People questioning RJJ's chin and picking glass chin Kovalev to beat him, you couldn't make it up :lol1:

Wtf? 'Y'all musta forgot' how good prime RJJ was, we're talking about an ATG talent. Kovalev and Stevenson would get beat the **** up, we haven't seen enough of Bivol, Beterbiev and Gvozdyk at the highest level so RJJ would obviously be a clear favourite over them as well.

RJJ was great, today’s top LHWs are great as well. They have different boxing skills, but have crazy strong punching power. And no matter the skill, anyone eating a few punches to the head from these guys might lose all focus, forget about skills and go into survival mode. I agree with your point that these kinds of topics are basically fantasy, but just on the physical point. If RJJ was facing these fighters today it's reasonable to suppose that he'd have access to the same sports science knowledge that contemporary fighters enjoy, so perhaps that potential physical advantage wouldn't be so pronounced? FWIW I think prime RJJ was a cut above and would be a handful in any era, but it's all hypothetical in any case!

Stick to the topic or get ignored! If you want to call someone the following derogatary terms: 1) Stupid 2) Idiot / Idiotic 3) Retard / Retarded 4) Dumb 5) Moron / Moronic 6) Unintelligent yeh i didnt call you any of those, i call you jose moro.nho. get with it. Be prepared to first take an IQ / intelligent test whilst showing yourself performing the test in video and whilst also showing the test results = IQ points in video. Or prove what your IQ points are in a different way. Or at the very least, demonstrate how someone you're claiming lacks intelligence, lacks their intelligence. Provide your evidence! Otherwise, you expose yourself as the unintelligent one. So are you willing to prove your IQ points or are you willing to drop this point for good? i agreed last week but you keep posting this question. Is this part of the test? Did YOU make this test? HAHAHA.

proof of what moro.nho means? HAHAHAHA. Stick to the topic or get ignored! If you want to call someone the following derogatary terms: 1) Stupid 2) Idiot / Idiotic 3) Retard / Retarded 4) Dumb 5) Moron / Moronic 6) Unintelligent Be prepared to first take an IQ / intelligent test whilst showing yourself performing the test in video and whilst also showing the test results = IQ points in video. Or prove what your IQ points are in a different way. Or at the very least, demonstrate how someone you're claiming lacks intelligence, lacks their intelligence. Provide your evidence! Otherwise, you expose yourself as the unintelligent one. So are you willing to prove your IQ points or are you willing to drop this point for good?