Its strange how a guy can practically slip initiated by a punch and lose the round 10-8, when he wasnt hurt in the slightest
Then you get a boxer who gets rocked and takes heavy punishment for most of the round and only loses 10-9.
Does a guy falling down not hurt deserve more than a guy whos seriously hurt but still on his feet?
Seems like a flaw in the scoring system IMO
You’ve won the round if you’ve knocked down your opponent, and you haven’t been knocked down yourself
Simple stuff.
I suggest re-reading the ABC and sanctioning bodies rules, because drivel like this is why we get terrible scorecards
You fùcking retard mong, yes you win the round BUT NOT BY 10-8.
Are you fùcking stupid?
YOU NEED TO WIN THE ROUND AND GET A KNOCKDOWN TO GET A 10-8.
IF YOU LOSE THE ROUND YOU GET A 10-9 (YOU STILL WIN BUT BY ONE LESS POINT YOU FÙCKING CANCER.)
If you don't come to you're senses you're getting blocked.
We're talking about the OP, getting a 10-8 JUST FOR KNOCKING DOWN your opponent. You don't get a 10-8 for knocking down an opponent, you need to WIN THE ROUND TOO to get a 10-8!!!
You NEED TO KNOCK DOWN your opponent AND WIN THE ROUND to get a 10-8 you retard.
See retard? 10-8?????
You’ve won the round if you’ve knocked down your opponent, and you haven’t been knocked down yourself
Simple stuff.
I suggest re-reading the ABC and sanctioning bodies rules, because drivel like this is why we get terrible scorecards
Let's say the KD is early and the other guy clearly wins the rest of the round, then the judges can (must) score it 9-9.
Just knocking down the guy doesn't automatically get you 10-8. The rest of the round is still scored.
I've seen a few fights like that.
No, you haven’t
As I’ve said earlier in the thread, the only debate here is when Fighter A gets the knockdown, but Fighter B beats A up to the extent a 10-8 round would have been scored for B. That would be a 9-9 round
The idea that you can still lose a round after you scored a knockdown is frankly absurd...
If you get the knockdown, you win the round. You can’t lose the round if you score the only knockdown ..
What aren’t you understanding?
We're talking about the OP, getting a 10-8 JUST FOR KNOCKING DOWN your opponent. You don't get a 10-8 for knocking down an opponent, you need to WIN THE ROUND TOO to get a 10-8!!!
You NEED TO KNOCK DOWN your opponent AND WIN THE ROUND to get a 10-8 you retard.
Its strange how a guy can practically slip initiated by a punch and lose the round 10-8, when he wasnt hurt in the slightest
See retard? 10-8?????
If you get the knockdown, you win the round. You can’t lose the round if you score the only knockdown ..
What aren’t you understanding?
Let's say the KD is early and the other guy clearly wins the rest of the round, then the judges can (must) score it 9-9.
Just knocking down the guy doesn't automatically get you 10-8. The rest of the round is still scored.
I've seen a few fights like that.
I'm not disputing winning the round, you guys really need to read what I'm saying and refer to the context. Context clues is like grade 5 I think?
I'm talking about the OP implying all you need is a knockdown to get a 10-8. You need more than a knockdown to get a 10-8. You need to get a knockdown and win the round.
If you get the knockdown, you win the round. You can’t lose the round if you score the only knockdown ..
What aren’t you understanding?
slow replay would do wonders in these situation but we dont have it in our sport and for good reason I beleive, I think it will cheapen the sport imo.
I've never heard anybody say that before. Why do you think instant replay would cheapen Boxing?
If you were knocked down, but your opponent wasn’t, you lost the round
How can you win a round if you were knocked down?
There’s no real debate here, other than the rare occurance where fighter A gets knocked down, but continues to batter fighter B, where he would have been scored a 10-8 round if it weren’t for the knockdown
I'm not disputing winning the round, you guys really need to read what I'm saying and refer to the context. Context clues is like grade 5 I think?
I'm talking about the OP implying all you need is a knockdown to get a 10-8. You need more than a knockdown to get a 10-8. You need to get a knockdown and win the round.
If you get dropped, you get the 10-8.
If you don't want the 10-8, don't get dropped.
Very simple.
As far BS calls, that's on the ref.
Yea. As much as flash knockdowns and other awkward knockdowns are irritating, rules shouldnt be too complicated. Glove touches canvas then it’s a knockdown.
It CAN'T happen, and I'll tell you why. If boxers know that they need to get up immediately or lose a point, you're going to have guys who are seriously hurt scrambling to their feet and trying to regain composure only to get truly hurt moments later. It's a health concern.
As far as leaving it up to the judges, you guys really want a judge deciding how hurt a guy was when he fell? Talk about opening a can of fking worms...
As is, the system works fairly well. You throw a punch hard enough to knock a guy off his feet, he loses a point. Don't try to complicate things.
No he wasnt. The punch hardly landed. It looked worst than it was because he grabbed Golovkin's leg going down. He showed no effects from the KD when he got up.
He was hurt more from the KD against Mora.
He definitely looked hurt and bothered to me
Official judges can't score 10-8 unless someone goes down or the ref administers the standing 8 count (the standing 8 is becoming extinct). Ruling on KDs is the ref's job only, not the judges. Judges must follow the refs in these cases, they have no power or discretion.
I hear what you are saying, but I don't like it. It would give judges and refs more power than necessary.
Let me give you some examples:
Most Floyd fans might want to think that he doesn't have any blemishes like knockdowns against him. I'm a huge fan, but I count two knockdowns against him:
1. Zab Judah: Floyd lost his balance, followed by a soft punch (can't remember now if it landed or not) and his gloves touched the canvas. I saw that as a KD, the ref ruled it a slip.
2. Carlos Hernandez: Floyd broke his hand and took a quick knee in a war. This was correctly scored a KD.
What would you have done?
Remember, rules are rules, and we have to be fair. Can't play favoritism, no matter how much you like or dislike the said fighter.
Pac had Horn staggering all over the ring in the 9th round and it was scored 10-9 for Pac. Judges don't give 10-8 for dominant rounds but they should. On the flip side with the crazy/corrupt scoring lately it would be just another tool to tamper with fights.
Its strange how a guy can practically slip initiated by a punch and lose the round 10-8, when he wasnt hurt in the slightest
Then you get a boxer who gets rocked and takes heavy punishment for most of the round and only loses 10-9.
Does a guy falling down not hurt deserve more than a guy whos seriously hurt but still on his feet?
Seems like a flaw in the scoring system IMO
How can you define what is a weak KD as a opposed to strong one? I understand what your getting at but it would create more problems than solve them IMO
There is no garauntee for a 10-8. You need a knockdown and to win the round. Score a kd and lose the round and it's 10-9. Totally fair.
What you're proposing would destroy Boxing.
If you were knocked down, but your opponent wasn’t, you lost the round
How can you win a round if you were knocked down?
There’s no real debate here, other than the rare occurance where fighter A gets knocked down, but continues to batter fighter B, where he would have been scored a 10-8 round if it weren’t for the knockdown
I dont think that was a flash KD, Jacobs was Hurt
No he wasnt. The punch hardly landed. It looked worst than it was because he grabbed Golovkin's leg going down. He showed no effects from the KD when he got up.
He was hurt more from the KD against Mora.
Its strange how a guy can practically slip initiated by a punch and lose the round 10-8, when he wasnt hurt in the slightest
Then you get a boxer who gets rocked and takes heavy punishment for most of the round and only loses 10-9.
Does a guy falling down not hurt deserve more than a guy whos seriously hurt but still on his feet?
Seems like a flaw in the scoring system IMO
There is no garauntee for a 10-8. You need a knockdown and to win the round. Score a kd and lose the round and it's 10-9. Totally fair.
What you're proposing would destroy Boxing.
Its strange how a guy can practically slip initiated by a punch and lose the round 10-8, when he wasnt hurt in the slightest
Then you get a boxer who gets rocked and takes heavy punishment for most of the round and only loses 10-9.
Does a guy falling down not hurt deserve more than a guy whos seriously hurt but still on his feet?
Seems like a flaw in the scoring system IMO
I don't think judges award enough 10-8s for dominant rounds.
A good recent example was Golovkin/Jacobs KD. There was a punch, a slip, and a push. Jacobs went down. In many people's eyes, it was the difference in the fight.
I dont think that was a flash KD, Jacobs was Hurt