Who have the best resume ever, if just going off names of fighters they beat(not factoring in prime years, circumstances, size advantages etc etc etc).
"Now, give the fighter from the 50's all todays training methods, boxing knowledge and styles gathered over the years, advanced diet and conditioning knowledge etc. etc. and then it would be a different story of course"..............
today's training methods............tell me about the methods of today compared to then.
boxing knowledge? their were more styles utilized in the 40's & 50's than there is now. Dozens of fighters fought out of the Philly shell long before Mayweather.
The thought that the fighters and trainers are more versed today compared to someone like Mr. Blackburn is a joke!
Todays boxing is an off shoot from the 70's amateur boxing era. No one fights inside, no one follows up on combination punching and no one has a powered two hand attack.
You can take Sugar Ray Robinson out of the 40's & fifties and would be the welter & middle champ just as he was then. He also had Maxim beat at light heavy and you can't tell me that Koval beats him, he would stop Koval.
learn the history of the men who were true ATG's especially the true TBE p4p King.
Ray
Henry Armstrong beat alot of title holders, past title holders and future champions. That's when there were fewer divisions and probably less sanctioning bodies. I got this list of present past and future champions he beat from Wikipedia. Probably missed some . There were lots of top contenders he beat that might have held a title with the extra divisions we have today.
Former flyweight champion Midget Wolgast
Featherweight Champion Baby Arizmendi
Welterweight champion Barney Ross
Lightweight Champion Lou Amber's
Juan Zurita
Frankie Klick
Benny Bass
Petey Sarron
Chalky Wright
Ceferino Garcia
Tippy Larkin
Sammy Angott
floyd and it's not close
corrales
hernandez
odlh
cotto
hatton
judah
pacquiao
maidana
canelo
moseley
marquez
gatti
castillo
augustus
that shits ridiculous
you must have forgot about de la hoya resume because his names are even greater than mayweather. and mayweather is my guy, but no bias here
oscar's resume
floyd
pacquiao
chavez sr
trinidad
whitaker
hopkins
mosley
vargas
camacho
gatti
hernandez
quartey
mayorga
carr
That's why i never really compare fighters from now and a long time ago. There's way too many factors involved.
If you take any sport that has a definitive measurement of records, like athletics, then records continue to be broken all the time because athletes just keep getting faster and stronger and more skilled. Boxing is the same, we just have no definitive way of measuring, so it becomes opinion based. One would have to be naive or stupid to believe boxing is the only sport where people from 50 years ago were better than now, if you make a direct comparison.
Drop a top fighter from the 50's, as they were then, into a fight with a top fighter today and the 50's fighter would get the p1ss beaten out of them in a round. Like if you put Carl Lewis and his best 100m against the best times of likes of Bolt, Gatlin, Gay etc. in 100m, Lewis would look like a carthorse in comparison, but in his day it looked like he was flying.
Now, give the fighter from the 50's all todays training methods, boxing knowledge and styles gathered over the years, advanced diet and conditioning knowledge etc. etc. and then it would be a different story of course.
There's just too many factors involved to make a fair comparison. That's why all you can be is the best of your time.
One thing though is that fighters used to fight more often and were more of a full-time athletes and there were more top fighters in general so the sparring and activity was so much better and often so they were able to hone their skills more than today's 1 or 2 lucky if it's 3 times a year.
You have to measure relative to their era's if your talking all-time. Did I say they are better now and would beat him heads up? Point to me where I said that.
That's why i never really compare fighters from now and a long time ago. There's way too many factors involved.
If you take any sport that has a definitive measurement of records, like athletics, then records continue to be broken all the time because athletes just keep getting faster and stronger and more skilled. Boxing is the same, we just have no definitive way of measuring, so it becomes opinion based. One would have to be naive or stupid to believe boxing is the only sport where people from 50 years ago were better than now, if you make a direct comparison.
Drop a top fighter from the 50's, as they were then, into a fight with a top fighter today and the 50's fighter would get the p1ss beaten out of them in a round. Like if you put Carl Lewis and his best 100m against the best times of likes of Bolt, Gatlin, Gay etc. in 100m, Lewis would look like a carthorse in comparison, but in his day it looked like he was flying.
Now, give the fighter from the 50's all todays training methods, boxing knowledge and styles gathered over the years, advanced diet and conditioning knowledge etc. etc. and then it would be a different story of course.
There's just too many factors involved to make a fair comparison. That's why all you can be is the best of your time.
He's definitely near number 1.
Only to people who just read boxrec, and don’t actually know who these guys Ali, SRR, Armstrong etc beat.
He’s on the fringe of top 5 at best.
It is subjective, so there is no definite answer but Floyds resume is not near the level of SRR’s, Armstrong’s or Ali’s
sugar ray robinson and no one else except ali is even close , ray fought atg fighters at welter and middleweight at there best with no ****ing catchweights glove size restrictions and waiting until they were to old and past there best.
yep that is down right insane
i forgot
chavez
baldomir (lineal champ)
manfredy
corley
mcgregor
ali was transcendent and all that but in the ring, no one did it like floyd did for almost 3 decades.
edit: and the DC warrior demarcus corley, cat has fought them all and is still fighting, he's like 70 fights in.
floyd and it's not close
corrales
hernandez
odlh
cotto
hatton
judah
pacquiao
maidana
canelo
moseley
marquez
gatti
castillo
augustus
that shits ridiculous
yep that is down right insane
Well that logic is floored because their is no p4p set in stone for you to say Robinson, Greb and Armstrong have more wins over top 20 fighters.
There is no way on earth you can tell any sane Boxing fan with two eyes, who can actually watch Greb and Armstrong, that they're better than Floyd. Look at the stances, it's totally different eras. You can spin it how you like. Floyd fought a better level of competition. The footage is there.
Post 1 fight from either fighter that is on the level of any Floyd fight please?.
You have to measure relative to their era's if your talking all-time. Did I say they are better now and would beat him heads up? Point to me where I said that.
He's definitely near number 1.
Don't think so. Marquez and Pacquaio are possibly/probably top 40-60 all-time but nobody else is top 100. Compare that to Robinson, Greb, Armstrong, Charles, Langford for example have multiple wins over top 25-30 (even top 10 guys) all-time and a plethora of top 50. Each one probably has around 7-10 of the top 100 all-time on their resumes.
Names alone I'd put Floyd's somewhere around 20 or so but it's only two truly great fighters he fought (Marquez and Pacquaio) - that falls short.
He's definitely near number 1.
Depends on how you look at it i guess. Ali and Leonard have better wins than Floyd. More wins over real ATG fighters.
For sheer volume of really good names, Floyd does take some beating in that department, it's a long list of good names.