The Case For AJ/Wilder Being 50/50

If all it would take to make a Vegas mega fight - bigger than GGG/Canelo - is two unbeaten, English speaking HW champs with high KO ratios .. then why didn't Haymon do it with Wilder and Martin, who are both American and both signed to him? And why is Wilder going crazy calling out AJ, but not interested at all in unbeaten WBO champ Parker? What is it about AJ that makes him different from Martin and Parker? You don't think AJ's huge UK fan base has any relevance in this business ... seriously? Because Martin is about as charismatic as a package of new socks. Ditto Parker. Most heavy's are boring or non-english speaking, and english is still the language you need to speak (at least a little) to sell over a million PPVs at $80-$100 a pop. It isn't that is just two undefeated heavyweight KO artists. It's two SALABLE undefeated heavyweight KO artists. And yes, AJ's huge fanbase in his own country is indeed a factor in being able to sell the fight. But, it doesn't automatically entitle AJ to a lion's share anymore than Hatton's or Pac's or Canelo's or Cotto's huge fanbases in their countries entitled them to lion shares when they weren't the A-side vs Floyd. And, in Vegas, AJ isn't the A-side. Neither guy is. Wilder is calling AJ out because it is more salable than any other fight, including Parker. Even with both guys not a household word (yet) in the US, it is a fight than can be promoted to make both men much richer and much more well known. Unlike almost any other of the heavy's, both men do extremely well in front of a camera. They are the only two with good records that have the potential to attract casual and maybe transcend the sport. They can be worldwide celebrities. And there is simply more money to be made in Vegas than anywhere else.

Martin actually got 75% of the purse, Joshua got 2mil for that fight. Imagine where we'd be if Wilder offered Martin a decent purse, and took a hit on his own. Fought Klitschko in Vegas 50/50, and won. Was unified WBC, IBF, WBA Champion. Joshua wouldnt have his Wembley fight, no massive popularity boost. Wilder calling all the shots But he didnt, didnt have the foresight. So here we are This is the truth of it. I think you said as much in the first page but some aren't listening, or aren't capable of understanding, not sure which. One of these boxers took some calculated risks with his career and is now reaping the benefits. The other played safe. They may still share the same sport, but they're now in different worlds commercially. Wilder didn't take the risks but he still wants to be rewarded for them. It doesn't work like that. His problem is that he needs AJ far more than AJ needs him. If he wants a shot at what AJ has he'll have to acknowledge that in the real world, he's not in the same league. That's why it won't be 50/50.

If all it would take to make a Vegas mega fight - bigger than GGG/Canelo - is two unbeaten, English speaking HW champs with high KO ratios .. then why didn't Haymon do it with Wilder and Martin, who are both American and both signed to him? And why is Wilder going crazy calling out AJ, but not interested at all in unbeaten WBO champ Parker? What is it about AJ that makes him different from Martin and Parker? You don't think AJ's huge UK fan base has any relevance in this business ... seriously? yes his huge uk fan base. uk being the key word. also if the reason the wilder-joshua is going to be huge is because of joshuas fan base why is wilder getting 50-50? makes no sense.

This past September, we just saw a guy who had sold 1M PPV his last fight take on a guy who had only sold 130K PPVs his last fight. Canelo/G did pretty well. And those were not heavyweights, one guy had a loss, and one guy had a controversial fight prior. These are 2 Undefeated Heavyweight wrecking machines who both speak english and both are charismatic. This fight will sell better than that one. Especially with casuals. Comparing two PPV fighters to 2 non PPV fighters. Joshua and Wilder can't even get 1 mil on Showtime but you expect them to sell 1+ mil PPV?. :rofl: no dispute? unknown british fighter vs unknown american fighter is going to do more than 11 million dollars in vegas at the gate? based on what? that would have to be one hell of a promotion to take 2 unknown guys and reach the level of floyd-mosley and pac-marquez 4. you usually dont go from zero to 100 like that in boxing. it usually takes one big star to reach that level. here we have zero so not sure how there is no dispute. i doubt they would even price the tickets that high so they could have the possibility of reaching 11 mill If all it would take to make a Vegas mega fight - bigger than GGG/Canelo - is two unbeaten, English speaking HW champs with high KO ratios .. then why didn't Haymon do it with Wilder and Martin, who are both American and both signed to him? And why is Wilder going crazy calling out AJ, but not interested at all in unbeaten WBO champ Parker? What is it about AJ that makes him different from Martin and Parker? You don't think AJ's huge UK fan base has any relevance in this business ... seriously?

Martin actually got 75% of the purse, Joshua got 2mil for that fight. Imagine where we'd be if Wilder offered Martin a decent purse, and took a hit on his own. Fought Klitschko in Vegas 50/50, and won. Was unified WBC, IBF, WBA Champion. Joshua wouldnt have his Wembley fight, no massive popularity boost. Wilder calling all the shots But he didnt, didnt have the foresight. So here we are people forget the reason hearn paid martin so much is because other fighters wanted to fight him so there was a bidding war. then with the belt he jumped into a huge super fight. wilder jumped into 6 bum fights after winning the belt. i dont think fighting wilder is in high demand since everyone knows hes a paper tiger and just wants to fight bums. if they dont fight wilder who is going to steal him? stirverne, spilzka, washington lmao

Martin actually got 75% of the purse, Joshua got 2mil for that fight. Imagine where we'd be if Wilder offered Martin a decent purse, and took a hit on his own. Fought Klitschko in Vegas 50/50, and won. Was unified WBC, IBF, WBA Champion. Joshua wouldnt have his Wembley fight, no massive popularity boost. Wilder calling all the shots But he didnt, didnt have the foresight. So here we are

One has a track record of drawing in his own country. Wildly successful. Just like certain TV shows in Britain. But, that doesn't mean those same TV shows are going to do as well in the US. And you cannot demand the same in the US based on what has been done in Britain. There is no disputing that if this fight took place in Vegas, it would do a better gate than anything AJ has done in Britain. What AJ fanboys can't get their head around is that if the fight is in Vegas, AJ's PPV buys from British TV are almost irrelevant. no dispute? unknown british fighter vs unknown american fighter is going to do more than 11 million dollars in vegas at the gate? based on what? that would have to be one hell of a promotion to take 2 unknown guys and reach the level of floyd-mosley and pac-marquez 4. you usually dont go from zero to 100 like that in boxing. it usually takes one big star to reach that level. here we have zero so not sure how there is no dispute. i doubt they would even price the tickets that high so they could have the possibility of reaching 11 mill

The thing AJ fans love to point out- with decent enough reason- is what AJ has made in some of his last few fights. AJ made 8M pounds vs Martin AJ made 15M pounds vs Klitschko AJ made 10M pounds vs Takam (Against guys like Whyte, Molina, and Brazeale his purse were smaller, ranging from 1.5M to 3M pounds.) The 3 big fights cited above are miles above and beyond anything Wilder has made in any of his fights, they say, so Deontay should not ask for a 50/50 split. And that might actually make sense until you actually look at what his opponents got in those fights. Martin made 6M pounds. Wlad made 15M pounds. Takam made 750,000 pounds. Takam was a challenger taking the fight on 12 days notice. So he got a 90/10 split. The split for the fight with Pulev was going to be 80/20, again quite reasonable for an A-side champion vs a not too well known challenger. But Martin, as an unknown champion asked to defend his title, got better than a 40% split (almost 43%). Klitschko, a title-less aging former champ, got a 50/50 split. Given this information, and given that AJ vs Wilder is the biggest fight that can be made in boxing, it is quite understandable why Wilder is asking for 50/50. And given what AJ and Hearns have paid in the past, Wilder deserves it. Martin, an unknown got near 45%. Wlad with no title and coming off a loss, got 50%. Wilder, better known than Martin and actually holding a belt unlike Wlad, should at a minimum get what Martin got no matter where the fight is. And truth is, he deserves the same deal as Wlad. He is a longer reigning champion than AJ is, and unlike even the Klitschko fight, this fight if marketed the right way can do extremely well on American PPV. This is why folks who claim Wilder is pricing himself out of a fight actually have it backwards. Offering another champion 20-35% is a clear sign that it is Hearn who doesn't want the fight. And you don't have to have an opinion about what is fair or who is a bigger star. All you have to do is look at the track record of what was offered and received in other big fights and see if what is offered here IN THE BIGGEST FIGHT OF ALL OF THEM lines up comparably. And the answer is, it doesn't. you must have though pac deserved 50/50 with mayweather too.

One has a track record of drawing in his own country. Wildly successful. Just like certain TV shows in Britain. But, that doesn't mean those same TV shows are going to do as well in the US. And you cannot demand the same in the US based on what has been done in Britain. There is no disputing that if this fight took place in Vegas, it would do a better gate than anything AJ has done in Britain. What AJ fanboys can't get their head around is that if the fight is in Vegas, AJ's PPV buys from British TV are almost irrelevant. The PPV buys from the British market alone will be massive - they aren't suddenly going to disappear. They will still make up a significant portion of the overall revenue. You can't just single out a whole chunk of the product and proclaim it to be irrelevant - that's f*cking stupid. And still none of this bullsh*t explains why you think Wilder should get 50% of the cut. You're going around in circles and avoiding the point. Get on with a proper argument about why Wilder should get half, or shut the f*ck up already.

Really?...that's all you can come up with? :loser: No, but its all you deserve for those dumb comments of yours.

It looks like you're so deeply buried in your opinion, you're struggling to get out. Effectively you're saying, because Joshua is untested in one part of the market, it should be a 50-50 fight. Ignoring the fact that the US is only one part of the market - a market which is Wilder's backyard, which Wilder hasn't drawn in at all. Add it up - one has a record of drawing, the other doesn't. It's not f*cking rocket science - even though you're struggling with it. One has a track record of drawing in his own country. Wildly successful. Just like certain TV shows in Britain. But, that doesn't mean those same TV shows are going to do as well in the US. And you cannot demand the same in the US based on what has been done in Britain. There is no disputing that if this fight took place in Vegas, it would do a better gate than anything AJ has done in Britain. What AJ fanboys can't get their head around is that if the fight is in Vegas, AJ's PPV buys from British TV are almost irrelevant.

Joshua is bigger worldwide and isn't far off Wilder in the states either. :dunce: This. Oh on the part about the Martin situation...Charles Martin got offered that money to fight in the O2 Arena. If that fight was in the US then he would not have even been close to reaching that amount. Folks just have to realize that AJ was built into a star while Wilder was still having fights in Alabama. Doesn't matter if Wilder has a belt...he can't even draw a fanbase outside of his home state. Ever since he beat Stiverne in Vegas, he has not been there since. Isn't he the longest reigning heavyweight champion? No way Hearn is going to put up as much money for Wilder as he would for Joshua for the fight to happen in any location.

The same amount as AJ- which is one of several reasons why it is a 50/50 fight. It looks like you're so deeply buried in your opinion, you're struggling to get out. Effectively you're saying, because Joshua is untested in one part of the market, it should be a 50-50 fight. Ignoring the fact that the US is only one part of the market - a market which is Wilder's backyard, which Wilder hasn't drawn in at all. Add it up - one has a record of drawing, the other doesn't. It's not f*cking rocket science - even though you're struggling with it.

Joshua is bigger worldwide and isn't far off Wilder in the states either. :dunce: This. Oh on the part about the Martin situation...Charles Martin got offered that money to fight in the O2 Arena. If that fight was in the US then he would not have even been close to reaching that amount. Folks just have to realize that AJ was built into a star while Wilder was still having fights in Alabama. Doesn't matter if Wilder has a belt...he can't even draw a fanbase outside of his home state. Ever since he beat Stiverne in Vegas, he has not been there since. Isn't he the longest reigning heavyweight champion? No way Hearn is going to put up as much money for Wilder as he would for Joshua for the fight to happen in any location.

They know how it works what puzzles them is that for once it’s not their guy who is the A-side. That’s all it is. Imagine Wilder was the one pulling 10x what Joshua did and AJ said 50-50 or no fight?? These guys would go ballistic :lol1: Not the right analogy, or not complete anyway. Try these. If Wilder was pulling 10x what AJ was, yet it was clear that the biggest financial market for a potential fight was Britain- where neither man had ever sold one PPV- then it would be outrageous for Wilder to propose anything less than 50/50 for a fight in Britain. If Wilder had paid Molina 45% and Stiverne 50% it would be outrageous for him to offer AJ 30%.

Lets make it simple. Joshua is making 15+ mil per fight. Wilder is making 1.5 mil per fight. Who needs who more? They know how it works what puzzles them is that for once it’s not their guy who is the A-side. That’s all it is. Imagine Wilder was the one pulling 10x what Joshua did and AJ said 50-50 or no fight?? These guys would go ballistic :lol1:

Lets make it simple. Joshua is making 15+ mil per fight. Wilder is making 1.5 mil per fight. Who needs who more? It's funny when Wilder tries to play himself up for a big payday, but this one thing is clear: Those who run the game know who brings in the $$ and are willing to pay accordingly. An extremely talented and future superstar like Joshua is seen as an investment and pulls $15+million per fight. He's a new champ with a 20-0 record, with 20 KOs. Then we have Wilder, a 39-0 fighter with 38 KOs. Sounds better on paper, but the people with the money think he's only worth paying $1.5 million per fight (cough...only fights bums, cough...has an amateurish style, cough) AJ gets paid 10 times more than Wilder. Deontay thinks he's worth the same as Joshua, but those who sign the checks disagree.

Comparing two PPV fighters to 2 non PPV fighters. Joshua and Wilder can't even get 1 mil on Showtime but you expect them to sell 1+ mil PPV?. :rofl: Yeah, I do. I think this fight, properly promoted, is the biggest fight in boxing. If these were not undefeated heavyweight KO artists, I would agree with you. But the heavyweights have always been a different animal, KO artists especially. It will sell.

Are you really as dumb as that? Dont bother lmao There's a bunch of those in the thread ...next thing you know ...someone will come in and say that Wilder has the best trunk selection so he should get the 50-50 :biggthump :biggthump :biggthump

Oh pull your knickers out of your crack and go back to your lukewarm ale. Everybody who watches the heavyweight game knows it, I've even heard Bunce and other British commentators admit it. He ain't the most skilled, doesn't have more belts, probably ain't managed or promoted that well, got a corny mask thing going on, and yes...the "Bombzquad" thing just makes me snicker. But he is the most dangerous cat out there and if that weren't the case, there wouldn't be this thread about him.:D Are you really as dumb as that?