Saving Boxing in the U.S.

Times change, horse Racing at 1 point was a major player so was track and field There's more sports then ever before And more platforms for fans to watch those options Has boxing declined from the mainstream media, yeah it's popularity has waned slightly but for a individual sport it's still one of the biggest if not the biggest sport in the States. It's a multi billion dollar sport and has a strong hold in many markets throughout the States What a f.ucking retarded comment, In the last 3-4 years what American fighters have built their profile more then Wilder,Broner, Garcia, Spence, Thurman even the smaller guys like LSC have more of a profile and more people watch them ( exceptions being Canelo and GGg ) then anyone TR, GB , Main events , K2 promote Boxing is no where close in pop as it used to be even in the 90s.Its pop has more then waned slightly.I mean I wish that was not true but it is.You cant just go by ppv numbers as there is more homes with it.

PBC on Fox/FS1 is set to deliver ~30 shows a year, with Showtime/CBS on pace for another 20 shows (plus the ShoBox cards). There is interest in boxing from younger fans (the likely phase 2 of the PBC effort will give a better sense of where things are growing from). Well I hope things get better.but been a boxing fan loooong time to have your faith.But id rather you were right than me. I guess we will see.

http://www.premierboxingchampions.com/sites/default/files/styles/responsive_480_x_853/public/Caleb_Plant_secondary.jpg Maybe if we get this guy a leather jacket like Fonzie, he could be the guy, LMAO yeah that dude is a beast lol!!!!!

Yes it has declined Overall, nobody is just casually watching boxing between fighters they don't know compared to others sports in which fans can watch which ever match up between two teams no matter who is playing The sport of boxing and the way Promoters Promote and the way Fighters connect with fans all of that needs to be changed from Top To Bottom. The Old Way no longer works! TV Commercials and Radio Commercials don't work anymore. Also ZERO effort to connect with a younger demographic I said this in another thread. Reality TV produced by PBC or any other promoter can help a lot. In high school when Floyd started the 24/7 series that kept mmy friends and I engaged. The UFC came to my attention with the Ultimate Fighter series. I get my extra content from various youtubers now. People need to feel invested and that can be achieved by delivering regular content that shows professional and personal growth while mixing in everyday trivial stuff. Promoters just need to get on board so we can follow their stable.

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Boxing used to be BIGGEST SPORT in US.And all the way up into the 60s it was right behind baseball.Hell even the early 80s boxing was much bigger sport.I remember after Tyson vs Spinks it was on front page of both big papers (and I'm takin MN)NOT FRONT SPORT PAGE BUT FRONT PAGE! Times change, horse Racing at 1 point was a major player so was track and field There's more sports then ever before And more platforms for fans to watch those options Has boxing declined from the mainstream media, yeah it's popularity has waned slightly but for a individual sport it's still one of the biggest if not the biggest sport in the States. It's a multi billion dollar sport and has a strong hold in many markets throughout the States haymons killed US boxing. as long as hes a key player, boxing in america wont thrive. What a f.ucking retarded comment, In the last 3-4 years what American fighters have built their profile more then Wilder,Broner, Garcia, Spence, Thurman even the smaller guys like LSC have more of a profile and more people watch them ( exceptions being Canelo and GGg ) then anyone TR, GB , Main events , K2 promote

This. Very few fighters are good at self promotion and promoters in the US should barely be called promoters these days with their fight hyping/selling ability nowadays. I mean look at Broner and his following despite him sh^tting the bed every time he steps up. There is something to that if you are paying attention and that's him selling himself on social media. Look at Haney. He's got a following and hasn't fought close to a live opponent yet. That dude is all over YouTube. The world changed and boxing still thinks it's 1972 in the US. There are more examples of varying success out there. I'm ashamed to say I haven't heard of Haney before, but I just checked him out. Yes, his fight has over 400,000 views and he's what 17? Awesome.

a great white u.s. boxer with a bad boy personality would put u.s. boxing back on the map. hed be on billboards, commercials, and the country for the most part would get behind him and not trash his every move. this sadly is what has to happen http://www.premierboxingchampions.com/sites/default/files/styles/responsive_480_x_853/public/Caleb_Plant_secondary.jpg Maybe if we get this guy a leather jacket like Fonzie, he could be the guy, LMAO

It still has less fans less ppv really.Evander vs Foreman did like 1.4 when about 8.5 million COULD GET PPV getting 4.6 now when 100 million homes get it shows what I'm talkin about.When I was a kid it was on FREE tv almost every week end(80s).Im not one of "boxing is dead"idiots but there is a lot of other proof that its fan base is getting older and just less PBC on Fox/FS1 is set to deliver ~30 shows a year, with Showtime/CBS on pace for another 20 shows (plus the ShoBox cards). There is interest in boxing from younger fans (the likely phase 2 of the PBC effort will give a better sense of where things are growing from).

I'd argue that point, tbh. Floyd going away has definitely taken the top off of sport, but the base has drastically broadened under that with the younger guys. Barclays Center is now an established premier venue for the sport to go along with MGM Resorts (Mandalay/MGM Grand/T-Mobile Arena), and SoCal and Texas are still hotbeds for the sport. You add the Charlos in Houston, Spence in Dallas, Lara still trying to do something in South Florida, Wilder in Alabama, and the host of regional draws coming along ("Red Flag" Benevidez in Vegas/Arizona, Caleb Plant in TN if he gets a belt, Claressa Shields in Michigan, etc). With the depth of the TV situation being what it is (between the shows on Showtime/CBS and this likely deal with Fox/FS1, you're talking about 50 shows a year for the foreseeable future), folks are missing the forest over the trees. It still has less fans less ppv really.Evander vs Foreman did like 1.4 when about 8.5 million COULD GET PPV getting 4.6 now when 100 million homes get it shows what I'm talkin about.When I was a kid it was on FREE tv almost every week end(80s).Im not one of "boxing is dead"idiots but there is a lot of other proof that its fan base is getting older and just less

Trust me different people have different slices but the pie is getting smaller and smaller. I'd argue that point, tbh. Floyd going away has definitely taken the top off of sport, but the base has drastically broadened under that with the younger guys. Barclays Center is now an established premier venue for the sport to go along with MGM Resorts (Mandalay/MGM Grand/T-Mobile Arena), and SoCal and Texas are still hotbeds for the sport. You add the Charlos in Houston, Spence in Dallas, Lara still trying to do something in South Florida, Wilder in Alabama, and the host of regional draws coming along ("Red Flag" Benevidez in Vegas/Arizona, Caleb Plant in TN if he gets a belt, Claressa Shields in Michigan, etc). With the depth of the TV situation being what it is (between the shows on Showtime/CBS and this likely deal with Fox/FS1, you're talking about 50 shows a year for the foreseeable future), folks are missing the forest over the trees.

Yes it has declined Overall, nobody is just casually watching boxing between fighters they don't know compared to others sports in which fans can watch which ever match up between two teams no matter who is playing The sport of boxing and the way Promoters Promote and the way Fighters connect with fans all of that needs to be changed from Top To Bottom. The Old Way no longer works! TV Commercials and Radio Commercials don't work anymore. Also ZERO effort to connect with a younger demographic You hit it when you talked about youngrer demo that's what we NEED.Our fanbase gets older every year unlike other sports.I have honestly hated mma since it came out.People watch mma to see them stand and fight not rassel.I mean that's what boxing is!!!!!!!! I remember the 1st one they were advertising in THE RING or KO at the time.I remember thinkin early "I hope this don't catch on"Boxing really would be better off with just one big org or promoter

-Floyd just fought Conor McGregor in a fight that likely ended up generating north of $600m. -After the time was invested, Keith Thurman and Danny Garcia had the fever built up to the point that they had over 5 million people watching them fight. -For almost every PBC broadcast, the audience has consistently grown throughout the event (as folks find boxing on TV, PBC/Showtime was able to keep them tuned in). -The live airing of Joshua-Klitschko did over 650k on Showtime in the early afternoon. -In town after town, city after city, when presented with fights, I've been pleasantly surprised way more often then I'd been disappointed. US boxing will be fine; keep putting on competitively matched fights (or at least fights with durable/rugged guys), expose them to the sports world as best you can, and let the audience build with a new crop of fighters as Floyd finally steps away and Manny basically gets pushed out. Errol Spence Jr, Deontay Wilder, Mikey Garcia and others will all get their chance, and the fans will cycle behind the next star. Ali, to the Four Kings, to Mike Tyson, to Oscar, to Floyd, and now it seems like it's shifting back to the heavyweights (with some really talented smaller guys coming along). Trust me different people have different slices but the pie is getting smaller and smaller.

Boxing has never appealed in the US. The only thing casuals care about is WWE stunts/"Big Drama Show"/Posting Expensive Stuff On Instgram(For Some Reason This Gives You Alot Of Instagram Followers). Casuals don't care about boxing. Boxing used to be BIGGEST SPORT in US.And all the way up into the 60s it was right behind baseball.Hell even the early 80s boxing was much bigger sport.I remember after Tyson vs Spinks it was on front page of both big papers (and I'm takin MN)NOT FRONT SPORT PAGE BUT FRONT PAGE!

Cant deny that every decade the sport is smaller and smaller Yes it has declined Overall, nobody is just casually watching boxing between fighters they don't know compared to others sports in which fans can watch which ever match up between two teams no matter who is playing The sport of boxing and the way Promoters Promote and the way Fighters connect with fans all of that needs to be changed from Top To Bottom. The Old Way no longer works! TV Commercials and Radio Commercials don't work anymore. Also ZERO effort to connect with a younger demographic

context is key -Floyd just fought Conor McGregor in a fight that likely ended up generating north of $600m. -After the time was invested, Keith Thurman and Danny Garcia had the fever built up to the point that they had over 5 million people watching them fight. -For almost every PBC broadcast, the audience has consistently grown throughout the event (as folks find boxing on TV, PBC/Showtime was able to keep them tuned in). -The live airing of Joshua-Klitschko did over 650k on Showtime in the early afternoon. -In town after town, city after city, when presented with fights, I've been pleasantly surprised way more often then I'd been disappointed. US boxing will be fine; keep putting on competitively matched fights (or at least fights with durable/rugged guys), expose them to the sports world as best you can, and let the audience build with a new crop of fighters as Floyd finally steps away and Manny basically gets pushed out. Errol Spence Jr, Deontay Wilder, Mikey Garcia and others will all get their chance, and the fans will cycle behind the next star. Ali, to the Four Kings, to Mike Tyson, to Oscar, to Floyd, and now it seems like it's shifting back to the heavyweights (with some really talented smaller guys coming along).

My take on that was it seems like a lot of boxing writers/media are bought & paid for by certain promotions. And Haymon being anti-coming out of his house or dealing with the media in general, had him on the outs with many of them or not embracing the quid pro quo world of boxing media in any way most boxing writers/media are used to when dealing with the bigger players in the sport. I mean at the announcement of PBC many notable boxing writers were left out of the loop with the news. I think out of the gate that had many boxing writers/media saying good luck with that PBC thing or whatever it is. Idk for sure obviously so thats just me theorizing & speculating, but with how "old media" boxing still is (in the US anyway, idk about elsewhere) I don't think its THAT crazy a theory or speculation. Not at all crazy was kinda thinkin that myself at least the part about him not giving intervievs.I think you hit it right on the button.

American don't need saving at all. This is still the Mecca Of Boxing! Happy for AJ and glad he is doing great but Americas still own every Gate and PPV Record so it is going to take more than 1-2 years of success before trying to say what America needs to do Superstars always emerge in America eventually! A New one will emerge and separate himself from the Rest and become the new Face of American Boxing. Just don't know who it will be yet and that is usually how it is. It could be Shakur Stevenson or Ryan Garcia, Devin Haney or guys who are not even pro yet like Joey Spencer, Delante Johnson, Marc Castro just have to wait and see. We have great History in boxing and are use to seeing Great Fighters! America is not desperate for something Great like others clearly! :lol1: Cant deny that every decade the sport is smaller and smaller

While listening to the broadcast of the AJ fight and hearing that it was breaking the record for an indoor fight, beating out the Superdome fight between Ali and Spinks it really made me ponder the downfall of boxing in the U.S. and how to fix it. The only way boxing comes back bigtime is to piggyback. The best non PPV ratings recently came when Errol Spence and Bundu fought right after the Olympic BBall game. Promoters need to find a way to get the best fighting the best after major NBA/NFL/MLB games. Can you imagine Thurman vs Spence right after an NFL playoff game. Garcia vs Loma after an NBA playoff game. Charlo vs. Golovkin after the NBA on Christmas day. When a TV network develops a new show they want to be successful the put it on right after the most popular show in their line up Good points never understood the media dissing PBC in the beginning.Now the way their blew a great chance to bring boxing back(networks showing boxing again)they do now deserve some s hite.But this ESPN deal could be huge but even with this boxing cant get it quite right.It should not have been just TOP RANK.Ex deals like that can and will keep you from showing any top fight.

America don't need saving at all. This is still the Mecca Of Boxing! Happy for AJ and glad he is doing great but Americas still own every Gate and PPV Record so it is going to take more than 1-2 years of success before trying to say what America needs to do Superstars always emerge in America eventually! A New one will emerge and separate himself from the Rest and become the new Face of American Boxing. Just don't know who it will be yet and that is usually how it is. It could be Shakur Stevenson or Ryan Garcia, Devin Haney or guys who are not even pro yet like Joey Spencer, Delante Johnson, Marc Castro just have to wait and see. We have great History in boxing and are use to seeing Great Fighters! America is not desperate for something Great like others clearly! :lol1: