Who has the better legacy? Joe Calzaghe or Andre Ward?

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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzu must be slow this is getting embarrassing. ok you lost this one. no big deal. hopefully you will become a better poster from now on who doesnt rely on their own emotions and bias and you will start posting factually based posts. recover and come back better. dont become another larry who has lost his own mind inside of his confirmation bias.

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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz its probably better to just go away when you get owned so hard and have no comeback at all. come back tomorrow to spout more nonsense about how amazing ward is. :usa2:

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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzdude I am not reading them so stop I layed it all out for you you can not see though the hate.so stop wastin your time. what did you lay out??? you got layed out!

remember when ward said this? I'm just gonna be frank with you: He has to beat somebody, an A-level guy, to get a shot" and then fast foward to.... https://www.badlefthook.com/2013/8/10/4608994/hbo-rejects-andre-ward-vs-dimitri-sartison-fight Andre Ward and Dimitri Sartison were ready to go for September 28, with Ward defending his super middleweight crown against a former paper titlist and current fringe contender, with contracts ready to be signed. HBO, however, decided to pass on the fight, which means with no outlet, there's no fight. you see this is how you do an argument. you dont just say things with no evidence like you like to do. saying bute has to beat someone in order to get a fight with him then showing how he tried to fight unknown sartison. he was lying. he was ducking. he did not want to fight bute. thats called evidence. where is yours???

lol this is when you know you got owned. resorting to the not reading! because you know you dont want to read the truth. stay fantasy!!! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzdude I am not reading them so stop I layed it all out for you you can not see though the hate.so stop wastin your time.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz not even reading your long fiction books lol this is when you know you got owned. resorting to the not reading! because you know you dont want to read the truth. stay fantasy!!! you tell me to look something up. i do and then you ignore it haha you got owned. go to bed. then go to school. you have a lot to learn.

ok "john" you claimed ward never ducked down bute. how do you explain this? http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/7372586/andre-ward-lucian-bute-bout-looks-unlikely-time-being "So I don't have to go to Lucian Bute right now," Ward said. "We're going to sit back and I'm going to rest and we'll see what's next. I'm open for a Mikkel Kessler clash. I would love to get that rematch." I think I earned the right to pick the right fight for the right price." I'm just gonna be frank with you: He has to beat somebody, an A-level guy, to get a shot" ok so then you read that and you can poke holes in it all night. he wanted a kessler rematch instead of bute??? wtf is that? he earned the right to pick the right fight aka i'm going to cherry pick who i want when i want. he has to beat someone to get a shot...hmm ok cept he then went on to try and fight dmitri sartison. who did dmitri sartison fight to earn his shot? caught in a contradiction. aka thats bad!!!! aka hes lyign!!! aka hes ducking!!! you get how to form an argument now? you cant just say WARD NEVER DUCKED!!! thats your argument and its not based on anything but your own fanboy love. im not a fanboy. i owned you.

look what up??? shouldnt you be telling yourself that? you aren't posting any facts because you know you are wrong. all you have is your opinion but you cant really have an opinion on factually based things like bute being #1. he simply was. im sorry you dont like it. im a hater because i know facts? i already posted quotes of ward when he turned down the rematch. he pretended he called the shots when froch sells 80k tickets and he sells 8k. I'm not willing to come to Nottingham, I don't think I should have to" 'If this fight does happen, Froch is not dictating anything. He must have fell and bumped his head.' what kidn of sh-it is that? he refuses to fight in nottingham? why????? he just didn't want the fight. what else am i looking up? remember when you said ward beat the top 3 guys then i posted that bute was #1??? you see how you can't just talk out of your azz when people have facts against you? you will look stupid. unfortunately you are the one that is living in fantasy land because you are such a fanboy. you see any criticism as hate and just pretend its not real. so pathetic. you love ward i get it but the facts dont change based on how much you love ward and think hes so amazing. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz not even reading your long fiction books

Dude look it up I'm done trying to teach your dumb dence azz. Done got it. not gonna respond to your fantasyland POSTINGS ANYMORE look what up??? shouldnt you be telling yourself that? you aren't posting any facts because you know you are wrong. all you have is your opinion but you cant really have an opinion on factually based things like bute being #1. he simply was. im sorry you dont like it. im a hater because i know facts? i already posted quotes of ward when he turned down the rematch. he pretended he called the shots when froch sells 80k tickets and he sells 8k. I'm not willing to come to Nottingham, I don't think I should have to" 'If this fight does happen, Froch is not dictating anything. He must have fell and bumped his head.' what kidn of sh-it is that? he refuses to fight in nottingham? why????? he just didn't want the fight. what else am i looking up? remember when you said ward beat the top 3 guys then i posted that bute was #1??? you see how you can't just talk out of your azz when people have facts against you? you will look stupid. unfortunately you are the one that is living in fantasy land because you are such a fanboy. you see any criticism as hate and just pretend its not real. so pathetic. you love ward i get it but the facts dont change based on how much you love ward and think hes so amazing.

where is your proof??? your words arent proof sorry to say. you do realize simply saying something doesnt make it true right? you are saying things that are blatantly wrong over and over. i am posting things disproving you and you are ignoring it. he didnt have the chance to fight bute when he turned down the fight? do i have to get those links out for you? i thought it was common knowledge but i have to treat you like you were just born i suppose. i apologize for assuming you knew a little. Dude look it up I'm done trying to teach your dumb dence azz. Done got it. not gonna respond to your fantasyland POSTINGS ANYMORE

Dude u are only one living in other world. I have given you all kinds of proff,YOU JUST CANT SEE IT. NOW IM DONE TALKIN TO A FUKIN WALL.I have no idea what your like in everyday life or even other boxing topics BECAUSE ALL YOU TALK ABOUT WARD and how bad this undefeated fighter who has beat more top 10 guys then almost anyone of this era.(except may,pac maybe b hop.)now please don't talk anymore or quote me in this thread.When it comes to Ward at least you dence as hell where is your proof??? your words arent proof sorry to say. you do realize simply saying something doesnt make it true right? you are saying things that are blatantly wrong over and over. i am posting things disproving you and you are ignoring it. he didnt have the chance to fight bute when he turned down the fight? do i have to get those links out for you? i thought it was common knowledge but i have to treat you like you were just born i suppose. i apologize for assuming you knew a little.

money??? i thought that was the point of boxing? there was more money there and he didnt want it. why did ward have to stay in the usa for all his fights int he super six while froch traveled to 4 differnet countries??? he was protected his entire career like ive already explaiend to you. he shouldnt have been but he has that american backgroudn that gave him all the advantages and let him cheat and thats why hes a fraud. if he was boxing under neutral conditions hes nothing JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ what the hell did Ward do yo u.did he molest you as a kid or something?? every time I'm done you have 3 more quotes all sayin stupid s hite

oh ok so the refs were all great sure thing! :dance: all bute had to do was beat the count cept there was no count since the ref was paying attention to andrade and not bute. and pretty sure ward needed that ref to let him ko kovalev with low blows. any other competent ref would have penalized him. and lets not even bring up the kessler farce Again to your dence azz look at the fukin clock!!! When he went down there was less then 10 sec left.GET IT!!!!!!!!! U KNOW THEY KEEP CLOCK GOING WHEN YOU GO DOWN RIGHT?

are you pretending bute didnt offer ward a fight? you see how im posting things people said, articles, rankings etc...and you are posting nothing but your own jibberish? you cant just make up things like i said. im talking about reality. you are making up your own. Dude u are only one living in other world. I have given you all kinds of proff,YOU JUST CANT SEE IT. NOW IM DONE TALKIN TO A FUKIN WALL.I have no idea what your like in everyday life or even other boxing topics BECAUSE ALL YOU TALK ABOUT WARD and how bad this undefeated fighter who has beat more top 10 guys then almost anyone of this era.(except may,pac maybe b hop.)now please don't talk anymore or quote me in this thread.When it comes to Ward at least you dence as hell

why does he have to go to England?????You do know froch lost 1st fight right,Or in your mind I sup that was bad dec.lol money??? i thought that was the point of boxing? there was more money there and he didnt want it. why did ward have to stay in the usa for all his fights int he super six while froch traveled to 4 differnet countries??? he was protected his entire career like ive already explaiend to you. he shouldnt have been but he has that american backgroudn that gave him all the advantages and let him cheat and thats why hes a fraud. if he was boxing under neutral conditions hes nothing

Niether needed ref watch Bute Andrade when he went down there was no more then 8-11 secs left(cant remember which).Yes the ref TRIED to help him but all it did was get him a buch of s hite.All bute had too do was GET UP AND HE WON.Watch fight or just last half of last round and you will see.lmao I just said you would see but you cant see anything thru your hate. oh ok so the refs were all great sure thing! :dance: all bute had to do was beat the count cept there was no count since the ref was paying attention to andrade and not bute. and pretty sure ward needed that ref to let him ko kovalev with low blows. any other competent ref would have penalized him. and lets not even bring up the kessler farce