Would Andre Ward have had a similar / same KO% as GGG if he fought same opposition?

the guy couldnt even hurt or stop a 40 year old midget from a lower weight class in brand, are you ****ing kidding me? :lol1: LOL oh look what a surprise larry, red fox and the gang of race baiting fanboy retards vote yes! you have to admire their dedication if nothing else!

That aint your point, wasn't anything going to save kovalev but Toney Weeks. You just mad kovalev took a spankin:spank: My point is, I've seen boxers in similar situations or even worse situations recover and either win by making a comeback in their bout or at least box to a competitive outcome. Sergey Kovalev wasn't given the chance to recover and make a comeback because Tony Weeks decided on a premature stoppage. So none of us truly know what would've happened for sure. It's entirely speculative either way. If Tony Weeks allowed Kovalev to continue, then we would've found out and there wouldn't be such controversy. Why are you so concerned about Sergey Kovalev being saved in the first place? Wouldn't you rather Kovalev get beaten non-controversially by Andre Ward, rather than spontaneously showing all this care for Kovalev's safety (which seems fake based on your comments related to Kovalev)?

All of those things related to what could've happened after Kovalev looked hurt from taking legal punches are speculation. You could state that Kovalev would've been stopped anyway. I could just as justifiably claim that Kovalev could've recovered. However. the fact is: THE BOUT ENDED AFTER WARD LANDED A LOW BLOW ON KOVALEV! In other words, the final punch that was landed before the TKO occurred was a low blow. That's my point and that is totally inexcusable or indefensible. That aint your point, wasn't anything going to save kovalev but Toney Weeks. You just mad kovalev took a spankin:spank:

no he wont cause he wont be remembered. he had no popularity. if someone in the future did find out about him and popped in his fights you think they are going to be as kind to him as his current fanboys? no of course not. they arent going to have an emotional attachment to a guy they dont know. they are going to see him fouling nonstop and probably question his entire legacy. jeeez did ward drop u on your head as a kid

and the low blows ward hit kovalev with werent hard or loaded up? see this is why you are biased. they were both wrong but you have a completely different reaction to them. slowly worn down is your opinoin. i saw nothing like that. i saw kovalev in control of the fight, landing more, landing cleaner, and being occasionally bothered by some clear low punches in 7th and 8th that the ref ignored. you see those same punchs and think they are legal and hes being worn down. unfortunately you are on the wrong side. i can get the rules of boxing out if you need them to show low blows are in fact illegal. i can get weeks pre fight instructinos showing these punches were low according to him. i can get weeks warning ward that these punches are low in round 2. what more do you want? you call me bias thats laughable. that right their shows ur blind if you think those two shots were anything alike Judah did it because he was getting his azz kicked ward was already on his way to stoppage and Judah was MUCH harder wards had no bearing on fight it was already OVER. just like this conversation

Ward will be remembered as a superior boxer to Golovkin. End thread/ no he wont cause he wont be remembered. he had no popularity. if someone in the future did find out about him and popped in his fights you think they are going to be as kind to him as his current fanboys? no of course not. they arent going to have an emotional attachment to a guy they dont know. they are going to see him fouling nonstop and probably question his entire legacy.

Ward will be remembered as a superior boxer to Golovkin. End thread/

and that pick of Floyd was after getting hit with one of the hardest punches to the nuts ive everseen and also a rabit punch,i mean Judah just loaded up at let go.nothing like kov slowly getting worn down round after round and the low blows ward hit kovalev with werent hard or loaded up? see this is why you are biased. they were both wrong but you have a completely different reaction to them. slowly worn down is your opinoin. i saw nothing like that. i saw kovalev in control of the fight, landing more, landing cleaner, and being occasionally bothered by some clear low punches in 7th and 8th that the ref ignored. you see those same punchs and think they are legal and hes being worn down. unfortunately you are on the wrong side. i can get the rules of boxing out if you need them to show low blows are in fact illegal. i can get weeks pre fight instructinos showing these punches were low according to him. i can get weeks warning ward that these punches are low in round 2. what more do you want? you call me bias thats laughable.

Gee youre a whiny ass loser, always crying. Ward would easily beat GGG anybody with eyes and some boxing knowledge knows it, is why Team GGG wanted nothing to do with him. ah the anybody can tell argument. thats always a good one. so much depth to it. team ggg wanted nothing to do with him hmmm ok i can see you are happily in your bubble of bias and probably wont come out even if i explained how thats not true. you probably think ggg should have postponed the canelo-cotto fight to fight ward. he didnt accept wards offer he must be ducking! what was the offer? do you even know? was it contingent on postposting the cotto-canelo fight which was going to be ordered on nov 2015? yes or no. did ward want to fight in 2016? yes or not. did ward want another tune up efore facing ggg(?he just fought paul smith) yes or no? did he want 50-50 with an hbo star(hbo had already kicked off ward) and a bigger draw than him? yes or no? why would ggg sign a 2 fight deal when the cotto-canelo fight was supposed to be next? obv he had to operate on a fight by fight basis in order to see if it was next. why would he need 2 tune ups in a row to fight ggg? they were both available and ward once again was not ready. why would he stay silent for 4 years and only offer to fight ggg at the same time the wbc said they were going to order the fight? great timing ward! you see this is how smart unbiased people think. they dont look at headlines and fill in the blanks with their bias. if ward wanted the fight he sure as hell did some strange things to get it.

and that pick of Floyd was after getting hit with one of the hardest punches to the nuts ive everseen and also a rabit punch,i mean Judah just loaded up at let go.nothing like kov slowly getting worn down round after round

floyds body lang was obv he got broke and thats all http://www.espn.com/photo/2006/0412/pg2_a_mayweather_275.jpg you see this is why i dont take you seriously. you are using the way he reacted to being hit wih illegal punches as your argument that he was done. you dont think thats going to damage your credibility? you would never say floyd was done after judah did that to him would you? its different how? because the ref ignored the fouls makes it different? thats really your argument? you dont think thats a poor argument? my argument makes a lil more sense than yours. he had already recovered drastically in 20 seconds from when he was hurt so how can you say he was done? he was hit with low blows and the fight was stopped. you are using how he reacted to being hit low as a pretense to stop the fight? thats just so biased and silly couldnot care less what u think ur ob a fanboy of kov I tried to be nice an said "lets just agree to dis" but you just keep coming back with these long posts that sound like love letters to kov. I'm done have a good day

his body lang was obv he got broke and that's all floyds body lang was obv he got broke and thats all http://www.espn.com/photo/2006/0412/pg2_a_mayweather_275.jpg you see this is why i dont take you seriously. you are using the way he reacted to being hit wih illegal punches as your argument that he was done. you dont think thats going to damage your credibility? you would never say floyd was done after judah did that to him would you? its different how? because the ref ignored the fouls makes it different? thats really your argument? you dont think thats a poor argument? my argument makes a lil more sense than yours. he had already recovered drastically in 20 seconds from when he was hurt so how can you say he was done? he was hit with low blows and the fight was stopped. you are using how he reacted to being hit low as a pretense to stop the fight? thats just so biased and silly

beats the sh-it out of him with fouls? hes not better. if he was better he wouldnt have to foul constantly to beat opponents. he doesnt do that against brand or paul smith. only when challenged does he have to resort to illegal tactics which tells me his boxing isnt at the elite level at all. elite level promoting and protection sure but as a boxer hes quite mediocre. ggg the much better pure boxer. war the better take advantage of my sitution guy Gee youre a whiny ass loser, always crying. Ward would easily beat GGG anybody with eyes and some boxing knowledge knows it, is why Team GGG wanted nothing to do with him.

Yawn, easy thread. 1) Ishida? Macklin? Footage of Ward fighting such a low level of opposition is rare, it may not even exist on the internet, the last time he fought guys that level were in his early 20's. 2) Murray? The guy that couldn't even beat a 35 year old Abraham? Brook a blown up welter? ggg couldn't even KO Jacobs or Canelo. Dawson, Kovalev, both men never stopped, stopped by Ward. These guys are infinitely better than these men. 3) Brand drew with LHW Champion and hard hitter Badou Jack, also picked up a win over previously undefeated hard hitting Beketmirov. His resume is arguably better than Jacobs. Jacobs has never beaten or drawn with anybody as good as Beketmirov or Jack. Finally here is footage of Lemieux & Jacobs getting rocked/dropped by Rios 19% KO ratio & Mora 26% KO ratio http://www.gifable.net/gifVault/gf59cd747ee8959.gif https://i.makeagif.com/media/1-25-2016/7gOnX2.gif Ward would have a near 100% KO ratio fighting ggg's caliber of opposition. Now tell me how Rios & Mora hit harder than Ward lmao. Ward's KO ratio is even greater than Fonfara, the only man to stop iron chin-Chavez. There are numerous fighters which hit harder than ggg, Canelo fought him when he was drained, after getting stopped by Fonfara and even he couldn't hurt Chavez. https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--e5G18-Kb--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/xv4udsfsdrgu1sdunli0.gif 1) Explain how the likes of Alexander Brand, Allan Green, Sakio Bika and Edison Miranda are any better boxers with any better boxing records than Ishida? I've checked there records and nothing suggests they are better than Ishida. 2) Explain how the likes of Alexander Brand are better than Martin Murray. This is the same guy who was never stopped since or after fighting GGG. Even George Groves (a more proven power puncher at 168 pounds than Andre Ward) failed to stop him. GGG was the only one to stop him. So again, how wasn't that impressive, considering GGG was the only boxer to have ever stopped the previously unkoed Martin Murray? 3) Ward's stoppage over Kovalev was an illegitimate stoppage that happened after Andre Ward landed a low blow. Ergo, it doesn't count. This thread is about legitimate stoppages / knockouts. 4) Chad Dawson is the only one I'll give Andre Ward some credit for stopping. Even though he was weight drained. 5) Lol at Beketmirov. Majority of his wins are against opponents with losing records = bums. Daniel Jacobs beat the undefeated Peter Quillin = better than anything Alexander Brand accomplished in his career. Even David Lemieux is better than Alexander Brand, since he had beaten more top ranked opposition.

Ishida is trash,,Matthew Macklin?? really??? might as well post the Ward ko reel if thats the best you got..lol Ishida might be 'trash' and you might question Mathew Macklin. However, Alexander Brand, Henry Buchanan, Rodriguez and so forth so on aren't any better than the likes of Ishida or Mathew Macklin. Bare in mind that Ishida was never knocked out prior to fighting GGG and GGG not only knocked him out, but kniocked him out unconscious. Ergo, it is a more impressive knockout victory than any knockout feat of Andre Ward, since he never accomplished a feat like that before.

his body lang was obv he got broke and that's all

most the ringside media and most the fancards i've seen had kovalev up. i didnt see kov going south. you saw that with your bias. i saw ward increase the illegal tactics and kov get flustered but thats not going south as far as being "done" physically as you implied. he was recovered mostly. just watch the fight. right after he got hurt ward was landing some good free shots but 20 seconds later kov was moving around, slipping his shots and firing back. he had drastically improved just in 20 seconds yet you think he was done? that sounds like your bias is guiding you. dude you r blinded by your hate.and did not see media having kov up big not one. just let it go he lost and every fighter I seen talkin about it said he was done.

Ward is a skilled fighter but he's not a "knockout artist". He more or less gets in there, figures out his opponents weaknesses and eventually picks them apart. Its unfortunate that Ward's legacy might end with the 2 Kovalev fights. The controversy surrounding the first one didn't help nor did Kovalev's performance in the 2nd one.

that's quite the con theory not really just my opinion on what might have happened. why did weeks call the blows low in the 2nd round then suddenly stop in the 7th and 8th when they were just as low or lower? makes no sense of course. only reason i can think of is because he knew ward was struggling and prob down in the fight. he did the same thing in gacia-matthysse when garcia was struggling in teh first half he let a ton of clear low blows go without warning or penalty. then later in the fight when garcia had the fight won he took a point so its clear hes a "situational" ref and refs based on how the fight is playing out. or hes just insanely inconsistent but if thats the case why is he a ref?

don't think most had him winning clearly it was close but u could see kov was going south and I don't think he was recovered from right. but we are far apart on this so that's just agree to disagree most the ringside media and most the fancards i've seen had kovalev up. i didnt see kov going south. you saw that with your bias. i saw ward increase the illegal tactics and kov get flustered but thats not going south as far as being "done" physically as you implied. he was recovered mostly. just watch the fight. right after he got hurt ward was landing some good free shots but 20 seconds later kov was moving around, slipping his shots and firing back. he had drastically improved just in 20 seconds yet you think he was done? that sounds like your bias is guiding you.