Ward was willing to fight Floyd at 160 but not GGG

You cannot preserve your credibility if you are going to say that GGG has not fought anywhere near the caliber opponent that Ward has. Jacobs, Brook, Canelo are every bit as good or better than Froch, Kessler and Kovalev. Plenty of fighters have ducked GGG, can't recall anyone ducking Ward. With the lone exception of maybe Adonis Stevenson who is a joke. Ward's claim to fame is the 168 lb. tournament. Again, if GGG had that resume, I know his haters would be tearing apart Abraham, Kessler, Froch, Dawson, insisting they were bums and hype jobs had anyone else defeated them. But, as we circle to my opening question, which the consensus appears to be about money, that is, Ward would go to 160 to fight Floyd for the money, but not GGG at 160. If that is the excuse we are riding with, then we have the double-standard of the haters once again, because they claim GGG ducked Ward. So hypothetically, what if GGG refused to fight him at 168 because there was no money in it? Would GGG be let off the hook because he would rather fight Froch or Chavez Jr. for big money than Ward...who is not a draw on any night? Look at your second paragraph and ask yourself if you should be worrying about what other idiots think...worry about the truth. The truth is that Ward cleaned out his division no matter what any hater would think hypothetically. I don't know how you can argue that the competition is similar, lets agree to disagree about that one. i don't think my credability is challenged on that point lol, you might want to look in the mirror though. My argument is not who ducked who it is looking at the logic of the situation and the paucity of anything other than heresay, we don't have a clue regarding who ducked who...it just makes sense that if Ward is going up to fight Kovalev, who was universally considered a more dangerous opponent, and given that Ward never really ducked anyone, that he would not have a particular fear of Triple G. We will agree to disagree on the relative merits of Froch and other tough middle weights as I see no evidence that GGG is any better, and maybe not as good. I certainly don't think you can compare their competition, most people will tell you Ward fought much better comp. Finally I will once again use an example of a real fighter who Yo Yo'ed with his weight and paid a heavy price, that would be Roy Jones. Its not worth it and Ward would have every reason to believe GGG was not worth the risk of doing so.

Again you misunderstand the point...I even gave you another fighter for an example. I was showing you that heresay is not reliable, not that Ward needs an excuse for something said. There are more reliable means of assessing the truth content of a statement than what someone allegedly says... You and Daggum should get a room. You literally explained away every victory Ward ever achieved which makes you absurd and certainly illogical. You can explain away any fight sir! "Foreman would have murdered Ali he was hot and emotionally distraught"... "Tunney got a long count against Dempsey, Tunney was a fraud", and on and on we could go. You are usually in my estimation a decent poster, so let me just pounce lightly here: No matter how much you may detest a fighter it is silly to explain away more than a fight or two at most... If you thought about it you would probably see how silly this is...as in thought about it minus the haterade. GGG has never fought near the level of comp Ward fought...so you proceed to explain away all Ward's victories :frown::rofl: Come on Dempsey!! You cannot preserve your credibility if you are going to say that GGG has not fought anywhere near the caliber opponent that Ward has. Jacobs, Brook, Canelo are every bit as good or better than Froch, Kessler and Kovalev. Plenty of fighters have ducked GGG, can't recall anyone ducking Ward. With the lone exception of maybe Adonis Stevenson who is a joke. Ward's claim to fame is the 168 lb. tournament. Again, if GGG had that resume, I know his haters would be tearing apart Abraham, Kessler, Froch, Dawson, insisting they were bums and hype jobs had anyone else defeated them. But, as we circle to my opening question, which the consensus appears to be about money, that is, Ward would go to 160 to fight Floyd for the money, but not GGG at 160. If that is the excuse we are riding with, then we have the double-standard of the haters once again, because they claim GGG ducked Ward. So hypothetically, what if GGG refused to fight him at 168 because there was no money in it? Would GGG be let off the hook because he would rather fight Froch or Chavez Jr. for big money than Ward...who is not a draw on any night?

I think you have light HW who would try and cut an arm off to fight Mayweather too. I mean Maidana fought him twice and basically retire on those two paydays. I don't blame anyone that mentioned Mayweather's name to be honest.

So now we've reached the point where we make excuses for our favorite fighters? Maybe he was drunk, angry, sniffing glue? Sorry, but you cannot allow one fighter a pass for bold statements while crucifying another. The double-standards are weak. To say that GGG is not on Ward's level is another biased and unfounded argument. When you consider Ward's best win was a dirty scrap with Froch that went the distance, I beg to differ. Andre "Son of Judges" Ward's style is dependent upon dirty tactics, clinching, favoritism from judges and referees, and his reluctance to fight overseas. Mr. 32-0 gets way too much credit for winning fights he is supposed to win...a smaller brawler in Abraham who fights with his face, Kessler who he opened up four cuts to his face using elbows and head-butts, Dawson who came down from 168 and was weight drained, and a gift in the first Kov fight followed by continuous and unchallenged low-blows in the rematch. Die on your sword defending Son of Judges, but don't try to put up a smoke and mirrors show to convince us of his greatness. When the smoke clears and the mirrors are shattered, you left with a dirty, boring, fighter whose resume would be ripped to shreds if it were anyone else's resume. If GGG had the same names on his resume, you would all be ridiculing him and his wins, calling them bums and hype jobs. Again you misunderstand the point...I even gave you another fighter for an example. I was showing you that heresay is not reliable, not that Ward needs an excuse for something said. There are more reliable means of assessing the truth content of a statement than what someone allegedly says... You and Daggum should get a room. You literally explained away every victory Ward ever achieved which makes you absurd and certainly illogical. You can explain away any fight sir! "Foreman would have murdered Ali he was hot and emotionally distraught"... "Tunney got a long count against Dempsey, Tunney was a fraud", and on and on we could go. You are usually in my estimation a decent poster, so let me just pounce lightly here: No matter how much you may detest a fighter it is silly to explain away more than a fight or two at most... If you thought about it you would probably see how silly this is...as in thought about it minus the haterade. GGG has never fought near the level of comp Ward fought...so you proceed to explain away all Ward's victories :frown::rofl: Come on Dempsey!!

How do you know what Ward said or did? My point is if you look at the patterns of conduct by a fighter...its more logical than assuming something attributed to them is necessarily true. Maybe Ward was drunk (probably not) maybe he was joking, maybe he did not say it, or said it out of anger...You haven't a clue. If tomorrow Margarito was quoted as saying in his next fight he will box, use the jab, avoid unnecessary conflict using his boxing skills would you believe it? probably not. But the hate for a guy makes something absurd believable doesn't it? Let me tell you something one could write a new version of Dr Seuss' Green eggs and Ham for A hypothetical Ward GGG fight it could have Ward saying, "I will beat GGG in the rain, on a train, through a drain, indeed I like beating GGG, sam sam I am! GGG has nothing that suggests he is at Ward's level, or fights in a style that Ward would have problems with which is why this heresay is so ridiculous. So now we've reached the point where we make excuses for our favorite fighters? Maybe he was drunk, angry, sniffing glue? Sorry, but you cannot allow one fighter a pass for bold statements while crucifying another. The double-standards are weak. To say that GGG is not on Ward's level is another biased and unfounded argument. When you consider Ward's best win was a dirty scrap with Froch that went the distance, I beg to differ. Andre "Son of Judges" Ward's style is dependent upon dirty tactics, clinching, favoritism from judges and referees, and his reluctance to fight overseas. Mr. 32-0 gets way too much credit for winning fights he is supposed to win...a smaller brawler in Abraham who fights with his face, Kessler who he opened up four cuts to his face using elbows and head-butts, Dawson who came down from 168 and was weight drained, and a gift in the first Kov fight followed by continuous and unchallenged low-blows in the rematch. Die on your sword defending Son of Judges, but don't try to put up a smoke and mirrors show to convince us of his greatness. When the smoke clears and the mirrors are shattered, you left with a dirty, boring, fighter whose resume would be ripped to shreds if it were anyone else's resume. If GGG had the same names on his resume, you would all be ridiculing him and his wins, calling them bums and hype jobs.

It's a fair assessment. Each fighter wants to leverage an advantage over the other, that I get. But, for Ward to say he would come down to 160 for Floyd but not for GGG, is like GGG saying he will go to 175 for Kovalev but not 168 for Ward. Ward has meticulously navigated his short career to leverage any advantages an opponent might gain. Thus, he stalled his career for years and wasted his prime over endless negotiations and lawsuits with his promoter. When a man really wants to fight, he fights. Ward has always been salty about his career, and he himself lost interest in the sport of boxing years ago. A journeyman by the name of Darnell Boone is the one man who has fought both Kovalev and Ward and sparred with GGG. Having first hand experience with all three he felt GGG would have beaten Ward had they met. While that is purely speculation on his part, he is the most qualified to make that assessment. http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-boxing-gennady-golovkin-andre-ward-sergey-kovalev-darnell-boone-20160420-story.html He also hit the accelorator. If tomorrow the six top heavyweights had a tournament to decide the best, how far would that go? Catch weights do suck but ward cleaned out his division as well. And boxers are notorious poor predictors of picking winners, they are biased.

And people with biased viewpoints can't get out of their own way. Five paragraphs from you and still no valid reason for Ward to agree to fight Floyd at 160 but not GGG at 160. For a guy who comes off as intellectually superior, you sure have a difficult time with reading comprehension and answering a very simple question. As I have already pointed out, Ward was calling out GGG for wanting to fight smaller guys such as Canelo and Cotto--who happened to be MW champions at the time. Yet, Ward offers to fight a smaller opponent in both Floyd and GGG at weights that give him the upper hand. That is a chickenshyt move right there. Especially when he knew damn well he wasn't coming down in weight to fight either one of them. Ok let me splaine it to you... It is called questioning the fundamental premise of an argument to begin with. It is a very valid strategy for dealing with absurdity, like the notion that Ward has any overriding reason for taking a fight with another tough middle weight. Now do you understand what I am doing? :poke: How do you know what Ward said or did? My point is if you look at the patterns of conduct by a fighter...its more logical than assuming something attributed to them is necessarily true. Maybe Ward was drunk (probably not) maybe he was joking, maybe he did not say it, or said it out of anger...You haven't a clue. If tomorrow Margarito was quoted as saying in his next fight he will box, use the jab, avoid unnecessary conflict using his boxing skills would you believe it? probably not. But the hate for a guy makes something absurd believable doesn't it? Let me tell you something one could write a new version of Dr Seuss' Green eggs and Ham for A hypothetical Ward GGG fight it could have Ward saying, "I will beat GGG in the rain, on a train, through a drain, indeed I like beating GGG, sam sam I am! GGG has nothing that suggests he is at Ward's level, or fights in a style that Ward would have problems with which is why this heresay is so ridiculous.

I can't discuss boxing with somebody who doesn't understand that fighting at 168, not 175, would have had a seriously bad impact on Ward's performance and he looked like garbage in both those fights with Kovalev. Anywhere else but Vegas and the cheating **** would have lost twice. Got damn, quit trolling. Ight, I'm done discussing this.

Man, wow, can't even discuss boxing with someone as bias as you. And he was way better at 168, and was his weight in his prime. 175 Ward isn't the same as 168 Ward, and he still whooped up on the boogie man. I can't discuss boxing with somebody who doesn't understand that fighting at 168, not 175, would have had a seriously bad impact on Ward's performance and he looked like garbage in both those fights with Kovalev. Anywhere else but Vegas and the cheating **** would have lost twice.

Ward didn't deserve to win either of those fights and they happened at 175, not 168. Man, wow, can't even discuss boxing with someone as bias as you. And he was way better at 168, and was his weight in his prime. 175 Ward isn't the same as 168 Ward, and he still whooped up on the boogie man.

"anyone from 154-168" GGG is the a side. Always has been with ward.

How do you watch Ward/Kovalev, and give GGG even a slight chance? Not only does Kov hit harder, but he moves way better, and quicker than GGG, and is a legit, in and out, technical boxer with quickness in his hands, and feet. It's almost mind boggling, that you still think GGG would beat Ward. Ward didn't deserve to win either of those fights and they happened at 175, not 168.

If by "smoke his boots" .. you mean grab, hold, spoil, head butt, low blow and rabbit punch him for 12 rounds then get the decision from 3 corrupt American judges then yes, that would be a possibility. How do you watch Ward/Kovalev, and give GGG even a slight chance? Not only does Kov hit harder, but he moves way better, and quicker than GGG, and is a legit, in and out, technical boxer with quickness in his hands, and feet. It's almost mind boggling, that you still think GGG would beat Ward.

post it then... Cliff notes... "I'm not a dude that lies...I could literally pull that up right now...between Roc Nation and Tom Loeffler, the fight was offered 50/50...every detail was 50/50...the weight, everything..." So 50/50 on the money and the weight. What is 50/50 on the weight...that's 164.

Put this sh1t to rest already. Never. The summer of 2015 will live in boxing lore forever

#WardRuinsLives That's all you got? You guys use the 154-168 line all the time, this thread exposes your hypocrisy.

Put this sh1t to rest already.

He sure did. post it then...

lets try to explain this one more time in simplest terms for the golovkin jizz juicers floyd="everybody has limits...160 is too far for me"....floyd never tried to negotiate a fight with any 160lb fighter...hence that was fantasy and was never going to happen...not feasible or possible golovkin="anyone from 154-168"...tried to negotiate 168 fights with froch and chavez....when the top guy at 168 came calling he tucked tail and said "no" in a half hour...."ward he too good"...totally reasonable and feasible fight that golovkin dodged

lol..wtf Ward never offered 164... He sure did.