He always has issues no matter what it seems, he trained for three months for the GGG fight and still gassed. Meanwhile GGG at 35 set a tempo Canelo struggled to keep up with.
Maybe he's mostly a fast twitch muscle guy? Most of the fighters with good stamina tend to have a moderately sized musculature, i.e. not too bulky, GGG, Floyd, Margarito have stringy physiques with a mix of slow and fast twitch muscle fibres.
Is Canelo one of these guys?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2308940/Marathon-running-Its-genes-How-fifth-lack-right-make-compete-long-distances.html
Professor Timmons said: ‘From our work, we know that 20 per cent of people do not respond at all to training and in fact can get worse. They push themselves as hard as everyone else, but their muscles do not extract the same amount of oxygen.
He told The Sunday Telegraph: ‘It is plausible that by pushing it though training, they get a maladaptation. What is clear is that there is no one recipe that fits all.
‘These low aerobic responders would be better going to the gym to build up their strength and muscle tissue or taking up other competitive sports like martial arts or strength related sports.'
The test looks at genes which remodel muscle fibres to allow small blood vessels to grow in between and carry oxygen to the muscles during exercise.
The research by Loughborough University was released a week before the London Marathon 2013
The research by Loughborough University was released a week before the London Marathon 2013
Those that have the right combination of these genes can respond to regular intense aerobic exercise such as long distance running.
The 20 per cent who are ill-suited to marathon training have genes that do not remodel effectively under regular high intensity training their body’s ability to get oxygen to their muscles can even be reduced, resulting in a reduction in performance.
Thanks. It's annoying seeing other posters on here not sharing the same sentiment on Canelo. Especially Larry and friends who take up this crazed illogical fanboy argument (when laid bare, basically meaning using constant full range of motion landing the bare minimum to then do everything physically or not even legally possible to not exchange/fight) that anyone on the TBE side of the tracks are greatly skilled cause their "slick".. More like sly in subverting the will of the fight they took by 1. Acting like they are fighters 2. Pretending they are ring geniuses
Canelo is one big lie. By that I mean he is a lightweight in the realm of warrior and competitive guts he says and is said to have. The guy is ending up like "The Gift" Danny Garcia where they both are just not anything great. Frankly, I think both guys would do better if they took themselves to the brink of giving it all they had and using aggressive momentum. But let's face it, I don't think they have the stones or character for that matter to risk looking like trash if whatever opponent just beat them down. Say what you will about someone like Paulie, he at least took no liberties whatsoever and was "there" to fight the entire fight looking for every opportunity to have success. Sure that ended up meaning some vicious punishment in fights he never was going to win (Hatton, Cotto, Khan) but least he left it all on the field in the sense of what he could muster offensively.
I laughed when people actually thought he would give mayweather a tough fight lol
He just isn't that talented at that elite level and while he's not a mental midget like a golota or victor ortiz, he tends to go into a shell when he's getting hit. he was getting backed up by lil floyd's right hands.
This is a very good post.
Thanks. It's annoying seeing other posters on here not sharing the same sentiment on Canelo. Especially Larry and friends who take up this crazed illogical fanboy argument (when laid bare, basically meaning using constant full range of motion landing the bare minimum to then do everything physically or not even legally possible to not exchange/fight) that anyone on the TBE side of the tracks are greatly skilled cause their "slick".. More like sly in subverting the will of the fight they took by 1. Acting like they are fighters 2. Pretending they are ring geniuses
Canelo is one big lie. By that I mean he is a lightweight in the realm of warrior and competitive guts he says and is said to have. The guy is ending up like "The Gift" Danny Garcia where they both are just not anything great. Frankly, I think both guys would do better if they took themselves to the brink of giving it all they had and using aggressive momentum. But let's face it, I don't think they have the stones or character for that matter to risk looking like trash if whatever opponent just beat them down. Say what you will about someone like Paulie, he at least took no liberties whatsoever and was "there" to fight the entire fight looking for every opportunity to have success. Sure that ended up meaning some vicious punishment in fights he never was going to win (Hatton, Cotto, Khan) but least he left it all on the field in the sense of what he could muster offensively.
I thought he ended that fight looking strong.
If his stamina was suspect 100% GGG would've stopped him. That pressure is insane. Matt Macklin obviously not as good as Canelo but a decent fighter mentioned how he was blowing simply because of the amount of pressure GGG puts you in and he got stopped in 3! The guy always seems to be in a position to punch folks. Canelo is an incredible fighter. He did a great job for me. Albeit, I still think he lost by a few rounds.
He's going to have to change. He won't be able to hang with the elite fighters in the Middleweight division if he doesn't.
Maybe. He can't back up like he did against Golovkin. It's one thing to fight off your back foot and look to counter, it's a whole other thing to back pedal out of danger with no chance to counter. It just don't look good.
I don't think it is entirely genetics. I think there are multiple factors that contribute to his stamina. Draining weight is the primary one. Any time a fighter has to drain down two or more weight classes to fight he is going to suffer with stamina issues. Canelo wants to walk around at 175-185 and fight at 154/160. Genetically, he has a thick mesomorph body type that carries more heavy muscle. I'm sure his training regiment is partly to blame as well. The older he gets, it won't get easier.
It's not only his stamina.
He doesn't have much pop in his punches.
At least, Pacquaio, for example, could momentarily stop the big guy in his tracks. Like blasting a terminator in the movie.
How can Cnelo even beat a bigger guy like Jacobs?
Cnelo should be working with Heredia to improve not only his stamina but put some bombs on those fists.
It's obvious why he has piss poor stamina. It's because of the way he fights. He prioritizes way too much explosive moves with his combinations and defensive manuevers. He doesn't have the skill or calm cool temperament to fight in a phone booth, slipping shots by centimeters, with slight smooth calculations. Instead he uses every muscle in his body, from his feet to his head, to explosively make a quick strenuous move rather than a well timed smooth calculation that prioritizes conservative technical ability. IMO he's going to burn himself out and crash and burn the way he fights. Well unless he returns to 155. Beyond that though he won't last above 154, he just doesn't have that 3rd gear, let alone 4th or 5th gear to get the job done whether its winning every crucial exchange when behind on points or taking out a wounded opponent. He doesn't have that kind of power to continue being a defensive first guy.
Very very good post! His boxing style uses up a lot of energy to begin with.
No. It is an issue in his conditioning. It probably does not help that he fights just 2x a year. Who knows how well he stays in shape in between fights. But it is a problem that needs to be solved by his team.
It's obvious why he has piss poor stamina. It's because of the way he fights. He prioritizes way too much explosive moves with his combinations and defensive manuevers. He doesn't have the skill or calm cool temperament to fight in a phone booth, slipping shots by centimeters, with slight smooth calculations. Instead he uses every muscle in his body, from his feet to his head, to explosively make a quick strenuous move rather than a well timed smooth calculation that prioritizes conservative technical ability. IMO he's going to burn himself out and crash and burn the way he fights. Well unless he returns to 155. Beyond that though he won't last above 154, he just doesn't have that 3rd gear, let alone 4th or 5th gear to get the job done whether its winning every crucial exchange when behind on points or taking out a wounded opponent. He doesn't have that kind of power to continue being a defensive first guy.
This is a very good post.
I think that's the key. Someone who can put constant pressure, while keeping a high work rate. By pressure I mean Chavez sr. vs Rosario pressure. Cut off the ring and be on his ass, not letting him rest.
I think you're right, Cotto has had a similar stamina issue and he uses explosive movements as well.
And even comparing those two, Cotto is much more conservative in his ring movements. Some guys who are in a class of their own as amazing athletes or even just their physical build, can get away with a turbulent free wheeling style. Some of these guys that come to mind is Mosley, Floyd, Pacquiao, they all could throw a thousand punches a night in their haye day. Well Canelo, in his respective prime, is not the same animal as those guys. He should take notes from experienced superiors to himself like Chavez Sr, Duran and even Golovkin. All physically big guys that were able to emody a style that moved like water. Canelos biggest flaw is he doesn't understand momentum. You have to be a ferocious competitor to be great and that comes with taking no liberties in giving your opponent an unnessecary edge. But yea with Cotto he genuinely has to be explosive, especially when its against a 180lb guy in Canelo, to stay competitve/safe. Cotto is a tiny 154lber IMO
It's obvious why he has piss poor stamina. It's because of the way he fights. He prioritizes way too much explosive moves with his combinations and defensive manuevers. He doesn't have the skill or calm cool temperament to fight in a phone booth, slipping shots by centimeters, with slight smooth calculations. Instead he uses every muscle in his body, from his feet to his head, to explosively make a quick strenuous move rather than a well timed smooth calculation that prioritizes conservative technical ability. IMO he's going to burn himself out and crash and burn the way he fights. Well unless he returns to 155. Beyond that though he won't last above 154, he just doesn't have that 3rd gear, let alone 4th or 5th gear to get the job done whether its winning every crucial exchange when behind on points or taking out a wounded opponent. He doesn't have that kind of power to continue being a defensive first guy.
I think you're right, Cotto has had a similar stamina issue and he uses explosive movements as well.
It's obvious why he has piss poor stamina. It's because of the way he fights. He prioritizes way too much explosive moves with his combinations and defensive manuevers. He doesn't have the skill or calm cool temperament to fight in a phone booth, slipping shots by centimeters, with slight smooth calculations. Instead he uses every muscle in his body, from his feet to his head, to explosively make a quick strenuous move rather than a well timed smooth calculation that prioritizes conservative technical ability. IMO he's going to burn himself out and crash and burn the way he fights. Well unless he returns to 155. Beyond that though he won't last above 154, he just doesn't have that 3rd gear, let alone 4th or 5th gear to get the job done whether its winning every crucial exchange when behind on points or taking out a wounded opponent. He doesn't have that kind of power to continue being a defensive first guy.
His stamina actually improved a bit at 160 since he didn't have to drain himself to go all the way down to below 154. Also, one tends to improve on stamina as they get a bit older.
I think that he can improve a bit in this area but as some have said, not everyone is born with great stamina.
I don't think he puts in the road work
I agree. Especially when he was doing his own division thing. That just showed me that he wasn't willing to go the extra mile. It feeds onto your brain.
Canelo can if he wants to but he doesn't have the discipline to do so. A lot of it is mental. I can tell you from experience, you have to push yourself to go past that wall.
I think so. He is a very dedicated boxer who loves boxing. He trains very hard and takes care of himself at all times. The stamina you see is the stamina he has. Some humans just have more or less stamina that others even if they both train equally hard.
Maybe. I think there are floors & ceilings in all our DNA's that help you out sometimes & can hurt you other times.
I mean think about a guy like Bo Jackson. Guy competed at a high level in two sports for a time. That dude had a high f#cking ceiling in some categories that most of us just aren't going to have. And thats not to say he didn't put some time in to get at that high level, but idk that most cats could reach the level Bo reached with 2x as much time to work on it.
Bo Jackson doesn't relate to this topic at all, this is about endurance. But bo was dope