casual fans thinks cotto is easy to beat.

Cotto IS a great fighter, he just didn't have a well-managed career. People criticize Floyd for managing his fights, but Cotto let Bob Arum do it which hurt his career a lot. He could've made a lot more money, fought all sorts of different guys instead of fighting just top rank guys and also got these big fights when he was still in his prime. It's a real shame that his prime was cut-short the way that it was. Arum damaged him a lot by putting him in there with loaded gloves Bumgarito. I think his career would've been immeasurably better if he didn't have to go through that. Even still if you look at the fact he's still fighting now and has had some good wins and good performances even in defeat that's a plus when considering his career. From a fans perspective he's fought everyone we wanted him to as well. Fans should respect him. He's gave us a lot of great performances.

Thurman and Brook are just naturally bigger. Thurman has a unique skill set and he has one-punch knockout power. Canelo hasn't beaten anyone in his career that imposes the problems Thurman imposes. With Brook, size will be a factor. Brook is just too big. Crawford would be like Mayweather vs Cotto but Crawford would stop him like he stopped Diaz. I hear ya bro, But since Thurman's level of competition has risen he has no "one-punch knockout power". I think a prime Cotto can handle Brook at welter. At super Welter, i'm not so sure, but I like his chances. Crawford would stop him? Ok let's see the last dudes that Crawford KO; Dulorme, Deirry Jean, Lundy, Molina, Postol, Diaz & Indongo. Not to take anything away from Bud, but Cotto stands taller than any of those guys at Jr Welter. anyone here agrees that Felix Diaz is similar to Cotto??? I just don't see it. Look at Cotto's jr welter resume it is a good one.

Regarding Thurman,What does fighting off the back foot does for him over Cotto. If anything Thurman leans to much when throwing the right, something Danny could've capitalize on but he was so tentative that he never did anything. Remember how Danny was pressing him in the late rounds, Cotto would've done a way better job. Hmmm...I do recall Cotto landing a lot of jabs on Canelo (that is tha prime reason I have GGG beating Canelo). I don't think Brooks beat a prime welter wgt Cotto. Diaz is similar to Cotto? in what way??? Crawford needs to fight at welter first & then we will analyze. Remember this is no video game (no disrespect intended) Thurman and Brook are just naturally bigger. Thurman has a unique skill set and he has one-punch knockout power. Canelo hasn't beaten anyone in his career that imposes the problems Thurman imposes. With Brook, size will be a factor. Brook is just too big. Crawford would be like Mayweather vs Cotto but Crawford would stop him like he stopped Diaz.

Cotto isn't necessarily easy to beat. Styles make fights and if you can't cope against a good jab, you can't beat Cotto. He has a great jab, if you can limit its effectiveness, you'll find it manageable to beat Cotto.

Thurman is more athletic, better footwork, defense, can fight pff the back door. Brook would use his jab like Canelo did and out box him. Crawford disposed of Diaz pretty easily like, who is very similar to Cotto, so yeah I would favor them over him Regarding Thurman,What does fighting off the back foot does for him over Cotto. If anything Thurman leans to much when throwing the right, something Danny could've capitalize on but he was so tentative that he never did anything. Remember how Danny was pressing him in the late rounds, Cotto would've done a way better job. Hmmm...I do recall Cotto landing a lot of jabs on Canelo (that is tha prime reason I have GGG beating Canelo). I don't think Brooks beat a prime welter wgt Cotto. Diaz is similar to Cotto? in what way??? Crawford needs to fight at welter first & then we will analyze. Remember this is no video game (no disrespect intended)

So you really think Thurman beats a prime welter Cotto? Really? I think cotto boxes better than Danny, hits harder than danny & you so Thurman back pedaling for the last 3 rounds. Cotto for sure will not be hesitant a la Danny. You think Brooks beats a prime welter Cotto? Based on what? Spence destroys a prime welter Cotto? Based on what? Cause he beat Brooks? And Crawford hasn't even fought at welter. Lets slowdown a little & see what these guys accomplish. I mean love Bud, but like everyone likes to dissect a fighters accomplishments, Indongo is no better than Clottey... Thurman is more athletic, better footwork, defense, can fight pff the back door. Brook would use his jab like Canelo did and out box him. Crawford disposed of Diaz pretty easily like, who is very similar to Cotto, so yeah I would favor them over him

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Casuals are casuals, who cares about their 2 cents. Losses don't define a fighter, you can't take people seriously who make absolute statements of a fighter based on one loss or even one win. Boxing is more complex than that - styles make fights. Cotto is an elite fighter who is a lock HOF'er and will also be considered an ATG. He's a complete fighter with no real weakness, and his textbook execution is a great example for new fighters to follow. If Cotto wasn't as great as he was prime, the wins Margarito and Manny have over him wouldn't be nearly as significant. The greatest fighters have losses, anyone who puts an undefeated record over other aspects of measuring a fighter is either someone who DKSAB, or an agenda driven ****boi who is a step away from grasping straws in a losing argument. Golovkin has the talent to go down as one of the greatest ever. They are both complete fighters with no real weakness or deficiency. Golovkin is naturally bigger, and while I'm a big believer in weight differences being overrated, in cases like this, it can make a difference. Saying Golovkin can beat Cotto, even easily, isn't a knock on Cotto, it's about how good Golovkin really is. Good post! Preach to them...brother!

None of those guys are A-Level. Replace Cotto with Thurman, Brook, Crawford, and Spence and the results would be the same. So you really think Thurman beats a prime welter Cotto? Really? I think cotto boxes better than Danny, hits harder than danny & you so Thurman back pedaling for the last 3 rounds. Cotto for sure will not be hesitant a la Danny. You think Brooks beats a prime welter Cotto? Based on what? Spence destroys a prime welter Cotto? Based on what? Cause he beat Brooks? And Crawford hasn't even fought at welter. Lets slowdown a little & see what these guys accomplish. I mean love Bud, but like everyone likes to dissect a fighters accomplishments, Indongo is no better than Clottey...

When people say someone is making the fight more entertaining they are lying. It's always been the same to hit and not get hit. If your getting hit you're losing. Saying nonsense like that is not different than smiling after getting hit, because that doesn't hurt of course. We know better. thank you sir, this is what im saying!..only way this is true is connor/floyd but thats a different thing all together

i just cant see floyd getting a bloody nose and making a fight harder on purpose to entertain fans hes never cared about in all of his fights post oscar minus connor When people say someone is making the fight more entertaining they are lying. It's always been the same to hit and not get hit. If your getting hit you're losing. Saying nonsense like that is not different than smiling after getting hit, because that doesn't hurt of course. We know better.

when i went mma forums or other sports forum many people think miguel cotto as kinda bum. i even saw that some conor fans thought mcgregor will beat cotto at early round. maybe thats because cotto fought pacquiao,maweather,canelo and lost, casual fans only see big fights, and saw only cotto lost. that's why many guys think he is kinda b- class fighter.it's kinda sad.. but real fans know this mofo is tough.. Casuals are casuals, who cares about their 2 cents. Losses don't define a fighter, you can't take people seriously who make absolute statements of a fighter based on one loss or even one win. Boxing is more complex than that - styles make fights. Cotto is an elite fighter who is a lock HOF'er and will also be considered an ATG. He's a complete fighter with no real weakness, and his textbook execution is a great example for new fighters to follow. If Cotto wasn't as great as he was prime, the wins Margarito and Manny have over him wouldn't be nearly as significant. The greatest fighters have losses, anyone who puts an undefeated record over other aspects of measuring a fighter is either someone who DKSAB, or an agenda driven ****boi who is a step away from grasping straws in a losing argument. He sure would've been easy for Golovkin to beat :boxing: Golovkin has the talent to go down as one of the greatest ever. They are both complete fighters with no real weakness or deficiency. Golovkin is naturally bigger, and while I'm a big believer in weight differences being overrated, in cases like this, it can make a difference. Saying Golovkin can beat Cotto, even easily, isn't a knock on Cotto, it's about how good Golovkin really is.

cotto will stop conor. anyways off topic, but i always hear fighters that fought cotto that says he's a very hard puncher, floyd said it, pac said it, but it seems like his punches doesnt phase his opponents at all. marg took his best shot, smile and came forward, was never dropped once. kamegai, same thing, took cotto's best shot and still came forward. Margaretardo got rocked in the second fight actually.

Pretty sure either Floyd himself or Sr. said he was trying to entertain the fans by letting Cotto put in some work (after facing a lot of criticism for "running"). You can say he was lying. However, judging by how badly he schooled Guerrero and Canelo in subsequent fights with his usual style, I think it's pretty plausible. i just cant see floyd getting a bloody nose and making a fight harder on purpose to entertain fans hes never cared about in all of his fights post oscar minus connor

I've been on these forums for a while. 2004. I've been a fan of the sport for way before that. I'm from Panama. Grew up w boxing in my life. With that being said, it amazes me how so many people disrespect these guys because they lose a fight. I'd rather lose a fight to a HOFr than beat the BUM champion of the world. As fans we got to be better than that. Cotto is a fantastic boxer/fighter. I've enjoyed all his fights. He comes in prepared. Always respectful. Doesn't except losses well but that's fine. He a competitor. In the heat of the moment emotions can make us do things. He's always been class. Even if you don't think he was the best he fought the best. Beating Sergio was fantastic. It's not cotto's problem if his opposition knee was suspect. It's the opposition that needs to make sure it's not. His fight against Canelo I thought was closer but I give Canelo the nod. After hearing the spread I understand why he was pissed. Respect to all these guys. Especially the guys that fight the best. Mosley is a HOF boxer. Cotto beat him. Was it prime Mosley, no, but plenty dangerous. Looked dangerous to me when he hurt Floyd. When he crushed margarito. We need more cotto's. He beat the same sloppy Geale that GGG beat. Yet GGG get all this credit for being a monster. Cotto finished him in similar fashion. We got to do better around here. On a side note, I've always been a lurker. Like to read comments see how passionate us fans can be. How loyal to a fault. It's impressive. And fun. We have a lot of new members , welcome to the boards. This is a great time to be a fan.

Pretty sure either Floyd himself or Sr. said he was trying to entertain the fans by letting Cotto put in some work (after facing a lot of criticism for "running"). You can say he was lying. However, judging by how badly he schooled Guerrero and Canelo in subsequent fights with his usual style, I think it's pretty plausible. fair enough...but i was under the understanding that it was because his father was training him and not roger or vice versa ...with one of them training him more stationary or the fact that it was at 154 which made him less mobile but honestly guerrero was trash and canelo was a young man and drained ...maybe just give cotto some credit here as he fought a hell of a fight with his great jab (floyds kryptonite?)

say whaaaat how do you figure that? mayweather let cotto who he says was one of the hardest punchers ..punch him in the face? Pretty sure either Floyd himself or Sr. said he was trying to entertain the fans by letting Cotto put in some work (after facing a lot of criticism for "running"). You can say he was lying. However, judging by how badly he schooled Guerrero and Canelo in subsequent fights with his usual style, I think it's pretty plausible.

All? Not so... Margarito II, Sergio Martinez, Mosley, Zab None of those guys are A-Level. Replace Cotto with Thurman, Brook, Crawford, and Spence and the results would be the same.

He may not be easy to beat, but, at the same time, he never won a big fight other than against a one-legged Sergio (unless you want to count a past-his-prime Mosley). Are we supposed to remember him as a destroyer after seeing what Pac did to him? The only reason he fought a somewhat close fight with Floyd is because Floyd let him. I thought Canelo clearly beat him, so I am not among those who thought it was that close of a fight. say whaaaat how do you figure that? mayweather let cotto who he says was one of the hardest punchers ..punch him in the face?

Cotto would stop Conor inside 2 rounds easy, he punches way harder than Mayweather. Cotto is a top 10 fighter from the floyd/pacquiao era