Chocolatito was always overrated

Who did you have as #1 at the time? Ward.......

I was never high on him, only the haters of other fighters had him #1. He never was. Who did you have as #1 at the time?

I was never high on him, only the haters of other fighters had him #1. He never was.

I never used it before but now I'm just going to start ignoring everyone that says anything like this, assuming they are either trolling and wasting my life on purpose, don't know what they're talking about and wasting my life by accident, or are too deluded to reason with and still just wasting my damn life anyway.

He wasn't overrated. It's hard to lose your belt and then motivate yourself again to get back to the top again. The first loss just sucked all the confidence out of him.

Roman own titles in four weight classes. Ward loved to LHW by demanding a catch weight for journeyman Paul Smith. I saw your other responses so I got you views. Just remember who is p4p #1.

Ward went up and beat the man in the division above his. Not once but twice. Roman own titles in four weight classes. Ward loved to LHW by demanding a catch weight for journeyman Paul Smith.

What does Ward have to do with this thread? And what has Ward done that eclipses Gonzalez? Remain undefeated? That appears to be the only criteria for greatness among the casuals. Ward went up and beat the man in the division above his. Not once but twice.

this shit thread right here, boy!

I'm not the one calling Kov a bum, but a lot of Ward fans did/do. Not sure how he gets so much credit for beating a guy they claim is a hype job. Roman does have a better resume. Cuadras and Estrada are better P4P than Kov and Froch. Viloria is better than Dawson, Bika, Allan Green and the rest of the cans that Ward beat in his 32 fights. ok man u right..........

lol so now roman has a better resume than ward and kov is a bum, gotcha, have a good day brother I'm not the one calling Kov a bum, but a lot of Ward fans did/do. Not sure how he gets so much credit for beating a guy they claim is a hype job. Roman does have a better resume. Cuadras and Estrada are better P4P than Kov and Froch. Viloria is better than Dawson, Bika, Allan Green and the rest of the cans that Ward beat in his 32 fights.

What better names? Froch, Kovalev? You guys need to make you your minds. First Kovalev is an overrated bum, now all of the sudden he's an elite class world-beater just because Ward has two victories over him...one gift and one dirty fight. The rest of Ward's resume is spotty. Abraham is a B-rate brawler, Dawson was drained at 168 and was never a great fighter to begin with. He fouled the shyt out Kessler, opened up four cuts on his head/face with elbows and headbutts. Gonzalez is a champ in four weight classes. Got robbed in his previous loss and basically aged overnight. Smaller weight classes age quicker. They don't carry their speed with them as they hit 30 and older. He has 16 more fights than Ward too. Don't think those fights won't age you faster. lol so now roman has a better resume than ward and kov is a bum, gotcha, have a good day brother

he moved up in weight and won fights against the top in the division. and his resume is way better, roman is good but are u seriously asking that question? What better names? Froch, Kovalev? You guys need to make you your minds. First Kovalev is an overrated bum, now all of the sudden he's an elite class world-beater just because Ward has two victories over him...one gift and one dirty fight. The rest of Ward's resume is spotty. Abraham is a B-rate brawler, Dawson was drained at 168 and was never a great fighter to begin with. He fouled the shyt out Kessler, opened up four cuts on his head/face with elbows and headbutts. Gonzalez is a champ in four weight classes. Got robbed in his previous loss and basically aged overnight. Smaller weight classes age quicker. They don't carry their speed with them as they hit 30 and older. He has 16 more fights than Ward too. Don't think those fights won't age you faster.

What does Ward have to do with this thread? And what has Ward done that eclipses Gonzalez? Remain undefeated? That appears to be the only criteria for greatness among the casuals. he moved up in weight and won fights against the top in the division. and his resume is way better, roman is good but are u seriously asking that question?

hes a good fighter , just got beat up, he won the first fight

You see how great Ward is to do what he has done? What does Ward have to do with this thread? And what has Ward done that eclipses Gonzalez? Remain undefeated? That appears to be the only criteria for greatness among the casuals.

Didn't even know who he was at first. I thought they're talking about Quillin or something. Then I watched his fight with Viloria, who I knew is no longer in his prime. Nothing impressive. He's one of those fighters who have to be punished before getting a win. The guy struggles way too much. I always knew he won't last with that style. Come on, whoever hypes this guy has some kind of agenda or something.

Can BS create a new lounge for members that have some credibility? Forum votes for initial members of say 20 posters, than other adequate members get invited so that folks can have some grown up boxing talk? Thats a great idea

He never unified a division. He never cleaned a division. He only has 3 elite rivals in all his career: Estrada drained 4 pounds, Cuadras, that whooped his ass, and his daddy Sor Rungvisai. This guy has a soft career. He was bullying small guys and now vs fighters of his own size he got exposed.

He was beat before he got in the ring. When he stopped the action in the first rd to complain of an accidental headbutt and stopped the action in the 2nd rd to complain of a borderline low blow he was already looking for the ref to save him. Or Maybe, he recognized that the cut caused by the headbut in the first fight influenced the judged, and he was looking for the referee to pay more attention, so there would be less of a chance for him to get headbutt.