Just For The Record, MMA Fan...

I personally think MMA fans (and McConor fans, specifically) embarrassed themselves before and after this event. Even something as FACTUAL as: 'The best MMA fighter cannot go a 12 round fight' they still deny. I think we see that the boxing fans are much, much more hardcore. That MMA fans are casuals who know little about their own sport, let alone boxing, or they have an agenda and won't man up. Most people that I know, who were on the fence going in to this fight, now rock with boxing due to how the MMA fans conducted themselves. In the end, we all know what happened. There is no denying that in the history of combat sports, no human being talked so much sh*t and delivered so little as this McConor guy, This That fight might have actually hurt MMA's reputation. All these MMA casuals thinking MMA fighters are the best fighters in the world, could take on anyone. Well surprise surprise mother****er, it's not that simple.

Funny how Floyd fans have turned into GGG fans. "He let him hit him because he wasn't afraid of his power and he couldn't hurt him." :lol1: Hilarious. Good point...

I personally think MMA fans (and McConor fans, specifically) embarrassed themselves before and after this event. Even something as FACTUAL as: 'The best MMA fighter cannot go a 12 round fight' they still deny. I think we see that the boxing fans are much, much more hardcore. That MMA fans are casuals who know little about their own sport, let alone boxing, or they have an agenda and won't man up. Most people that I know, who were on the fence going in to this fight, now rock with boxing due to how the MMA fans conducted themselves. In the end, we all know what happened. There is no denying that in the history of combat sports, no human being talked so much sh*t and delivered so little as this McConor guy,

I think a 100yard dash guy is wasting his time training for stamina to take a look at an extreme example. I think it'd be wasted training time for a 15min athletic event to. And I mean how many amateurs come into pro boxing ready for even 6 rds let alone 10 or 12? Not a whole lot. That would suggest to me not a whole lot of amateur boxers are training for stamina either. I think there would be things much more important to work on when your sport has a short duration of time for a event. Again, stamina is just one issue. Even so, with some of the ground and pound that goes on in MMA, more stamina would definitely be a plus. Being able to throw a higher volume of punches and kicks without gassing is going to be an advantage usually.

I think its bigger than that in general. Most MMA fights last 15 minutes. Its a faster pace, its a 4 round boxing match basically (minus a minute). Only champions + guys who are in the main event of a show have 5 round fights...and largely those fights don't go 5 rounds so stamina isn't even a thing in MMA really like it is in boxing. Why would a MMA guy develop stamina that he'll not need unless he becomes a draw that headlines or a champion? He wouldn't. There are much more beneficial things to learn in the gym when the possibilities are endless as to what your next opponent could come at with. Although speaking on Conor specifically I believe he's just a front runner type fighter like Tyson who's either gonna get you outta there early or struggle. I would think better stamina is a plus in any athletic endeavor. More stamina means you can have an even higher workrate which has to be an advantage, even in a shorter fight. But, stamina is just one issue. Among others are punching and punch resistance, both of which can be improved by MMA paying more attention to boxing as a martial art.

The thing with Conor is that he gasses really badly, in both Diaz fights he was exploding early on then you could see him almost hit a wall. Not sure whats up with him but when he gassed and his punches started to lose their pop is when Floyd started to move fwd. I think stamina is definitely an issue when talking about MMA vs Boxing. I think boxers as a group are much more concerned with developing good cardio and it shows. But, it is also a lot about how to throw punches and throw them correctly. I think more boxers do this than MMA fighters...and that needs to change. Boxing is a martial art. And given the success of "strikers" in MMA, perhaps it is the discipline more UFC fighters need to pay the most attention to.

Bottom line is this: If you told MMA fans that you were from the future and knew that Floyd wouldn't worry much about defense and walk forward all round every round, there would have been even more than the record amount bet on McGregor in Vegas. I don't want to hear any MMA excuses unless they begin with "a 40 year old guy just walked down the face of our sport" Til then, MMA fans this one is for you... The thing with Conor is that he gasses really badly, in both Diaz fights he was exploding early on then you could see him almost hit a wall. Not sure whats up with him but when he gassed and his punches started to lose their pop is when Floyd started to move fwd.

Of course I do and if they were fighting the creme of the crop in boxing like Spence, GGG or even Crawford they would not be favored anymore. When fighting someone who's never boxed before that's a completely different story. They should run through any boxing neophyte. When did I say that he's never fought, he's never BOXED professionally before. What Conor does in the UFC is very different, it's open, all ranges and not specialized like boxing. Conor was an amateur when it came to BOXING, did you see those hammer fists he was throwing LOL Floyd stands in front of you in his shell and is almost untouchable... with punches in a BOXING match. If he stood in front of McG in the Octagon his leg would be blasted or his ass would be planted through the mat and he'd be tapping in seconds. A huge difference in the two sports is the range, jabs are a lot less effective because fighters stand further apart because of kicks. If Floyd could overcome the range and overcome the grappling with just boxing footwork and punching that would be completely embarrassing to the UFC. If he won a round through points and made it to the 4th round that would be humiliating for McG and the UFC. Bottom line is this: If you told MMA fans that you were from the future and knew that Floyd wouldn't worry much about defense and walk forward all round every round, there would have been even more than the record amount bet on McGregor in Vegas. I don't want to hear any MMA excuses unless they begin with "a 40 year old guy just walked down the face of our sport" Til then, MMA fans this one is for you...

What you're missing is that the generation you speak of largely ended in 2012 and you know it. Both for Manny and Floyd. Of course I do and if they were fighting the creme of the crop in boxing like Spence, GGG or even Crawford they would not be favored anymore. When fighting someone who's never boxed before that's a completely different story. They should run through any boxing neophyte. As Floyd himself told you, he was fighting a guy nearly 10 years younger, more active, stronger, bigger, who had never been beaten standing up. Everything on paper favored Conor except experience. We're not talking a guy who had never fought at all. That's what you're missing. When did I say that he's never fought, he's never BOXED professionally before. What Conor does in the UFC is very different, it's open, all ranges and not specialized like boxing. Conor was an amateur when it came to BOXING, did you see those hammer fists he was throwing LOL No it wouldn't, because we all know that Floyd is extremely elusive. If he stayed away from Conor's takedown and leg attacks he could easily win one round. But if he only won one and got dominated the rest, that's a win for UFC. The only outcome resulting in a loss for UFC is a Floyd victory, period. Same as any boxer. Floyd stands in front of you in his shell and is almost untouchable... with punches in a BOXING match. If he stood in front of McG in the Octagon his leg would be blasted or his ass would be planted through the mat and he'd be tapping in seconds. A huge difference in the two sports is the range, jabs are a lot less effective because fighters stand further apart because of kicks. If Floyd could overcome the range and overcome the grappling with just boxing footwork and punching that would be completely embarrassing to the UFC. If he won a round through points and made it to the 4th round that would be humiliating for McG and the UFC.

B!tch, be humble. Boxing rules... TBE... 0-0... P.S. MMA fans knew it too, but we also knew Conor would show better than the myopic Boxing fan thought. "Zero percent chance"... "Won't even land one punch"... yap, yap yap... I did not expect Floyd to walk right in and pay so much less attention to defense as he did. I fully believe Floyd could have made it a boring fight, won 12 of 12 rounds, and had Conor's connect percentage in single digits. But, he chose to actually keep a promise to the fans, resulting in Conor landing more than some elite guys Floyd has faced. The truth is either way, his prospects were nothing better than a puncher's chance and Floyd took even that away early.

Funny how Floyd fans have turned into GGG fans. "He let him hit him because he wasn't afraid of his power and he couldn't hurt him." :lol1: Hilarious. you are missing a crucial point and thats the fact floyd can fight that way but ALSO fight other ways and adapts yet golovkin can only fight one style and once he faced a guy who could take his power and pressure he wasnt the invincible killing machine his fans make him out to be floyd over his career at the lighter weights was an offensive machine lighting ppl up and changed with experience and moving up in weight classes again something golovkin hasnt done

Depends on the circumstances. If Floyd was just jabbing for four rounds and then got submitted, no. I think that makes him look basic. But if Floyd was piecing McGregor with power strikes up all night long and then got caught with a takedown and tapped, I'd say it's win for Floyd. See I look at the overall performance, not the outcome. In terms of overall performance, McGregor looked every bit the amateur, and Mayweather looked every bit 40. Given they both looked like what we expected them to look like, I simply didn't find McGregor's performance all that impressive. That he didn't get stopped early? That was obvious, just due to the side difference. That he was pivoting? Unexpected, but if you haven't got the power to do anything with it, who cares? His jab? I'm a fan of the jab, but when your opponent is walking through the jab, it's not effective and thus you look silly. Posturing. I saw a Floyd who ultimately tested Conor's power, felt it, shrugged it off, then took inspiration from Jeff "The Hornet" Horn and just bullied Conor for the rest of the 8 rounds to a stoppage. But that doesn't change the reality. This "dangerous" 29-year-old guy called Conor McGregor that everyone thought was a knockout artist, just got walked down and brutally stopped by an inactive, brittle-handed, shorter, lighter, 40 year old welterweight with 8oz gloves. Mayweather is the greatest boxer of our generation, he was fighting a guy who has never stepped foot in a boxing ring and wasn't even fit to lace his boots up. Even at 40 he should have lit him up like a torch and embarrassed him every round. If Mayweather made it to the fourth in the Octagon while winning a round it would be an embarrassment for Conor and the UFC.

True MMA hardcores LOVE THIS SHHT and we mostly just want to SEE WHAT HAPPENS. The roots of our sport is "How would a Karate guy do against a Boxer?"... "How would a Jiu Jitsu guy do against a Wrestler?"... etc. Now, this match-up is strictly Boxing, but the underlying draw is still that *Style-vs-Style* curiosity. Even if Mayweather just out-classes McGregor, as expected... I WANT TO SEE IT, not just imagine it, not just hypothesis, not just spew-out analytical babble.

Literally every boxing fan with any sense at all on this forum knew what time it was. 95% picked Floyd to win and OVER 75% had the stoppage. We knew that MMA power is something very different from Boxing power- throwing and wearing and HURTING people in gloves at least twice as heavy. We knew MMA stamina was very different from Boxing stamina- that some boxing matches don't heat up until MMA matches are damn near over. We saw it coming, with some of the more gracious of us boxing fans allowing that we love a sport where one punch can change everything and respecting that it was possible Conor could actually throw that punch. But early on in the fight, we were nodding our heads in grim confirmation. We saw it. We knew we had called it right. How did we know from round 1? Easy. We knew when we saw the most defensive minded fighter in the history of the sport WALK FORWARD, TAKE PUNCHES, AND KEEP WALKING FORWARD. It told us exactly what game Floyd was playing. It told us Conor had nothing in his arsenal that could hurt Floyd. It told us it was just a matter of when Floyd decided to press the gas. MMA fan, you have nothing to be ashamed of. Novice boxer takes a legend into the late rounds. It was a win, of sorts, for your sport. And, it showed that the best your sport has to offer may one day actually be on par with best the sweet science has to offer. But, make no mistake, MMA has a ways to go before their athletes are as good as boxers on average. If that was Errol Spence, or Lil G, or Canelo, or Danny Jacobs, or any of a score of young elite or near elite boxers, Conor would have been erased very early. Those aforementioned guys are not 40 years old, and all of them punch much, much harder than Floyd. The same Floyd your MMA superstar found it prudent to back up from all night once he got hit a few times. Hats off to him tho. Hats off to Conor. I hope more MMA guys wise up and start to realize how boxing skill- real boxing technique- will change their sport for the better. B!tch, be humble. Boxing rules... TBE... 0-0... P.S. MMA fans knew it too, but we also knew Conor would show better than the myopic Boxing fan thought. "Zero percent chance"... "Won't even land one punch"... yap, yap yap...

WTF are you talking about... lol All the fighters u named, has to fight Connor, in a real life situation, none of them win the fight. Connor outboxed Mayweather for 4 rounds, took him to the 10th, the all time great, vs a pro debut. Why boxing fans are so butthurt that they are no match for any MMA artist in a FIGHT. Not a boxing bout.

As a fan of both, I slightly disagree. But that's because I look at it from a different angle. Floyd is 40 years old. Conor's under 30. Floyd came in under 150, McGregor had a 20lb advantage. McGregor had as significant reach advantage, activity advantage, height advantage, weight advantage and general strength advantage. Floyd has brittle hands, on record, he'll even tell you. Floyd gave in to 8oz gloves that would have risked those hands being broken. Floyd's been out of the ring for over 2 years. Floyd "Money" Mayweather did something last night that NO MMA fighter has ever been able to do to Conor McGregor: stop him on his feet. Conor McGregor was getting absolutely pieced by a short, lighter, 40-year old inactive fighter with brittle hands and no one-punch knockout power. While I don't think it hurts MMA the sport, it certainly hurts the mythos of Conor McGregor being this totally dangerous person when you look at it from these angles. If you look at Conor's MMA fights, he gets touched a lot but never stopped from striking. And these are young, hungry fighters wearing 4oz gloves unable to do what Mayweather just did at 40 years old with 8oz gloves coming off an extended layoff. If you're a fan of both what do you think would have happened last night if they fought in the Octagon under MMA rules. If Floyd would have won the 1st round and made it to the late 4th before tapping out to a submission do you think that would have been a good showing considering he's never fought in the Octagon?

And MMA as a sport has to live with all that. A 40 yr old guy coming off a 2 year layoff walks down THE MOST LETHAL guy in the octagon, a guy in the prime of his career who'd never before been stopped on his feet. And that guy was backing away most of the fight, backing away from a guy not known for KOing anyone recently. They have to live with all that. Hopefully, the better athletes in MMA take that lesson to heart and get in the gym and start doing better. As I said, take any elite 147, 154, and 160 pound boxer under 30 and that fight doesn't go past 4 or 5 rounds. this right here....

It's true doe! "Hell of a fighter, we gave you guys a big drama show, made him a good boy TBE TBE"

Funny how Floyd fans have turned into GGG fans. "He let him hit him because he wasn't afraid of his power and he couldn't hurt him." :lol1: Hilarious. It's true doe!

And MMA as a sport has to live with all that. A 40 yr old guy coming off a 2 year layoff walks down THE MOST LETHAL guy in the octagon, a guy in the prime of his career who'd never before been stopped on his feet. And that guy was backing away most of the fight, backing away from a guy not known for KOing anyone recently. They have to live with all that. Hopefully, the better athletes in MMA take that lesson to heart and get in the gym and start doing better. As I said, take any elite 147, 154, and 160 pound boxer under 30 and that fight doesn't go past 4 or 5 rounds. But that's obvious or it should be obvious. I tried explaining it to people that that boxings very different. We knew it from the start that Mayweather wins. Of course if you take an elite MMA fighter and throw him in the ring, he's not going to perform well against even mid tier opposition.