Why are there no great white-american boxers?

I've given several reasons, above. The cultural one is significant; gyms are dominated by black and mexican-american fighters. Whites either aren't welcome, or don't feel welcome, or are keeping themselves away to some extent. It's not in their culture to the same degree by any means. Greatness in boxing requires early involvement. White American kids are busy doing other sports generally. I think thats the main thing in my mind.

Boxing is a necessity kind of sport. Not saying MMA folks aren't tough, but anyone inherently knows you're getting hit in the face and head a lot more with boxing and that might not mix with a lot of middle class white american lifestyle. Showing up to the office with busted lips and bruises all the time. You're not going to get smacked around in the face all the time in MMA sparring. You're gonna spend a lot of time wrestling and on your back probably with a sample of striking. I think it just vibes better with a lot of white Americans lifestyle.

Boxing tends to draw from environments developed enough to have gyms but poor enough for options to be slim. Eastern Europe after communism. American ghettos. Too poor and you don't get many quality boxers per population (Africa). Too wealthy and people move on (white America after WW2...) or treat it as a hobby (Chris Algieri etc) I tend to see Britain and Japan as the exceptions because they have a historical emphasis on ceremonial combat sports and their interest in boxing doesn't seem to wane as much with wealth. We will see if Mexico retains its interest in boxing now that its birth rate and economy are relatively stable and normal professions are flourishing. Everyone has fast-twitch muscle fibers. The exact ratio varies a lot genetically but it's not clear-cut along racial lines. For ex east Africans tend to have very low ratios while west Africans have high ratios. We kind of treat "black" as a race in America but there are racial divisions within the black population that are pretty much as dramatic as those between Europeans and Asians. Most African-Americans are of West African descent, hence the high incidence of "fast twitch" in black American athletes. Again, it's not a common trait among whites of any geography. Which is why (for example) white sprinters are only rarely competitive at the top level. Again, the cultural, socio-economic factors are even greater. There are many ways to become a great boxer besides having fast twitch muscles to a high degree -- but those are a big, big help in boxing particularly.

We got that American Ninja Warrior doe. Real man's sport.

Boxing tends to draw from environments developed enough to have gyms but poor enough for options to be slim. Eastern Europe after communism. American ghettos. Too poor and you don't get many quality boxers per population (Africa). Too wealthy and people move on (white America after WW2...) or treat it as a hobby (Chris Algieri etc) I tend to see Britain and Japan as the exceptions because they have a historical emphasis on ceremonial combat sports and their interest in boxing doesn't seem to wane as much with wealth. We will see if Mexico retains its interest in boxing now that its birth rate and economy are relatively stable and normal professions are flourishing. It's true, you'll see "fast twitch" in the smaller white guys sometimes. You don't see it much above LW. Calzhage had that quality, though without any power. Loma is quick and twitchy, but well trained, knows where to move his feet. The former soviet system is robust. Everyone has fast-twitch muscle fibers. The exact ratio varies a lot genetically but it's not clear-cut along racial lines. For ex east Africans tend to have very low ratios while west Africans have high ratios. We kind of treat "black" as a race in America but there are racial divisions within the black population that are pretty much as dramatic as those between Europeans and Asians.

The fast twitching remark just said whites. So I went with it. I mean white American or European, if you're going to say one race doesn't have a certain ability, that just means the race. If Kovalev was wearing all camo with a deer strapped across his hood, you wouldn't doubt his Americanness until you heard him talk. Point being, that point sounded about race which isn't exclusive to a place. But true. They would rather fight in MMA. I stand by the point that white athletes don't demonstrate "fast twitch." Little guys sometimes do, but it's just not a white quality. This is not the only reason that white americans are almost totally absent from the elite group of boxers -- and have been for at least 60 years. But it's a factor. The bigger reason has to do with the cultural, racial divide in the US. Boxing gyms aren't a white reality, not part of the culture in any vital way.

Given what he did, there's nothing left for white American boxers to prove. https://media.giphy.com/media/O5NyCibf93upy/giphy.gif alright...i've finally been broken, I couldn't even keep a straight face while reading this

OP is talking about white-americans not white-europeans. White fighters in America would rather fight in MMA it would seem. I've given several reasons, above. The cultural one is significant; gyms are dominated by black and mexican-american fighters. Whites either aren't welcome, or don't feel welcome, or are keeping themselves away to some extent. It's not in their culture to the same degree by any means. Greatness in boxing requires early involvement. White American kids are busy doing other sports generally.

What about andre ward?

imo they are smart to adapt or try other sports, boxing is a contact sport and not everyone has the luxury to have fast evading moves especially white people. however there are some exceptions, last exciting brawler i liked watching was kelly pavlik.

LOL. And Loma's like the fastest dude in the sport. Try again. It's true, you'll see "fast twitch" in the smaller white guys sometimes. You don't see it much above LW. Calzhage had that quality, though without any power. Loma is quick and twitchy, but well trained, knows where to move his feet. The former soviet system is robust.

Chris Algeri Paulie Malignaggi Glen Tapia Is Paulie the most successful white American boxer of the last 15 years? It's either him or Pavlick.

Brian Sutherland was the last of a dying (or dead) breed, truly the last great, transcendent white boy boxer of the sport

Most great boxers today are either african-american, white-european, or mexican. Yet in recent times seldom do we see a white dude from the US make it big in boxing. Only decent ones I know are Chris Alqueeri and Chris Van Queerden and they both suck. Why are there no great white-american boxers from the US?? Chris Van heern is South Africa not American.

The usual answers. -- Whites don't come from the lower socioeconomic background that most boxers share. No anymore. -- Whites don't have the cultural, community background in boxing that African-Americans and Mexican-Americans have. They aren't part of the boxing community on the neighborhood level. -- Whites lack "fast twitch" muscles. -- And these days, there's MMA.

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