Thurman's Resume > Pacquiao's Resume (welterweight)

You said lifetime ban...that would indicate 0 matches in US...I provided info that showed he fought 4 more times...you're right, there is no arguing, you're wrong. lol yea I don't know what he was talking about "ban" either when dude clearly fought. I even remember hearing his name being mentioned for a possible fight with Canelo!! lol

If you want to act like 4 box rec level fights no one cares or knows about refutes my point, there's no point in arguing really. You said lifetime ban...that would indicate 0 matches in US...I provided info that showed he fought 4 more times...you're right, there is no arguing, you're wrong.

Yeah... but no. There a reason a fighter as good as Clottey has been blackballed from the industry by the executives at the highest level. Dude didn't sincerely try to win, and it made boxing look bad. He's been blackballed because of it, in a world of Zab Judah's and Luis Collazo's, because those guys at least give an honest effort and put on a show. Look at the faces of the two post fight. Clottey could had afforded to have given more, even at the expense of taking more. His lack of effort was easy to see, and earned him a lifetime ban. You could tell he had some type of heart and emotion vs Cotto even in the decision, but Pac, not so much. Seems like Clottey only tried for almost 2 minutes before he said f it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4zbUAuixD8 (18:05 of that video/1:02 left in the first round in case link doesn't work) if you look at that it seems Clottey, like you said, just didn't give the effort afterwards

Lifetime ban?!? http://boxrec.com/boxer/9300 Had 5 more fights over the next 4 years. Dude was at the end of his career (being in his mid 30's) and would never make much more money fighting nobodies and was never a draw for the big names, especially after 2 big losses. If you want to act like 4 box rec level fights no one cares or knows about refutes my point, there's no point in arguing really.

Yeah... but no. There a reason a fighter as good as Clottey has been blackballed from the industry by the executives at the highest level. Dude didn't sincerely try to win, and it made boxing look bad. He's been blackballed because of it, in a world of Zab Judah's and Luis Collazo's, because those guys at least give an honest effort and put on a show. Look at the faces of the two post fight. Clottey could had afforded to have given more, even at the expense of taking more. His lack of effort was easy to see, and earned him a lifetime ban. You could tell he had some type of heart and emotion vs Cotto even in the decision, but Pac, not so much. Lifetime ban?!? http://boxrec.com/boxer/9300 Had 5 more fights over the next 4 years. Dude was at the end of his career (being in his mid 30's) and would never make much more money fighting nobodies and was never a draw for the big names, especially after 2 big losses.

Obvious troll thread. And Manny beat Floyd, and every non bias fan that actually scored the fight based on boxing, scored it for Manny, and still have Manny winning the fight.

No, that's Clottey's style. Turtles up in that shell and then responds once the punching stops. Don't give him a change to respond, he stays in his shell. That's exactly what Pac did, he threw almost twice as many punches to than his normal fights to keep Clottey in his shell. Yeah... but no. There a reason a fighter as good as Clottey has been blackballed from the industry by the executives at the highest level. Dude didn't sincerely try to win, and it made boxing look bad. He's been blackballed because of it, in a world of Zab Judah's and Luis Collazo's, because those guys at least give an honest effort and put on a show. Look at the faces of the two post fight. Clottey could had afforded to have given more, even at the expense of taking more. His lack of effort was easy to see, and earned him a lifetime ban. You could tell he had some type of heart and emotion vs Cotto even in the decision, but Pac, not so much.

too early to judge Thurman's resume, wait another 5 years

lol got u to come in and read and even comment in Yep it did. Good job.

Lol what a dumb thread. Nice try lol got u to come in and read and even comment in

Clottey is quite debately the best H2H fighter on both lists, but against Pac he just came for a paycheck. No, that's Clottey's style. Turtles up in that shell and then responds once the punching stops. Don't give him a change to respond, he stays in his shell. That's exactly what Pac did, he threw almost twice as many punches to than his normal fights to keep Clottey in his shell.

Not yet but if he fight and beat Spence and Crawford at 147 then I'll say yes.

Thurman is a GOOD welterweight & not an elite fighter like PAC, May, Cotto, Moseley, Delahoya. All of which would of whipped quite easily in there prime. Mayweather could still whip him now at 40. PAC probably too

Clottey was ass that fight. Left a bad taste in my mouth. Clottey is quite debately the best H2H fighter on both lists, but against Pac he just came for a paycheck.

Even being weight drained 9lbs? If you are going to cry about 2lbs you cant be a hypocrite and back Floyd asking Canelo to go down 2.

Karass > Rios. Rios was a walking punching bag who couldn't even win a round Diaz > Algeri. Algeri hasn't even fought at 147 at the time of his fight. Bundu > Clottey. At least Bundu fought and threw punches and didn't just cover up Guerrero > Mosley. Guerrero wanted to beat Keith up, Mosley just played patty cake Collazo > Vargas. Luis is more proven and came from knocking out Victor Ortiz Porter > Cotto. Both with one loss at time of their fight but Cotto wasn't even at 147 and was forced to go to 145 while Porter was at full strength and never went through a physical/mental beatdown. Garcia > Bradley. Best wins from both resumes, both undefeated, but Bradley "won" the first match Pacquiao got a gift decision from Marquez, then got knocked out by him, and lost to Mayweather Monkey's brain>Gigantes's brain

Clottey was ass that fight. Left a bad taste in my mouth.

Lol what a dumb thread. Nice try

Karass > Rios. Rios was a walking punching bag who couldn't even win a round Diaz > Algeri. Algeri hasn't even fought at 147 at the time of his fight. Bundu > Clottey. At least Bundu fought and threw punches and didn't just cover up Guerrero > Mosley. Guerrero wanted to beat Keith up, Mosley just played patty cake Collazo > Vargas. Luis is more proven and came from knocking out Victor Ortiz Porter > Cotto. Both with one loss at time of their fight but Cotto wasn't even at 147 and was forced to go to 145 while Porter was at full strength and never went through a physical/mental beatdown. Garcia > Bradley. Best wins from both resumes, both undefeated, but Bradley "won" the first match Pacquiao got a gift decision from Marquez, then got knocked out by him, and lost to Mayweather You could make a decent argument with some of these but it's obvious your trolling when you rank Bundu over Clottey and Diaz over Algieri.