For those who don't remember before GGG fight was announced it was going to be Brook/Vargas which would've been a good win for Brook and got him another title along with being a much safer fight.
Eddie Hearn ****ed Brook with him allowing Brook to take on GGG just because he didn't have a GGG PPV because Eubank Jr pulled out at the last minute. He should've just cancelled the GGG fight and went on with Vargas.
I'm not making excuses for the Spence loss because I think it's going to be trouble even in his next fight which could be a tune up. I can see Brook looking **** in his next fight because of his eye weaknesses and him wanting to quit when it gets too tough.
I think Brook could seriously be done at a world level thinking about it. I mean he could win a vacant belt or beat Callum Smith at 154 but he won't beat many of the top fighters who punch even harder than welters.
Eddie is usually a really good promoter but he's going to look back and think he ****ed up letting Brook fight GGG.
I completely missed the part where he looked dog tired and unable to stand. I saw him blinking and pawing at his eye. If he was dog tired and unable to stand he should have said that and not bring up his eye. If you were so quick to see the first time as an act you should have been even more skeptical this time around. You and I are having a hard time understanding each other. Hopefully you can agree this was a good fight and both men deserve some respect for giving it their best.
they cut his tape on the glove twice in the corner to give him a rest. I did not thing the fight was great first half they were falling over each other getting tangled. brook had no punch at all if he did it would have been much better. second half was just a one sided beat down
I guess you just cant accept what it is like to be dog tired hardly able to stand as opposed to an ACT like you wanted to continue AFTER your corner stopped the fight
I completely missed the part where he looked dog tired and unable to stand. I saw him blinking and pawing at his eye. If he was dog tired and unable to stand he should have said that and not bring up his eye. If you were so quick to see the first time as an act you should have been even more skeptical this time around. You and I are having a hard time understanding each other. Hopefully you can agree this was a good fight and both men deserve some respect for giving it their best.
Agreed. Brook didn't have any money fights before GGG and saw his big payday and screwed himself over. He would've still got a great payday against Vargas which would've been much, much safer.
He could've got bigger fights from then on. Fighting a damn Middleweight at his early peak was ****ing stupid and screwed himself out of bigger money fights.
Brook/Khan will lose a lot of interest now too. It's two broken fighters.
Brook just wanted the money.
As much money as he could get, almost no matter what.
That and "recognition"; again, almost no matter what.
He's got the money he was after but not sure if he would have wanted the type of recognition he is getting now . . . .
So quitting against Golovkin was an act because he wouldn't have lasted another 7 rounds anyway, but quitting against Spence was for real because he couldn't last another round and a half?
This is so confusing!
I guess you just cant accept what it is like to be dog tired hardly able to stand as opposed to an ACT like you wanted to continue AFTER your corner stopped the fight
ducked a khan fight for big bucks for all those years, finally steps up to face GGG for a modest payday and now one more fight for a modest payday and his career is basically over.
pretty dumb career move to fight tomato cans until youre 30 and then jump up 2 divisions to face a KO monster
When did he duck Khan?
ducked a khan fight for big bucks for all those years, finally steps up to face GGG for a modest payday and now one more fight for a modest payday and his career is basically over.
pretty dumb career move to fight tomato cans until youre 30 and then jump up 2 divisions to face a KO monster
I'd say Brook quit because he'd just been through a significant eye injury against GGG. Now against Spence he was seeing double through his other eye and there's no question he was worried about suffering permanent damage.
In other words, without the new injury to his other eye, he doesn't quit voluntarily. That seems clear.
He was risking permanent injury when he stepped in the ring
Hes been so poorly managed, from fighting soft touches after the porter win to jumping over his head fighting GGG. Then going onto fight a banger in Spencer right after his GGG loss. His obsession with Khan has dictated all this. Both need to get wins under their belt and just fight eachother
I can't say he was acting because he looked genuinely surprised that they threw in the towel. However, it could have been the plan all along to stop it if it got worst but he wasn't ready yet.
I'm still having a hard time understanding how it was easier for him to stop it in the 11th round than the 5th. Yes he was fading badly and taking a beating but all he had to do was finish those last 2 rounds. That says a lot about his character more than anything but of course you want to give the fighter the benefit of the doubt.
The other big problem is this was back to back fights. I don't know how he will live down this reputation anytime soon.
I'd say Brook quit because he'd just been through a significant eye injury against GGG. Now against Spence he was seeing double through his other eye and there's no question he was worried about suffering permanent damage.
In other words, without the new injury to his other eye, he doesn't quit voluntarily. That seems clear.
but I say him wanting to continue fighting GGG was an act cause the corner stopped the fight so he could make like he wanted to continue and he would not have lasted 7 rounds anyway
So quitting against Golovkin was an act because he wouldn't have lasted another 7 rounds anyway, but quitting against Spence was for real because he couldn't last another round and a half?
This is so confusing!
It was such a stupid move. It baffles me how they let an undefeated champion go up two weight divisions to fight such a dangerous guy.
5 million bucks. Who on this board wouldn't fight GGG for 5 million RIGHT NOW. I know I would.
How does that explain why he would want to go 7 more rounds with an injured eye and not a round and a half with a different injured eye. You're saying it was because he was taking a beating. He said it was because he couldn't see out the eye. Eye? Beating? Which one is it?
but I say him wanting to continue fighting GGG was an act cause the corner stopped the fight so he could make like he wanted to continue and he would not have lasted 7 rounds anyway
The biggest mistake Brook made was fighting once at world level before the GGG fight. He ended up with very little experience and grit at the highest level so when Spence started to put it on Brook (worse than Carson Jones even) Brook had no idea how to survive or how to respond. That's what happens when you waste your prime fighting Jo Jo Dan and Matty Hatton lol
remember they stopped 15 rd fights cause taking a beating in the late rounds can lead to serious injury
How does that explain why he would want to go 7 more rounds with an injured eye and not a round and a half with a different injured eye. You're saying it was because he was taking a beating. He said it was because he couldn't see out the eye. Eye? Beating? Which one is it?
I can't say he was acting because he looked genuinely surprised that they threw in the towel. However, it could have been the plan all along to stop it if it got worst but he wasn't ready yet.
I'm still having a hard time understanding how it was easier for him to stop it in the 11th round than the 5th. Yes he was fading badly and taking a beating but all he had to do was finish those last 2 rounds. That says a lot about his character more than anything but of course you want to give the fighter the benefit of the doubt.
The other big problem is this was back to back fights. I don't know how he will live down this reputation anytime soon.
remember they stopped 15 rd fights cause taking a beating in the late rounds can lead to serious injury
For those who don't remember before GGG fight was announced it was going to be Brook/Vargas which would've been a good win for Brook and got him another title along with being a much safer fight.
Eddie Hearn ****ed Brook with him allowing Brook to take on GGG just because he didn't have a GGG PPV because Eubank Jr pulled out at the last minute. He should've just cancelled the GGG fight and went on with Vargas.
I'm not making excuses for the Spence loss because I think it's going to be trouble even in his next fight which could be a tune up. I can see Brook looking **** in his next fight because of his eye weaknesses and him wanting to quit when it gets too tough.
I think Brook could seriously be done at a world level thinking about it. I mean he could win a vacant belt or beat Callum Smith at 154 but he won't beat many of the top fighters who punch even harder than welters.
Eddie is usually a really good promoter but he's going to look back and think he ****ed up letting Brook fight GGG.
It wasn't the ggg fight.
It was the fact he got no soft touches after the loss.
When you take a beating like that, you don't come right back and fight a hungry young lion. You take a soft touch or two, regain some confidence, readjust to the weight, getting hit, etc. Then you go out and fight a top guy again.
Cotto did after his loss to Margarito.
Khan did after the Prescott fight.
Tyson did after the Douglass fight.
don't you think he was acting about wanting to continue the fight with GGG? I think it was an act. getting beat on in the 11 th round when he was exhausted is different then the 5th round
I can't say he was acting because he looked genuinely surprised that they threw in the towel. However, it could have been the plan all along to stop it if it got worst but he wasn't ready yet.
I'm still having a hard time understanding how it was easier for him to stop it in the 11th round than the 5th. Yes he was fading badly and taking a beating but all he had to do was finish those last 2 rounds. That says a lot about his character more than anything but of course you want to give the fighter the benefit of the doubt.
The other big problem is this was back to back fights. I don't know how he will live down this reputation anytime soon.
So he wanted to continue fighting Golovkin because it was early but didn't want to go an extra round and a half?
That's even worst.
don't you think he was acting about wanting to continue the fight with GGG? I think it was an act. getting beat on in the 11 th round when he was exhausted is different then the 5th round
There is another side of the coin that a lot of you fail to acknowledge only taking into account a fans perspective.
Kell Brook's bank account.
You couldn't see where Brook was going to earn a life changing pay day apart from Amir Khan, and it has never looked like Khan wanted that fight. The GGG fight gave Brook life changing money, and that is the first thing any fighter should be aiming for. It might not have been the best possible way, but the GGG fight guaranteed financial security, if he doesn't take that fight, there is no guarantee.
Brook has now had two big pay days, (this one will be as well) and if he chose to retire he could so with confidence that his and his families future is secure. If he carries on - you can pretty much guarantee that he could do good numbers again with the right dance partner.
I agree that from the point of view that he hasn't maximised his potential and his career achievements probably don't match his capabilities and probably never will. But this was a guy that was 30 years old and still hadn't made a 7 figure pay day. He wasn't a 23, 24, 25 year old who got thrown to the wolves for nothing. He was well compensated. I think under the circumstance it was tough to achieve both things together, so I don't think you can blame Brook or Hearn for the choices.
Don't agree with this at all. He could've built his name up and got even more big paydays than just the one big GGG one.
You do know when Brook was going to fight Vargas it was going to be at Bramall Lane right? and PPV? He would've been easily pulling in a £1 million+ payday for that fight which was by far a career high. Sure it's not the £3 million in the GGG fight but he could've had life changing money fights with Garcia, Thurman, Pac and not had to have his eye punched into pieces by a MW to get it.