What does a win over Salido mean for Lomachenko at this point in time?

To me; nothing. Salido has been in several serious wars since they fought, losing a couple of those and just took a year off. He'll be 37 by the time they fight. I think it's a cheap win. Loma could be taking on a real challenge instead.

Hagler and Lewis took revenge on their loses. It does good for the fighter and helps with the detractors

It won't clear the blemish on his record and I doubt his detractors would give him credit. Especially since Salido hasn't won a fight in some time, has been in wars since and is pretty damn old. Lomachenko has learned alot from the loss and many claim that the defeat came due to a size difference and Salido's rough house tactics. However, Lomachenko has fought the likes of Nicholas Walters since the blemish. A big physical fighter with more technical talent than Orlando, and made him submit rather easily. Difficult situation for Lomachenko. If he hunts down a rematch and beats Salido, well, he just beat a worn torn, washed up fighter who already has over a dozen losses on his record. If he were to never rematch him then he will forever hold an L to Siri and his detractors will continue to call him SOS(Son of Salido). Plus, that's a loss to a guy whom holds more losses than Lomachenko has fights in his career. Would a win over Orlando at this stage be a personal victory for Lomachenko and nothing else? Would a win hold any significance at this point in the sport and or weight division? For those who hate him, it will do nothing, for those who like him, they will claim salido was fine (which he may be) and it was a good win. For pure fans of the sport, they will understand that it's not about the L so much as it's about being able to say he's beaten everyone he's faced. For any competitor, a loss is difficult, and taking that loss back with a win (especially if it's done in incredible fashion) is really about having the right mentality back.

But will Salido even be remembered as a significant fighter by then? Currently he is because of the relevance of the names he's fought but none of those names aside from Lomachenko seem to have longevity. Although Vargas, Lopez and Martinez are or were good names at the time he faced them, they aren't special enough not to be forgotten in the history books. The only thing that separates Salido from being one of those names is his win over Vasyl and Vasyl's own potential of becoming a great. Its one of them things that time will tell. But how many people outside of hardcores know who Fulmer or Turpin are? Or even if someone knows the names, the reason is almost certainly because they fought Robinson. They have no real knowledge of those guys careers, who they fought, their records or were they shot. None of that. When looking at legacies decades down the road, things become much more abstract. Because of that, avenging a loss matters in a historical context even if it does'nt really mean much in the present. All that said it might be for nothing if Loma ends up getting his ass beat and not having the kind of career many think he will have.

How exactly would it highlight his growth if the Salido of today is older and has been through some hellacious wars since? I'm sure that if the inexperienced Lomachenko on his second fight took on the 2017 Version of Salido, he would have won. I'm in no way, shape or form downplaying Loma's talent. The guy is one of my favorite fighters and such a pleasure to watch. Personally I don't give too much of a damn that he lost to a much more experienced man on his 2nd fight, but the situation itself is a bit cruel for Lomachenko. He may very well move on and continue down the path of success and greatness, but a loss to Salido is still a loss... to a one dimensional slugger with rough house tactics. I rather in intriguing situation. True. I think Lomachenko would end Salido at this point. Too much has happened since. Salido has lost considerable amount of shelf life and steam, meanwhile Lomachenko has gained it. Well, yeah. I mean, Mikey G. Is one of the only legitimate threats near Lomachenko' s weight. It be hard to label Lomachenko a sucker since he's fought the likes of Russel Jr and Walters within 9 fights. You seem to be implying that if they rematch, and Lomachenko is able to beat him like most people expect, it will have virtually everything to do with Salido's decline as a fighter rather than Lomachenko's growth as a fighter. I simply don't agree with that opinion and do not think it holds water. Salido has been through a fight of the year, but let's not act like he's completely shot. He's had like 4 fights in 3 years.

It is worth avenging losses in my eyes. He shouldn't go out of his way for it, but if he needs to fill a slot before moving up to 135 and can't get anyone better, I think it is worthwhile.

It means redemption, it means alot for him personally.

A win over Salido at this point does absolutely nothing for Lomachenko. Not after he ducked his father and waited for him to get old before calling for a rematch. Point taken, Ghost. Floyd beat Castillo, people complained, he rematched him and beat him again. I say that to say even if Loma punked and beat on Salido people will still bring up that loss for the rest of his career. Look at the quote above for proof of your words. In the short term. Probably not a whole lot. But in the big picture, when discussing legacies years down the road, its big. That is always a hot topic when discussing fighters of the past, L's mean almost nothing if you avenged the loss. I brought this up in another thread where this was discussed. Would Ray Robinson be held in as high regard as he is if he did'nt avenge his losses to Lamotta, Turpin and Fulmer. I would say no. Boxing history is littered with greats who avenged L's. Its part of their greatness. 30-40 years down the line no one will give a **** if Salido was past it when Loma avenged the L, assuming he does. But will Salido even be remembered as a significant fighter by then? Currently he is because of the relevance of the names he's fought but none of those names aside from Lomachenko seem to have longevity. Although Vargas, Lopez and Martinez are or were good names at the time he faced them, they aren't special enough not to be forgotten in the history books. The only thing that separates Salido from being one of those names is his win over Vasyl and Vasyl's own potential of becoming a great.

Salido is the second guy who Loma lost to. His first loss was to Saliev which he later erased by two wins. If he does this again with Salido he might be regarded undefeated, kind of. I wouldn't think of him as undefeated but it would be a situation similar to Lennox Lewis, I remember them saying "he beat everyone he ever fought" since he avenged his two losses.

This. I think he should do it for his own peace of mind and then move on. I agree. This is a personal fight primarily.

It won't clear the blemish on his record and I doubt his detractors would give him credit. Especially since Salido hasn't won a fight in some time, has been in wars since and is pretty damn old. Lomachenko has learned alot from the loss and many claim that the defeat came due to a size difference and Salido's rough house tactics. However, Lomachenko has fought the likes of Nicholas Walters since the blemish. A big physical fighter with more technical talent than Orlando, and made him submit rather easily. Difficult situation for Lomachenko. If he hunts down a rematch and beats Salido, well, he just beat a worn torn, washed up fighter who already has over a dozen losses on his record. If he were to never rematch him then he will forever hold an L to Siri and his detractors will continue to call him SOS(Son of Salido). Plus, that's a loss to a guy whom holds more losses than Lomachenko has fights in his career. Would a win over Orlando at this stage be a personal victory for Lomachenko and nothing else? Would a win hold any significance at this point in the sport and or weight division? In the short term. Probably not a whole lot. But in the big picture, when discussing legacies years down the road, its big. That is always a hot topic when discussing fighters of the past, L's mean almost nothing if you avenged the loss. I brought this up in another thread where this was discussed. Would Ray Robinson be held in as high regard as he is if he did'nt avenge his losses to Lamotta, Turpin and Fulmer. I would say no. Boxing history is littered with greats who avenged L's. Its part of their greatness. 30-40 years down the line no one will give a **** if Salido was past it when Loma avenged the L, assuming he does.

Floyd beat Castillo, people complained, he rematched him and beat him again. I say that to say even if Loma punked and beat on Salido people will still bring up that loss for the rest of his career.

It means nothing except Loma fans won't get trolled by Mexicans as much lol

I've had this debate before with a couple of people. I say nothing.

Useless fight for Lomachenko smart fight for HBO/Top Rank to try & "Hype" him up & make 'em look GAWD like by playing up this fight as a "Look how much greater he has got since..." type chit. Let it go man... move on

No a whole hell of a lot, aside from sweet revenge. This. I think he should do it for his own peace of mind and then move on.

I think Loma should focus on moving to 135 and try to get a fight with Linares before Mikey can get in with him. Beating Salido won't quiet the detractors (hell, if Loma beat Thurman, Canelo, Ward and Joshua on the same night it wouldn't quiet his haters), so he is better off moving on from that one loss early in his career. Hopkins lost his very first fight as a pro, but moved on from it and made a name for himself and secured his place in the IBHOF. If Loma continues to run through top tier fighters at 130/135 he puts more distance between him and that one loss to Salido. He can also look Mikey in the eye and say that he didn't look for an easy out against Salido crying about his nose.

It won't clear the blemish on his record and I doubt his detractors would give him credit. Especially since Salido hasn't won a fight in some time, has been in wars since and is pretty damn old. Lomachenko has learned alot from the loss and many claim that the defeat came due to a size difference and Salido's rough house tactics. However, Lomachenko has fought the likes of Nicholas Walters since the blemish. A big physical fighter with more technical talent than Orlando, and made him submit rather easily. Difficult situation for Lomachenko. If he hunts down a rematch and beats Salido, well, he just beat a worn torn, washed up fighter who already has over a dozen losses on his record. If he were to never rematch him then he will forever hold an L to Siri and his detractors will continue to call him SOS(Son of Salido). Plus, that's a loss to a guy whom holds more losses than Lomachenko has fights in his career. Would a win over Orlando at this stage be a personal victory for Lomachenko and nothing else? Would a win hold any significance at this point in the sport and or weight division? Some boxing fans says Lomachenko still got Salido's problems - that's the only reason why he has to take that fight and he doesn't even HAVE A RIGHT to not make this fight happen only because of these people. He doesn't care much about the rematch - he said another fight with Salido is a step back for him as a boxer and that he's willing to make a rematch Salido only because of his fans

A win over Saldio (which is not guaranteed) would highlight Lomachenko's growth as a professional and have little to no impact on the standings in the division. The whole "he has a blemish in his career" is a bunch of bullsh1t that idiots who dislike the guy will use for the rest of his career strictly because they're idiots. Pac also has an early loss in his career, as does Bernard Hopkins, and a ton of other greats. None of them hold any meaning. It's absolutely not a difficult situation for Lomachenko. He'll take the rematch if he can and try to avenge his loss. If he can't, he'll move on with his life just like he alread has. As for the detractors you mention, it does not matter whether he rematches Salido or not. They will spin a narrative that puts down Loma in either case. There are many fools in the world. Majority of these "fans" fall into that category. How exactly would it highlight his growth if the Salido of today is older and has been through some hellacious wars since? I'm sure that if the inexperienced Lomachenko on his second fight took on the 2017 Version of Salido, he would have won. I'm in no way, shape or form downplaying Loma's talent. The guy is one of my favorite fighters and such a pleasure to watch. Personally I don't give too much of a damn that he lost to a much more experienced man on his 2nd fight, but the situation itself is a bit cruel for Lomachenko. He may very well move on and continue down the path of success and greatness, but a loss to Salido is still a loss... to a one dimensional slugger with rough house tactics. I rather in intriguing situation. No a whole hell of a lot, aside from sweet revenge. True. I think Lomachenko would end Salido at this point. Too much has happened since. Salido has lost considerable amount of shelf life and steam, meanwhile Lomachenko has gained it. It means the haters will have to be approach the hate from a new angle. Probably call Lomachenko a ducker for not fighting Mikey G. despite already moving up in weight relatively recently, lmao. Well, yeah. I mean, Mikey G. Is one of the only legitimate threats near Lomachenko' s weight. It be hard to label Lomachenko a sucker since he's fought the likes of Russel Jr and Walters within 9 fights.

Salido is the second guy who Loma lost to. His first loss was to Saliev which he later erased by two wins. If he does this again with Salido he might be regarded undefeated, kind of.