Why does a win over Alvarez matter if he's a "bum"?

Trout and Lara won!!!!

why was manny an easy fight? because he cant adjust, only fight one way, come foward, no defense, etc. how is this guy one of floyd's best win? lol You keep asking the same questions I already have answered. If you want to move this forward I will. That can't happen if you keep asking the same questions.

and that's exactly what the floyds fans did to manny!! pac was a no skill, come forward brawler, easy money for floyd. after the fight, pac is one of floyd's best win now. Manny is still all of those things relative to Floyd. Just because it was an easy fight doesn't mean it wasn't one of his best wins. Floyd's great skill and movement is what allowed him to win the fight so easily.

read the first post you quoted me. i said "all fan base talk shiiet" easy money was said BEFORE they fought, so that's talking shiiet, what are you not getting? pac was suppose to be no skills, cant adjust, but after floyd fought him, all of a sudden he became one of floyd's best win. The thread isn't about generic shit talking. it's essentially about fans that denigrate a guy before a fight is signed, then flip once the fight is signed or if their guy wins. GGG fans that called Canelo a bum are now switching since the fight was signed. Manny fans have done that in the situations I point out. You responded that floyd fans did this to Manny. My response is this is a bad example because everything Floyd and/or his fans posted prior to the fight about it being easy were true. He was one of Floyd's best wins given his stature at the time of the fight. Most had him as a top 3 p4p boxer. The very worst Manny fans had him as #1. Once he got beaten so easily, you guys have done everything you can to downplay the win. You and those like you are exactly who this thread is criticizing.

Easy money was said before the fight actually happen smart guy. Before floyd fought pac, pac was easy money, one dimensional, doesn't know how to adjust. This is talking Shiiet about the opponent like what this thread is about. And before floyd fought pac, Floyd fans said it would be easy since Manny is not good, and then after Floyd fought Manny, pac is one of floyds best win now? LMAO!!! In that case he proved everything he said so again I am not sure what your point is. You need to find a better fight to make your point because no matter how you cut it, Manny was one of the easiest fights Floyd had. It was easy. Manny is inferior to Floyd. That said, Manny was still seen as the 2nd or 3rd best p4p boxer in the world when Floyd beat him. If you want to say it isn't a good win thats ok. Alot of Manny fans are doing same because of how one sided the fight was.

Another thread that is based on a generalization people pull out of their ass. Nobody is calling Canelo a bum. He was called a coward who vacated his belt in order for his main rival to get older, which is still true.

Good first sentence. Too many emotional fanboys here and it ruins the experience. Anyway, i agree with your post but i also think GGG is a bit of an underrated boxer when it comes to the technical part. I think he can win in a few different ways but i think he figures that out as the fight goes on, he adjusts and that's what good fighters should do. I don't think Brook made him look bad, i think he wanted to get Brook out of there ASAP and he knew Brook had no power so he said **** it. Jacobs was a different story but even with him, GGG figured it out. Jacobs was bigger and more athletic but GGG found a way to win. A bit of an ugly fight but 7-5 or 8-4 for GGG is correct. I don't really care what people say about him not being able to KO Jacobs or whatever because you can't KO everybody and Jacobs has turned into a good fighter. In my opinion, this fight will be very technical and i don't expect it to be an all out war, too much to lose for both guys. I just hope the decision is right for whoever wins You could be totally right. I just want to see a fight that's worth my money. I love boxing but maybe buy a PPV once every year and a half. I like UFC a distant second and buy 3 a year. Boxing needs to step it up with great undercards and quit being so damn greedy. It's getting old

funny floyd fans switching up. WTF? I answered your question by pointing out how easy the fight was. How is that talking **** about a fighter? No, that was the Manny fans who were mad Chino was getting the fight. Most floyd fans said nothing about Maidana before the fight other than Floyd should dominate him once he won the poll.

Jacobs was a bum in their opinion too but he became elevated after the win

Not in the top 10. Ok. Who are you rating above Golovkin? So? I am very interested. Please post those 10+ boxers. It doesnt have to be in order.

stfu nuggah! like the floyd fans wasnt saying pac was easy money, one dimensional, doesnt know how to cut off the ring? since you wanna bring up which fan base are the worst, the floyd fans always diss floyd's opponent before a fight, yet you wanna say not all fan base does this? LOL!!! Uhh, the Manny fight turned out to be extremely easy money. I don't think you can dispute that. wasnt madiana suppose to be a bum? a punching bag? low IQ? but when floyd signed to fight him, all of a sudden, chino is a different fighter now, robert garcia did a good job with him, damm chino throws some dangerous weird punches that gets through to his opponents. The manny fans did call him a bum and said he was overrated because they were angry Manny had turned down the no ppv deal. They also posted he only got the fight because he beat Broner, which was in part correct. People said chino did a good job with him after the 1st fight because of how that fight went. I dont see how you could disagree with that either.

It wouldn't be accurate because the people I would intend to use as a sample size wouldn't be properly represented by the entirety of the site. The original post states "some GGG fanatics" think a certain way, not all of his fans. In a poll anyone would be able to vote, not just the sub sect of the fanbase I directed this thread at. Have you still not realized that this forum is full of trolls and even regular posters tend to totally exaggerate or put out ridiculous stuff from time to time? Maybe 10% of the posts here in recent years can even be taken seriously. It's more comedy, drama, entertainment and trolling around. Canelo has been criticized for dropping his belt and avoiding GGG, he created catchweights for his opponents and fought a lot of high profile names, but context obviously matters, just that the average fan is not able to differentiate. They know Khan, Kirkland, Lara, Mosley, Cotto and so obviously say, hey great resume. And when you really look into it, its a couple good wins, but Mosley at age 40, Khan moving up 2 weightclasses, Kirkland shot, Lara he arguably lost, its not an All Time Great resume. Canelo is a good fighter, he might even be a top 10 P4P fighter right now since he improved quite a bit in the last couple years so the matchup vs GGG is a fantastic matchup, as the oddsmakers and casinos show, it is almost a 50/50 fight, pretty sure when we are close to the actual fight it will be 50/50. You could also ask, why does a win over GGG matter, if he is just a basic fighter with no special effects and with a terrible resume, according to Canelo fanatics or GGG haters in this forum. There's always 2 sides of the story and taking NSB trolls or some crazy fanatics as a benchmark is surely the wrong approach.

It's in the "Novella", whatever the fck that is. he meant Novela, like general Hospital. Anyway, Canelo us doomed and will loose badly.

all fan base are like this. why do you act like fans from the other side gives props to the opposite team prior to a fight? fans always talk shiiet about how the other guy is gonna lose, not that good, etc. etc. etc.! :bottle::bottle: No, all fans are not like this. Its primarily the very worst Manny/GGG fans . Go back and check when Manny fought Tim the 2nd time. Prior to the fight being signed they were pissed Manny got robbed (which is understandable) so they said Tim was a bum that didn't deserve his #3 p4p ranking. Soonn as the fight got signed, they started talking tim up again. Check how bigdramshow and others talked about Jacobs before the fight was signed as well. I think a couple of posters have sigged how he changed his tune.

According to many GGG fans the fight was a must before it got made. Now that it has been made, well... hmmm, they don't know where to go aside from in circles when discussing the situation. Some GGG fanatics claim their idol is over the hill now and accuse Alvarez of picking on an old man. However, not long ago they were claiming that Golovkin had taken little to no damage throughout his career and thus he could have an extremely long and legendary run due to his freshness and defensive wizardry. Before the fight was announced they proudly stated that Jacobs lost every way possible in their fight and that Golovkin's masterclass shined that night. Today they say that Golovkin began showing slippage in that fight, a display of decline so significant it gave Alvarez the courage to finally make the fight. Before the fight was made many claimed Alvarez would never fight GGG. "Oh no, GGG big drama show. Canyellow will duck like everyone else", they said. Once the contract got signed they began to claim that Alvarez didn't make the fight because he was genuinely interested, but because he was boxed in by GGG's amazing management and fans. When Alvarez sold "low" ppv's against lesser name opposition they claimed he was far from a star and laughed at them. When GGG didn't even manage to sell half of Saul's "low" numbers on ppv they reeled in UK ppv's, thus proving to the world that GGG was a global star. When Alvarez moved towards the ropes in his fights and got hit, he was exposed. When GGG got hit flush by smaller or lesser opposition with power punches it was because he allowed it to happen. GGG sacrificed his defense in order to create drama and excite the fans. When GGG sold low ppv's it was a disgusting realization to many that the sport was dead. When Alvarez is rumored to have sold 1 million or so PPV's against Chavez it's the worst possible thing that could have happened. Now the sport is definitely dead because the casuals will definitely turn away. High PPV numbers = death of the sport. For many Alvarez will get destroyed, brutalized, massacred, bludgeoned, etc... by Golovkin. No way around it. The ginger has his coming and boy oh boy, it will be bad. But, what significance would a win for Golovkin hold? I mean... Alvarez killed boxing by turning the causal fans away after this past Saturday, so the transfer of power would be incomplete or lacklustr. Alvarez waited for GGG to get old, so even if he wins Golovkin wouldn't have long left in the sport due to his age. Alvarez has been exposed by Trout, Lara, Cotto, Khan and Smith before, so a win over him holds little to no weight. Especially since Golovkin is light years ahead of the fraud, skillwise and in talent. So what does Golovkin gain from beating another bum? Alvarez is a cowardly, sport killing, fraudulent bum whom waited for the sport's most feared man to become a grandpa over night before taking him on. So again, what will Golovkin earn from this guaranteed victory? I dont get into being a fan of anyone. I love boxing period. Thats the problem on here. That said. To be fair. Jacobs exposed how a man of equal talents & size deals with the talent of GGG. What he exposed as well, thats going to be a factor in canelos fight too is youth. The only mystery in this new fight coming up is how Canelo deals with a heavy punch, which if it does dramatically effect him will only make him box more and we all have seen that GGG has problems with good boxers. If Canelo chooses to brawl for some reason. Hes playing GGG's game and thats the only way G can win.

Haha, likewise. I was attempting to binge watch the Eastbound and Down series the other day and I couldn't stop imagining the main character as Brian Sutherland :lol1: . :lol1: :lol1: kenny and b-suth are both from the same town too (Shelby, NC) lol

Your card will never be suspended my dude...you know Canelo is an A level dude and you sir are also a b-scene ATG :luvbed: Haha, likewise. I was attempting to binge watch the Eastbound and Down series the other day and I couldn't stop imagining the main character as Brian Sutherland :lol1: .

I'm just glad that GEE is finally stepping up and fighting Alvarez. (He a jr. Middleweight doe) His hand is hurt doe...

Don't suspend my card, man. Your card will never be suspended my dude...you know Canelo is an A level dude and you sir are also a b-scene ATG :luvbed:

According to many GGG fans the fight was a must before it got made. Now that it has been made, well... hmmm, they don't know where to go aside from in circles when discussing the situation. Some GGG fanatics claim their idol is over the hill now and accuse Alvarez of picking on an old man. However, not long ago they were claiming that Golovkin had taken little to no damage throughout his career and thus he could have an extremely long and legendary run due to his freshness and defensive wizardry. Before the fight was announced they proudly stated that Jacobs lost every way possible in their fight and that Golovkin's masterclass shined that night. Today they say that Golovkin began showing slippage in that fight, a display of decline so significant it gave Alvarez the courage to finally make the fight. Before the fight was made many claimed Alvarez would never fight GGG. "Oh no, GGG big drama show. Canyellow will duck like everyone else", they said. Once the contract got signed they began to claim that Alvarez didn't make the fight because he was genuinely interested, but because he was boxed in by GGG's amazing management and fans. When Alvarez sold "low" ppv's against lesser name opposition they claimed he was far from a star and laughed at them. When GGG didn't even manage to sell half of Saul's "low" numbers on ppv they reeled in UK ppv's, thus proving to the world that GGG was a global star. When Alvarez moved towards the ropes in his fights and got hit, he was exposed. When GGG got hit flush by smaller or lesser opposition with power punches it was because he allowed it to happen. GGG sacrificed his defense in order to create drama and excite the fans. When GGG sold low ppv's it was a disgusting realization to many that the sport was dead. When Alvarez is rumored to have sold 1 million or so PPV's against Chavez it's the worst possible thing that could have happened. Now the sport is definitely dead because the casuals will definitely turn away. High PPV numbers = death of the sport. For many Alvarez will get destroyed, brutalized, massacred, bludgeoned, etc... by Golovkin. No way around it. The ginger has his coming and boy oh boy, it will be bad. But, what significance would a win for Golovkin hold? I mean... Alvarez killed boxing by turning the causal fans away after this past Saturday, so the transfer of power would be incomplete or lacklustr. Alvarez waited for GGG to get old, so even if he wins Golovkin wouldn't have long left in the sport due to his age. Alvarez has been exposed by Trout, Lara, Cotto, Khan and Smith before, so a win over him holds little to no weight. Especially since Golovkin is light years ahead of the fraud, skillwise and in talent. So what does Golovkin gain from beating another bum? Alvarez is a cowardly, sport killing, fraudulent bum whom waited for the sport's most feared man to become a grandpa over night before taking him on. So again, what will Golovkin earn from this guaranteed victory? Haters gonna hate man, you know this. Some fighters( Canelo, Danny Garcia, Ward, Mayweather) no matter what will always get hate and nothing they do will ever be enough. They can't even have a close fight. Anything short of a KO or landslide victory will be considered a robbery.