Did a quick study on the Top Live Gates and PPV Buys over the past 7 years.
This was very interesting result so I thought I'd share it with everyone. I chose 2010 because UFC "is growing and growing" since then, and boxing is "dying". So I took the highest live gates from each sport.
**In all cases I removed Mayweather-Pacquiao numbers because that would not be fair.**
Live Gate Revenue average from 2010 - Today
UFC: 5,070,218
Boxing: 9,826,605
PPV Buys Average from 2010 - Today
UFC: 886,428
Boxing: 1,146,428
Now - PPV buys is difficult because UFC is a private company and isn't required to release their numbers. Revenue is difficult as well because of this. I took the highest fight for each sport each year. Also keep in mind a Boxing PPV is more expensive than an MMA PPV.
**For 2015 I tallied zero for boxing and used that in the average
Thoughts?
From 2006-2015 the UFC sold 62M PPV's to boxing's 42M PPV's.
I haven't done numbers in a year, but I'd assume boxing is worse off in the 2007-2016 10 year period cuz MMA had a break thru year & boxing had a horrible year.
Revenue is a legit thing I'm curious about, but its impossible to get much data on revenue. I mean its hard enough to get rumored buy numbers. I'd love to know the revenue details doe.
Hey man I love boxing more than MMA myself, but numbers don't lie. MMA is catching more fire with combat sports fans than boxing is these days.
Especially with Espinoza calling out White saying he can't release fake numbers. So the buy count on UFC is usually suspect, White claimed what 6.7 Mil for May-Mc?
From 2006-2015 the UFC sold 62M PPV's to boxing's 42M PPV's.
I haven't done numbers in a year, but I'd assume boxing is worse off in the 2007-2016 10 year period cuz MMA had a break thru year & boxing had a horrible year.
Revenue is a legit thing I'm curious about, but its impossible to get much data on revenue. I mean its hard enough to get rumored buy numbers. I'd love to know the revenue details doe.
Hey man I love boxing more than MMA myself, but numbers don't lie. MMA is catching more fire with combat sports fans than boxing is these days.
One factor is that UFC has a PPV every single month of the year. Boxing has a few PPV's a year.
Also, quite a few of those numbers you listed have been deeply disputed as wrong and on the high side to a huge degree. They are numbers by the UFC after all...not very reliable.
If we're gonna go by simply ppv numbers the thing to look at is how mma has reached a million buys with multiple names.
You take Mayweather and Pacquiao out and I think only Chavez/Nelo got 1 million ppv's in the last 8 years.
Overall it would be hard to ignore that boxing viewership has been trending down
Just looking at the ratings on HBO we get a small glimpse.
In 2003 Lewis vs Klitschko drew 4.1 million viewers.
In 2006 Winky Wright vs Jermaine Taylor drew 3.5 million views.
In 2010 Cotto vs Foreman did 1.6 million.
Today we're excited when GGG gets 1.4 million viewers.
Listen I get all of your MMA defense. I get it. It just doesn't compare when it comes to people actually spending MONEY. Not time talking about it (popularity). That was the purpose of the post and they don't compare right now, and most likely never will.
LOL I'd argue MMA is at the level of boxing or greater already in the US where its been mostly promoted at its highest level at. Plus MMA is still growing. Its certainly an arguable topic & largely depends on what dynamics you look at & where you regionally look at those details at. For example I know the biggest bout in the last decade or so in the US for MMA got 9M viewers & the biggest boxing match got 6M viewers & boxing fans largely sh^t on that 6M number cuz it was sandwiched between Olympic events.
Well people that have brains don't usually watch as much boxing, MMA or sports in general than all of us probably do in fairness.
So to get the non-hardcore fans buying PPV's you gotta entice them with sh^t like that. Boxing is guilty of it to.
This Chavez fight last weekend is a perfect example of hustling the public at large. Just about every boxing fan knew it was a complete bs fight, but they enticed those Mexican casual boxing fans to buy to make it the first 1M+ buy PPV in boxing since Floyd vs Manny 2 years ago.
Idk about that. I think MMA fans are for sure open to more combat sports, but that's kinda cuz MMA is all about being open to more combat sports hence its name Mixed Martial Arts. Just about every MMA guy is a fan of boxing cuz it was the biggest combat sport when most of the guys fighting now were growing up so they have fond memories of boxing like most of us here do.
Idk that the fans specifically are alike. I think WWE fans might just be super loyal is the thing. They support their guys whatever they do unlike boxing or MMA fans it seems like. So when a WWE guy makes a movie or goes to MMA or what have you those WWE fans support that wrestler. Meanwhile boxing & MMA guys are like f#ck beats by dre & reebok if anything lol.
LOL.. I think you need to look at MMA when it comes to "screwing the public". McGregor and Rousey, two completely sub-par athletes trying to be billed as the baddest people on the planet. Remember when Rousey could have "beaten any man". LOL...
You don't look at revenue properly. dictator of revenue for a sporting event. PPV's are wonderful but there's a lot of $$ that is removed for a myriad of reasons.
CM Punk's main card fight got some higher numbers for that particular PPV too. The guy who headlined (Stipe Miocic) did 2x his previous best main event spot PPV numbers. Wrestling fans are very PPV friendly.
That's one of the main reasons it'll never get to the level of boxing. People who have brains and $ to spend don't want to see "CM Punk". They want to see an elite level athlete. Wrestling and UFC fans are very much alike however and they tend to like either or.
Good question.
I don't see how the fight won't generate around 15-17M at the gate, and around 1.5 - 1.8 M buys at 70 dollars each. They'll probably try and charge 74.99.
PPV alone will generate around 100M at least wouldn't you think?
Well that's they thing. The UFC doesn't need them to last. Its a f#cking meat grinder, rightly or wrongly. Guys are always moving up & down. Its like most sports in that ways. Boxers wouldn't be lasting as long as other athletes either if they were put thru the meat grinder like UFC guys are, like NFL guys are, like NBA guys are. There is a level of competiveness in those sports that makes sure you always need to keep your spot that someone is always trying to take from you.
If boxing worked like most other sports Floyd woulda had fights with Margarito, Thurman, a couple with Pacquiao instead of just one, a couple with Marquez instead of just one & Tszyu & probably a bunch of other fights that couldn't be made cuz of politics & all sorts of other bs. Floyd is the mfing man, but Floyd isn't undefeated if he'd had to fought a murderers row of top completion like everyone has to do in most every other sport. And Pacquiao would probably have about 10, 12 loses by now before someone calls me a Floyd hater or something stupid.
Lol yeah ask the cavs and warriors that.
They haven't face anybody yet in the playoffs.
People saying they ruining the NBA.
What you put out was simple and clean Loma, ignore those fart heards who try to find a fault at everything. What you morons expect? him calling promoters and asking for official documents of each fight after all the expenses are caltulated?
Apart from that, I think UFC had been a short lived fashion, for a short period of time ppl enjoyed it and caught in the hype. I used to follow it back than, Strikeforce guys like Nick Diaz. It had a golden age filled with all these almost shot stars: Nick Diaz, Lyoto MAchida, WAnderlei Silva, Anderson Silva, Rousey, Chris Cyborg, male Cyborg, Cung Le, Frank Shamrock. Now all of them are gone and no other star will emerge (:
Only one I know is Connor right now. Mexicans have boxing, Brazilians adopted UFC. All Brazilian stars are long gone.
GGG-Canelo will sell an absolute ridiculous amount of buys, even more incredible amount of revenue and people will still say, "MMA is more popular". Even though it will sell more and make more than UFC could ever dream of.
LOL aw damn beat me to the line I basically just said.
But yea "Boxing" didn't do as good as Floyd & I'd say Manny did in the previous several years.
Lol. You can skew them however you want. Numbers are numbers. Year after year, the top boxing PPV outperforms the top UFC PPV. Even with Boxing being more expensive. Floyd and Manny will be replaced just like every other big time boxer was before them.
I pulled since 2010, you keep fanagling them until it was in UFCs favor (which some were 29 bucks). Let's just to the top Gates and PPVs they've ever had.
2010
Mayweather - Mosley
1.4M
Lesnar - Carwin
1.16
2011
Pacquiao-Marquez III
1.4M
St. Pierre - Shields
800K
2012
Mayweather - Cotto
1.5M
Silvia - Sonnen II
925K
2013
Mayweather - Alvarez
2.2M
Weidman - Silvia II
1.025
2014
Mayweather - Maidana II
925K
Weidman - Machida
545K
2015
Boxing: 0
Aldo - McGregor
1.2M
2016
Alvarez - Khan
600K
McGregor - Diaz II
1.65M
Yes, I should include all numbers and use the median (if I knew how to do that). I'll figure it out and add that in a more advanced study soon.
So MAYWEATHER was a Bigger Draw than the UFC Not Necessarily "Boxing" In General
From 2006-2015 the UFC sold 62M PPV's to boxing's 42M PPV's.
I haven't done numbers in a year, but I'd assume boxing is worse off in the 2007-2016 10 year period cuz MMA had a break thru year & boxing had a horrible year.
Revenue is a legit thing I'm curious about, but its impossible to get much data on revenue. I mean its hard enough to get rumored buy numbers. I'd love to know the revenue details doe.
Hey man I love boxing more than MMA myself, but numbers don't lie. MMA is catching more fire with combat sports fans than boxing is these days.
62 to 42? Are you excluding Mayweather? Lol