Pull Counter vs Slip Counter

floyd throws the best one imo....you could neutralize it by doubling(or more) the jab or a quick 1-2...trick is you just can't keep throwing the same sh1t over and over... funny thing is , pac landed clean on floyd his own version of it..

Sounds like that coach DKSAB, frankly. While he's right about what he's saying in concept, if you're fast enough and have the core strength, as we've seen time and again, the pull counter is the easiest way to quickly stun your opponent and get out of danger. http://i.imgur.com/LGg1hHk.gif http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-J_7QPyQnbHo/VQozrT0heFI/AAAAAAAAINg/fiAByj48ur0/s1600/Mayweather-pullback-right-Mosley.gif http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/5365d1cb6da8118935d3a617/straight-right.gif Slip counter's issue is that if you're not a southpaw, you're easy to time if you're not trained at least at an intermediate level. The best I ever saw do it was a prime Tyson - and he would drop you with one shot if he connected, nearly every time. For most amateurs or people learning to box they don't have the skills (yet) to do the pull counter but they still try it as they have seen their favourite boxers do it and this leads to bad form or them getting smacked in the face. Unless you're experieced I don't see why it would ever be recommended. Most people are likely not the next Mayweather and there's nothing wrong with that. The slip counter Loma does where he slips slightly to the left and recoils a straight left is my favourite move to do personally. (Funnily enough my coach is the bald dude in my avi.)

The slip is better for power cuz your base is strong. Pull is better for accuracy cuz you have a clear line of sight. If I need a ko, slip. If I want to win on points pull.

What's the advantage of the Pull Counter vs the Slip Counter and vice versa. While Pull Countering you simply pull your body back and then counter, during the Slip Counter you bend your body to a side and then counter. The base mechanics seem to be close to the same( avoiding the shot while being loaded for a counter), so why would you wanna do the rather risky Pull than the safer Slip? Pull counter has a better chance of landing flush Considering their jab hand is out of position n they are moving forward towards the counter A slip counter can be counter easier...ala ward/kov....no one noticed he never tried that counter again. It is a lil more dangerous. If you miss a pull counter and slip under to the right, or left and to your left, their is a better chance to avoid getting countered

I always taught the slip as a coach. It always a quicker, less telegraphed counter. It also allows for better balance and control.

As an addendum a slip counter is more versatile than a pull counter. You can slip inside, slip outside, slip counter with a jab or to the body. Pull counter is primarily used for a straight.

I've got away with doing that pull counter a lot, it's a natural reflex but once someone followed up with a body shot and I went down because I was off balance.

At my gym personally, my coach isn't fond of the pull counter and we get told off for doing it. It takes incredible reflexes and judgement of speed as you potentially leave your chin in the air and are immobile against follow up punches. However, one of my favourite moves is slipping to the left and throwing a straight left (as a southpaw). I think slipping should be sufficient in most scenarios.

To be honest it depends on the fighter and how they were trained..what works well for one person will not work for the next

Canelo's pull counters are a thing of beauty. ^ He's so overlooked in this regard. The guy is a far more intelligent boxer than people give him credit for. They think you need to be defensive to be crafty. http://ultraimg.com/images/Pullcounter.gif Another he does great is drawing out a counter in order to counter (usually; a feint jab, slip/duck the counter right and throw an overhand right counter).

Pull counters are susceptible to being countered themselves, and it takes a better judge of distance to pull them off. Canelo's pull counters are a thing of beauty.

Your counter punching off the slip will land quicker and be more effective. To pull away (back) then drop in to punch can have you run into punches coming behind the initial punch avoided. Slipping to the right can include your counter left hook with the move. This can be dangerous but skill set has everything to do with success. I prefer side to side slips or straight drop slips (bending the knees) over pulling back. In fact I never taught pulling away because of the vulnerable position you can wind up in. It seems todays trainers don't teach how to capitalize on a fighter leaning straight back. Maybe they don't know what to teach. Ray

A lot of guys get in trouble leaning back to evade punches and it's generally thought of as poor form. But, a lot of high level fighters get away with it anyway (Klitschkos being prime examples). I feel it's better to start out slipping and countering and if you get to the point that you can safely pull counter, try it out. Just don't make the mistake many do in thinking that just because high level guys do it, that it's a good idea. Fundamentals first.