Yesterday on ESPN:
Skip to 27:49 "Last year we didnt make it because we didnt think Canelo was ready for Golovkin. NOW WE think he is"
SO ALL THOSE OFFERS were bogus
Straight from the lying flip flopping mouth of loeffler days before he fought cotto.
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=721639
“There wouldn’t be any issues for us to come down to fight Canelo. There would still be a title on the line for Gennady because he would be fighting under 160, so he would be able to defend the titles at 156 or whatever you have the weight be. But Gennady would be willing to come down in weight to fight Canelo. I wouldn’t say it would be at 154 but certainly, given that Canelo fought his last fight at 155, then you could say that Gennady would certainly be willing to come down in weight to make the Canelo fight.” - Loeffler
Months AFTER Loeffler saying he would now refuse to negotiate below 160 and started trying to force a vacate rather then make the fight. And even said if he did vacate he would then negotiate weight which he also lied because after canelo dropped the belt still said would only fight at 160
http://www.badlefthook.com/platform/amp/2016/1/29/10868856/tom-loeffler-canelo-alvarez-must-face-gennady-golovkin-at-a-full-160
"In our particular instance against Canelo there wouldn't be any negotiations about the weight. It would be two middleweight champions fighting each other at 160lbs. Now if Canelo vacates the title and it becomes a voluntary fight down the road in 2017, then anything is negotiable - the money, location and weight. - loeffler
Unlike you lame clowns making up phony titles with quotes that never were said I can provide direct quotes.
Why are you lying and making **** up? Nowhere in the video does Gomez state that they would would have fought Golovkin below 160. What he said was we didn't take fight because we were not ready.
Gomez. Actual translation. " We didn't take the fight because we felt canelo was not ready."
Big Dunny translation in his own fantasy world. "We didn't take the fight because ggg would not fight canelo at 155. Had he agreed to 155 the fight would have been made."
Lying and making up quotes once again. Carry on troll boy.
The 160 lb weight had nothing to do with them vacating. Because you either don't know or have a short memory
but after the khan fight canelo and GBP clearly said weight will not be an issue and the fight would be at 160. Then after saying they would fight ggg at 160 they vacated the title. This was all bull**** and they had no intention of fighting ggg at any weight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1fJtXQihtw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeF_z4_QDyo
Consider yourself owned.
Where in any quote did he say he was avoiding GGG? He said it over and over last year canelo is not ready for 160 hes not a middleweight which as we know is the ONLY weight GGG would fight at. First his promoter said he would go down to make the fight then refused to negotiate weight demanding only at 160. Stop being clowns lying with titles saying someone said something he didn't. Gomez said a million times last year canelo is not ready for 160 weight was the issue all last year. They were willing to make the fight but only at the weight canelo fought at. And GGG refused so he had to wait till canelo moved up to 160.
http://www.boxingscene.com/golden-boy-vp-canelo-154-pounder-no-160-golovkin--103697
“Canelo is not a middleweight … if Gennady really wants to make the fight, maybe we can talk about some catch-weight where Gennady comes down and Canelo goes up, but he’s truly a 154-pounder,” Gomez said. “If Canelo is giving up weight, Gennady should, too.”
You didnt even respond to my statement. Canelo said he will fight GGG at 160. Canelo is a *****. You are probably one of the people who said manny should of taken the 40mil offer from floyd also thankfully you are not a manager.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1fJtXQihtw
AFTER KHAN FIGHT - I'll fight ggg at 160 no problem. NO ISSUES AT ALL. LOL.
OSCAR DE LA HOYA INSISTS WEIGHT WON'T BE AN ISSUE IN NEGOTIATIONS FOR CANELO VS. GOLOVKIN after khan fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeF_z4_QDyo
After saying 160 would not be an issue in the fight against ggg after the khan fight GBP AND Canelo decided it would be best to vacate the title and not negotiate at all.
GOMEZ. "We didn't fight ggg because we felt canelo was not ready." LMAO.
At 160 up phuking idiot. They said the same thing all last year. Weight was the issue, the fact that Canelo NEVER fought at 160 was the issue had GGG done what he said he would they would of made the fight at the weight Canelo was fighting at. But GGG demanded it only be at 160 and tried to force a purse bid. So they told GGG ok then you can wait a year until Canelo moves up to 160 since you don't want to try and negotiate a fight below 160. GGG own trainer said we refuse to negotiate the weight. This after mr 154 or 168 said I can make 154 easy. And after Loeffler BEFORE canelo/cotto said they understand both guys have never fought at 160 and will have no problem making a catchweight.
You idiots literally putting words in gomez mouth that he didn't say. Unilike you I can post a real quote
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=721639
“There wouldn’t be any issues for us to come down to fight Canelo. There would still be a title on the line for Gennady because he would be fighting under 160, so he would be able to defend the titles at 156 or whatever you have the weight be. But Gennady would be willing to come down in weight to fight Canelo. I wouldn’t say it would be at 154 but certainly, given that Canelo fought his last fight at 155, then you could say that Gennady would certainly be willing to come down in weight to make the Canelo fight.” - Loeffler
Why are you lying and making **** up? Nowhere in the video does Gomez state that they would would have fought Golovkin below 160. What he said was we didn't take fight because we were not ready.
Gomez. Actual translation. " We didn't take the fight because we felt canelo was not ready."
Big Dunny translation in his own fantasy world. "We didn't take the fight because ggg would not fight canelo at 155. Had he agreed to 155 the fight would have been made."
Lying and making up quotes once again. Carry on troll boy.
The 160 lb weight had nothing to do with them vacating. Because you either don't know or have a short memory
but after the khan fight canelo and GBP clearly said weight will not be an issue and the fight would be at 160. Then after saying they would fight ggg at 160 they vacated the title. This was all bull**** and they had no intention of fighting ggg at any weight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1fJtXQihtw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeF_z4_QDyo
Consider yourself owned.
Canelo agreed to catchweight and agreed to every other Floyd demand to make the fight including giving Floyd a 90/10 split. That's what B sides do when they want the fight. Now you tell me why MR 154 or 168 turned down fights with Ward and Canelo at both those weights he and his team said they would go to? Why he turned down 15m after saying he is not business man just wants the fights? and why he backed out the Saunders fight refusing to sign the contract? Stop pretending fights don't exist for GGG he just turns them down because he refuses to make concessions to land these fights while others agree to make fights. Canelo won the belt at 155 stop pretending he won it at 160 or had been fighting at that weight. He won it at 1 single pound above Super Welterweight against another Super Welterweight.
GGG camp misplayed negotiations tried to make demands that NO B side makes to a PPV star. First demanding he move up on their time table and then trying to force a purse bid to get money they didn't deserve. Now the fight will happen on Canelos terms with him making significantly more money. If you can't understand that sorry that's your problem. GGG could of made more money and got the fight last year if he had a better promoter that gave him good advice. Instead he spends more time turning down fights by refusing to move weight, pricing himself out, and various other dumb business decions. But if that's good enough for you and the 100K fans who actually bother to buy his fights then he will keep fighting bums and turning down the fights fans want to see.
You didnt even respond to my statement. Canelo said he will fight GGG at 160. Canelo is a *****. You are probably one of the people who said manny should of taken the 40mil offer from floyd also thankfully you are not a manager.
I think they talking about the weight. Last year they said over and over Canelo is not ready for 160. GGG refused to come down in weight so he had to wait till Canelo moved up to 160 what's hard to understand? Failed for Misleading title SMH
your posting history indicates otherwise......
At 160 up phuking idiot. They said the same thing all last year. Weight was the issue, the fact that Canelo NEVER fought at 160 was the issue had GGG done what he said he would they would of made the fight at the weight Canelo was fighting at. But GGG demanded it only be at 160 and tried to force a purse bid. So they told GGG ok then you can wait a year until Canelo moves up to 160 since you don't want to try and negotiate a fight below 160. GGG own trainer said we refuse to negotiate the weight. This after mr 154 or 168 said I can make 154 easy. And after Loeffler BEFORE canelo/cotto said they understand both guys have never fought at 160 and will have no problem making a catchweight.
You idiots literally putting words in gomez mouth that he didn't say. Unilike you I can post a real quote
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=721639
“There wouldn’t be any issues for us to come down to fight Canelo. There would still be a title on the line for Gennady because he would be fighting under 160, so he would be able to defend the titles at 156 or whatever you have the weight be. But Gennady would be willing to come down in weight to fight Canelo. I wouldn’t say it would be at 154 but certainly, given that Canelo fought his last fight at 155, then you could say that Gennady would certainly be willing to come down in weight to make the Canelo fight.” - Loeffler
Ok so Canelo wouldn't even fight G at 154. Thanks I wasn't aware of that..
You're not getting it or you're trolling. Gomez just said in the video we did not make the fight because we thought canelo was not ready. There were no negotiations or offers that could have made the fight because canelo's team was not going to make the fight happen.
At 160 up phuking idiot. They said the same thing all last year. Weight was the issue, the fact that Canelo NEVER fought at 160 was the issue had GGG done what he said he would they would of made the fight at the weight Canelo was fighting at. But GGG demanded it only be at 160 and tried to force a purse bid. So they told GGG ok then you can wait a year until Canelo moves up to 160 since you don't want to try and negotiate a fight below 160. GGG own trainer said we refuse to negotiate the weight. This after mr 154 or 168 said I can make 154 easy. And after Loeffler BEFORE canelo/cotto said they understand both guys have never fought at 160 and will have no problem making a catchweight.
You idiots literally putting words in gomez mouth that he didn't say. Unilike you I can post a real quote
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=721639
“There wouldn’t be any issues for us to come down to fight Canelo. There would still be a title on the line for Gennady because he would be fighting under 160, so he would be able to defend the titles at 156 or whatever you have the weight be. But Gennady would be willing to come down in weight to fight Canelo. I wouldn’t say it would be at 154 but certainly, given that Canelo fought his last fight at 155, then you could say that Gennady would certainly be willing to come down in weight to make the Canelo fight.” - Loeffler
we have to marinate this and let it get really big...like we did with Juanma and Gamboa a few years ago...remember how successful that ended up being?
juanma's got a big rematch lined up with the trainer he fought in the ring after his last fight. he's still on top!
Canelo's team comes out and says we didn't make the fight because we didn't think he was ready and the canelo cum swallowers come out in full defense with a bunch of excuses saying that's not what he meant, canelo still wanted to fight him, etcc.... LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL WORST GROUP OF FANS BY FAR.
Canelo agreed to catchweight and agreed to every other Floyd demand to make the fight including giving Floyd a 90/10 split. That's what B sides do when they want the fight. Now you tell me why MR 154 or 168 turned down fights with Ward and Canelo at both those weights he and his team said they would go to? Why he turned down 15m after saying he is not business man just wants the fights? and why he backed out the Saunders fight refusing to sign the contract? Stop pretending fights don't exist for GGG he just turns them down because he refuses to make concessions to land these fights while others agree to make fights. Canelo won the belt at 155 stop pretending he won it at 160 or had been fighting at that weight. He won it at 1 single pound above Super Welterweight against another Super Welterweight.
GGG camp misplayed negotiations tried to make demands that NO B side makes to a PPV star. First demanding he move up on their time table and then trying to force a purse bid to get money they didn't deserve. Now the fight will happen on Canelos terms with him making significantly more money. If you can't understand that sorry that's your problem. GGG could of made more money and got the fight last year if he had a better promoter that gave him good advice. Instead he spends more time turning down fights by refusing to move weight, pricing himself out, and various other dumb business decions. But if that's good enough for you and the 100K fans who actually bother to buy his fights then he will keep fighting bums and turning down the fights fans want to see.
You're not getting it or you're trolling. Gomez just said in the video we did not make the fight because we thought canelo was not ready. There were no negotiations or offers that could have made the fight because canelo's team was not going to make the fight happen.
Show me where Gomez said any of the non sense you posted?
I'll just repeat this
Dude. Think a little if you can. If a promotor has a fighter in line to fight a fight he doesn't think he is ready for then what will the promotor do?
A: Send an acceptable offer to the fighter he doesn't think his client can beat?
B: Send a bogus offer filled with poison pills?
C: Send no offer and just maneuver so the fight will be avoided?
Show me some iq in your reply fella.
The problem is, they are not imbeciles, they are actually very clever. What they are doing is using their perosnal agenda to discredit particular fighters...not realising that NSB is a tiny, inconsequential part of the boxing world lol
I've sometimes wondered are some of these guys the same person?
Easily understood by intelligent people, not so easy for these imbeciles
The problem is, they are not imbeciles, they are actually very clever. What they are doing is using their perosnal agenda to discredit particular fighters...not realising that NSB is a tiny, inconsequential part of the boxing world lol
Honestly, do we even need this video? Gomez confirmed there was no 15 million dollar offer. Canelo confirmed a move down to 154 after saying he owuld fight GGG next. Canelo is now fighting at super middleweight.
In case people haven't noticed, GGG fights at MW. Canelo is the only one who seems to moving around 160 and avoiding the fight.
Easily understood by intelligent people, not so easy for these imbeciles
Honestly, do we even need this video? Gomez confirmed there was no 15 million dollar offer. Canelo confirmed a move down to 154 after saying he owuld fight GGG next. Canelo is now fighting at super middleweight.
In case people haven't noticed, GGG fights at MW. Canelo is the only one who seems to moving around 160 and avoiding the fight.
Canelo don't give a rats azz about that belt he wanted the fight against Cotto. If the belt is on the line so be it but he won that belt at 155 had no intentions of his next fight being at 160. Floyd, Manny, and Cotto have all won belts at catchweights when they had no intentions of defending it LMAO at you thinking they care who any belt mandatory is. All have vacated belts WITHOUT ever moving up to defend it just because a organization said so. GGG said he would go to 154 he still says he can make 154 as he calls out Floyd, his promoter before Canelo/Cotto said they had no problems going down to a catchweight for the winner because they realized NEITHER has ever fought at 160 and both were without doubt the A side. After the fight GGG camp flip flopped and refused to negotiate weight and tried to force a purse bid to get weight and purse splits that are unfavorable to the A side. It was idiotic and killed the fight it's as simple as that.
If Mr 154 or 168 wanted the fight last year he should of dropped a few lbs and negotiated the fight. And we see that weight wasn't the only issue these phuking idiots turned down 15m I can show you interviews with GGG a week before the Jacobs fights demanding a 50/50 split from Canelo. Like I said don't blame anyone else because GGG turns down fights refuses to give concessions to make fights. Canelo held belts at the SAME weight as Floyd but Floyd told him I am NOT going to 154 if you want the fight you need to come down to catchweight. Canelo didn't cry and try to force purse bids to make Floyd vacate which he absolutely would of because Floyd is his own man and fights on his terms or not at all.
So where is the explaination bigtoilet1 of why canyellow is a duck, this is about yellow ducking GGG, where is the explaination, even GBP couldn't avoid saying it any more
9y ago
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