Mayweather and the conspiracy theories...

FU I write the truth not want you want me to write Lol, but you're not writing facts, only you're opinion of what you believe to be true. Dumb.

Way to try to stay unbiased....gtfo of my thread FU I write the truth not want you want me to write

Fail...your source is outdated from 2011. You didn't even bother to read the links I posted. I said Floyd was caught with an illegal IV which is true. Reading comprehension will get you through the door. So far you are in the outside looking in. I'm playing chess while you are playing checkers. Stop embarassing yourself. That's a start. You claimed it was a FACT Floyd was caught and posted a dco found evidence of an IV. Prove it. Post the link. And source.

We can agree on that. I've wasted time. Guess I'll waste some more. 1. Key word Conte isnt "officially" associated with VADA. However he is on record as being a consultant - VADAs knock off version of a WADA TUEC. 2. My source - before any negative backlash from the public - here's CONTE HIMSELF EXPLAINING UP AND COMING VADA AND HIS ROLE... "Conte told Dennis Guillermo of Boxing Scene that a new anti-doping task force will soon become operational. Its goal is to provide athletes with the most comprehensive drug testing. Conte calls this VADA (Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency.) “We’ve been working on this since September of last year and we hope to implement it in the near future,” Conte said. However, a definite date has not been set. “How soon that can be, whether it’s going to be in days, weeks or months, I can’t tell you. But it’s going to be in the near future.” http://www.ironmagazine.com/2011/victor-conte-launching-anti-doping-task-force-vada/ Your only source is Thomas Hauser article???? I have read USADA detailed rebuttal which contradicts Mr Hauser claims. Given Mr Hauser has falsely reported inaccurate information and misinformation in the same article you're quoting - the Morales conspiracy doesn't have any credibility. More of the same article from the same source written by an author that has admitted inaccuracies - that only quotes Victor Conte - reads like an advertisement for VADA. 1. You haven't disputed anything of reverence in my post. 2. You claimed Floyd was "caught". False. Lets start there. Fail...your source is outdated from 2011. You didn't even bother to read the links I posted. I said Floyd was caught with an illegal IV which is true. Reading comprehension will get you through the door. So far you are in the outside looking in. I'm playing chess while you are playing checkers. Stop embarassing yourself.

Dude juiced up like a mofo. He just had enough money to pay off the right people and destroy the evidence.

You got one thing right, you wasted your time. We can agree on that. I've wasted time. Guess I'll waste some more. Conte is not a co-founder or in any way officially associated with VADA, this according to the head of VADA Dr. Margaret Goodman and Conte himself--and VADA was around before Pac and Floyd negotiated the fight. But if you want to take the word of a cheating liar like Memo, go right ahead. I'm sure your "sources" are Memo Heredia in order to support your weak argument. http://www.boxingscene.com/victor-conte-clarifies-association-with-vada--71433 1. Key word Conte isnt "officially" associated with VADA. However he is on record as being a consultant - VADAs knock off version of a WADA TUEC. 2. My source - before any negative backlash from the public - here's CONTE HIMSELF EXPLAINING UP AND COMING VADA AND HIS ROLE... "Conte told Dennis Guillermo of Boxing Scene that a new anti-doping task force will soon become operational. Its goal is to provide athletes with the most comprehensive drug testing. Conte calls this VADA (Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency.) “We’ve been working on this since September of last year and we hope to implement it in the near future,” Conte said. However, a definite date has not been set. “How soon that can be, whether it’s going to be in days, weeks or months, I can’t tell you. But it’s going to be in the near future.” http://www.ironmagazine.com/2011/victor-conte-launching-anti-doping-task-force-vada/ "The moment that the “B” sample from Morales’ first test came back positive, standard testing protocol dictated that this information be forwarded to the New York State Athletic Commission. But neither USADA nor Richard Schaefer did so in a timely manner. Rather, it appears as though the commission and the public may have been deliberately misled in regard to the testing and how many tests Morales had failed. New York State Athletic Commission sources say that the first notice the NYSAC received regarding Morales’ test results came in a three-way telephone conversation with representatives of Golden Boy and USADA after the story broke on Halestorm Sports. In that conversation, the commission was told that there were “some questionable test results” for Morales but that testing of Morales’ “B” sample would not be available until after the fight. Travis Tygart has since said, “The licensing body was aware of the positive test prior to the fight. What they did with it was their call.” That’s terribly misleading." From SB Nation article: Your only source is Thomas Hauser article???? I have read USADA detailed rebuttal which contradicts Mr Hauser claims. Given Mr Hauser has falsely reported inaccurate information and misinformation in the same article you're quoting - the Morales conspiracy doesn't have any credibility. Other concerns raised by the lengthy report for SB Nation include: •The USADA, a non-governmental agency that receives about $10 million in annual funding from Congress, appeared to have given favorable treatment to some boxers, including not just Mayweather but Erik Morales, who in 2012 tested positive for a PED and reportedly failed several more tests, although the New York State Athletic Commission was not informed of the failed tests in a timely manner. •Mayweather’s camp has claimed that the fighter is subject to testing “365-24-7 by USADA,” but in reality, he determines when the testing period begins. In the case of the Berto fight, that began when the event, which had been rumored for weeks, was officially announced in early August, by which point Mayweather potentially could have undergone an assortment of treatments following the Pacquiao bout. •As Conte put it, “I can’t tell you what Floyd Mayweather is and isn’t doing. What he could be doing is this. The fight is over. First, he uses these drugs for tissue repair. Then he can stay on them until he announces his next fight, at which time he’s the one who decides when the next round of testing starts. And by the time testing starts, the drugs have cleared his system.” •The drug-testing contract with USADA agreed to by Mayweather and Pacquiao provided for exceptions to WADA rules. •In 2012, Pacquiao’s camp rejected a proposed contract clause that could have allowed USADA to grant a retroactive TUE without notifying the NSAC or the other fighter. •In tests administered to Mayweather by the NSAC for fights in 2011 and 2013, he posted unusually low testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratios, either of which, as another expert described to Hauser, should have served as “a warning flag” for doping. •Another anti-doping agency, VADA, charges less than USADA and offers more stringent tests. •In 46 fights for which it has done testing, USADA acknowledged just one boxer caught with PEDs (Morales), whereas VADA had found three positive results in 18 fights. Among the fighters VADA flagged for PED use was Berto, in 2012. More of the same article from the same source written by an author that has admitted inaccuracies - that only quotes Victor Conte - reads like an advertisement for VADA. Next time dispute facts with facts, not opinions or biased articles. 1. You haven't disputed anything of reverence in my post. 2. You claimed Floyd was "caught". False. Lets start there.

1. Theraputic Use Exemptions are part of WADA rules that ADO signatories are bound to follow. 2. Can you tell me who asked the questions that you accused tygart of not answering? These are not facts - but let's play... This is a false rumor. It was reported by Thomas Hauser and also debunked by Thomas Hauser himself. 1. Retroactive "immunity" or Theraputic Use Exemptions are also a part of WADA protocol. No where in any writing does it state a time limit in which retro active tues can be submitted. 2. The approval of Floyd's TUE was done by an independent committee of doctors who have no knowledge of the identity of the applicant - that was submitted 3 weeks later. 3. Floyd provided a partial urine sample before and after the IV. I can reasonably imagine this weighs heavily when granting approval. Again false reporting by Thomas Hauser. 1. Year round testing was rarely if not ever being done in the sport of boxing until recently with VADA. 2. VADA year round testing consist of 2 unannounced test per year. USADA has tested Floyd dozens of times and most importantly utilize ATHLETE BIOLOGICAL PASSPORT system - the future of testing. 3. USADA has always been an advocate for year round testing. More false information reported by Thomas Hauser based on Victor Conte - this was BEFORE he was made aware that ALL Floyd samples have been CIR tested. This is an important fact that you need to acknowledge because t/e ratios that are a "red flag" are then subject to........ CIR TESTING!!!#! Floyd's T/E levels are irrelevant. False. VADA , co founded by convicted drug cheat Victor conte, wasn't even created when Floyd and Manny started negotiations. The fact you think VADA - who doesn't adhere to WADA protocols - is more sophisticated makes me realize how much of my time you just wasted. I wish I read that before replying. Try harder. Bring more facts. Less KNOWN rumors. You got one thing right, you wasted your time. Conte is not a co-founder or in any way officially associated with VADA, this according to the head of VADA Dr. Margaret Goodman and Conte himself--and VADA was around before Pac and Floyd negotiated the fight. But if you want to take the word of a cheating liar like Memo, go right ahead. I'm sure your "sources" are Memo Heredia in order to support your weak argument. http://www.boxingscene.com/victor-conte-clarifies-association-with-vada--71433 "The moment that the “B” sample from Morales’ first test came back positive, standard testing protocol dictated that this information be forwarded to the New York State Athletic Commission. But neither USADA nor Richard Schaefer did so in a timely manner. Rather, it appears as though the commission and the public may have been deliberately misled in regard to the testing and how many tests Morales had failed. New York State Athletic Commission sources say that the first notice the NYSAC received regarding Morales’ test results came in a three-way telephone conversation with representatives of Golden Boy and USADA after the story broke on Halestorm Sports. In that conversation, the commission was told that there were “some questionable test results” for Morales but that testing of Morales’ “B” sample would not be available until after the fight. Travis Tygart has since said, “The licensing body was aware of the positive test prior to the fight. What they did with it was their call.” That’s terribly misleading." From SB Nation article: Other concerns raised by the lengthy report for SB Nation include: •The USADA, a non-governmental agency that receives about $10 million in annual funding from Congress, appeared to have given favorable treatment to some boxers, including not just Mayweather but Erik Morales, who in 2012 tested positive for a PED and reportedly failed several more tests, although the New York State Athletic Commission was not informed of the failed tests in a timely manner. •Mayweather’s camp has claimed that the fighter is subject to testing “365-24-7 by USADA,” but in reality, he determines when the testing period begins. In the case of the Berto fight, that began when the event, which had been rumored for weeks, was officially announced in early August, by which point Mayweather potentially could have undergone an assortment of treatments following the Pacquiao bout. •As Conte put it, “I can’t tell you what Floyd Mayweather is and isn’t doing. What he could be doing is this. The fight is over. First, he uses these drugs for tissue repair. Then he can stay on them until he announces his next fight, at which time he’s the one who decides when the next round of testing starts. And by the time testing starts, the drugs have cleared his system.” •The drug-testing contract with USADA agreed to by Mayweather and Pacquiao provided for exceptions to WADA rules. •In 2012, Pacquiao’s camp rejected a proposed contract clause that could have allowed USADA to grant a retroactive TUE without notifying the NSAC or the other fighter. •In tests administered to Mayweather by the NSAC for fights in 2011 and 2013, he posted unusually low testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratios, either of which, as another expert described to Hauser, should have served as “a warning flag” for doping. •Another anti-doping agency, VADA, charges less than USADA and offers more stringent tests. •In 46 fights for which it has done testing, USADA acknowledged just one boxer caught with PEDs (Morales), whereas VADA had found three positive results in 18 fights. Among the fighters VADA flagged for PED use was Berto, in 2012. Next time dispute facts with facts, not opinions or biased articles.

I have no knowledge of any of that stuff you just wrote about. All I know is that both Pacquiao and Mayweather have both been tested clean many times and never once been found guilty of using anything illegal. I assume they are both clean fighters and have no reason to assume otherwise. Correct, there are no FACTS, just suspicions and speculation, hence it being more conspiracy theories

I have no knowledge of any of that stuff you just wrote about. All I know is that both Pacquiao and Mayweather have both been tested clean many times and never once been found guilty of using anything illegal. I assume they are both clean fighters and have no reason to assume otherwise.

Can't believe people are that ****ing stupid they believe VADA is more "sophisticated" than a WADA SIGNATORY. The only thing "WADA" that VADA and Victor Conte does is have hired uber drivers drop off samples at a lab that has the ability to perform WADA protocols. They just order from the dollar menu.

Floyd never got caught for PED use because he has used his vast wealth to help the US Government build a portal to Zebulon 3 that is known to have the most effective and most undetectable PEDs in the universe. I heard it was in the form of an IV which would explain the IV and why he never got caught up because it just appeared normal along with all his tests. In a century or so our testing will catch up and Floyd will be discredited then!

No one can comment to Tygart's motives or intentions, however, USADA has breached ethical codes of conduct by selectively administering tests and granting retroactive immunity for banned substances. Tygart has also refused to answer questions when asked to identify boxing matches and boxing drug testing contracts for which USADA drug testing contracts were filed with NY or Nevada State Athletic Commissions. 1. Theraputic Use Exemptions are part of WADA rules that ADO signatories are bound to follow. 2. Can you tell me who asked the questions that you accused tygart of not answering? Here are the facts that we know of: These are not facts - but let's play... Mayweather used an illegal IV hours after his weigh in for the Pac fight. A collection agent for USADA went to Floyd's home to conduct random unannounced testing and found evidence of an IV being administered to Floyd. This is a false rumor. It was reported by Thomas Hauser and also debunked by Thomas Hauser himself. The contents of the IV were not illegal but the administration of those contents by IV was as per WADA rules. Floyd for some peculiar reason was granted retroactive immunity for this by USADA three weeks after the fight. 1. Retroactive "immunity" or Theraputic Use Exemptions are also a part of WADA protocol. No where in any writing does it state a time limit in which retro active tues can be submitted. 2. The approval of Floyd's TUE was done by an independent committee of doctors who have no knowledge of the identity of the applicant - that was submitted 3 weeks later. 3. Floyd provided a partial urine sample before and after the IV. I can reasonably imagine this weighs heavily when granting approval. When Erik Morales tested positive for a banned substance in 2012, the USADA did not notify the NYSAC and the fight with Garcia went on anyway. Again false reporting by Thomas Hauser. The USADA claims to test athletes all year round, however, Mayweather is somehow exempt. He only tests after his fights are announced. Hence his short notice to fight most of his opponents. Berto received only 39 days notice. 1. Year round testing was rarely if not ever being done in the sport of boxing until recently with VADA. 2. VADA year round testing consist of 2 unannounced test per year. USADA has tested Floyd dozens of times and most importantly utilize ATHLETE BIOLOGICAL PASSPORT system - the future of testing. 3. USADA has always been an advocate for year round testing. USADA refused to conduct more stringent testing for Mayweather after two occasions where his testosterone to epitestestosterone levels have been alarmingly low. This is a red flag that was ignored. Low ratio of T/E is a red flag for PED usage and suggests masking to hide those levels. So we have low testosterone levels and a needle in his arm, but no one should questions this? More false information reported by Thomas Hauser based on Victor Conte - this was BEFORE he was made aware that ALL Floyd samples have been CIR tested. This is an important fact that you need to acknowledge because t/e ratios that are a "red flag" are then subject to........ CIR TESTING!!!#! Floyd's T/E levels are irrelevant. VADA conducts proper year round testing, USADA does not. Pacquiao insisted on the more thorough VADA testing for their fight while Mayweather insisted on the less sophisticated USADA method...why? False. VADA , co founded by convicted drug cheat Victor conte, wasn't even created when Floyd and Manny started negotiations. The fact you think VADA - who doesn't adhere to WADA protocols - is more sophisticated makes me realize how much of my time you just wasted. I wish I read that before replying. Try harder. Bring more facts. Less KNOWN rumors.

Morales was on clen lot, hardly a steroid for power I said PED, which covers all perforance enhancing drugs not just steroids.

Stamina is one. Weight loss is another. Recovery time after workouts is another. Speed and quickness another. FWIW, PEDs don't always guarantee desired results. Look at Morales versus Garcia, look at James Toney. Morales was on clen, hardly a steroid for power

Stamina is one. Weight loss is another. Recovery time after workouts is another. Speed and quickness another. FWIW, PEDs don't always guarantee desired results. Look at Morales versus Garcia, look at James Toney. Equally he was hardly high volume enough that at 147 he wouldnt require them for stamina, he was always quick so cant see speed being a reason and although as you get older recovery time is an issue he was an such an elite athlete that his change in fight plan over his career is enough for me to think the iv issue is nothing.

The reason why I always thought the Mayweather iv was genuine and not masking performance enhancing drugs is why would a boxer who ended up with only 2 ko's in 15 fights from 147 and above (1 against Hatton moving up a weight and the other the Ortiz one which was hardly a display of power) be on steroids, his whole game plan boiled down to being the better boxer. Stamina is one. Weight loss is another. Recovery time after workouts is another. Speed and quickness another. FWIW, PEDs don't always guarantee desired results. Look at Morales versus Garcia, look at James Toney.

Armstrong had no choice, like Mosley, A-Rod, they were snitched on. Armstrong was ratted out by his teammates. No one has ratted out Floyd because there's nothing to rat about. It's just media and fans wishful thinking.

The reason why I always thought the Mayweather iv was genuine and not masking performance enhancing drugs is why would a boxer who ended up with only 2 ko's in 15 fights from 147 and above (1 against Hatton moving up a weight and the other the Ortiz one which was hardly a display of power) be on steroids, his whole game plan boiled down to being the better boxer.

The Mayweather name will live on forever! Everything is about TBE. Re-name this website to FloydScene.

It's funny how all the degenerated haters on NSB turn out to be flomos.