Why PPv numbers are low

Heard canelo vs chavez jr did a million

Obviously its why pay ppv when better fights come on free tv.. duh, use your brains

It's getting more expensive and no one has been able to captivate the audience since Manny and Floyd outside of Canelo.

There are alot of valid reasons that other people have already brought up but one that I haven't seen is the scorecard for the Pac vs Floyd fight The majority of fans thought that Pac won, you can hear it in the crowd after the final bell. Alot of fans saw how corrupt boxing can be and were turned off from the sport. I had it 8-4 for Pac and didn't find the fight boring at all. It was one of the best defensive fights from both fighters I've ever seen. I would pay for a rematch but the window is closing and no one will care about a rematch in 2018 8-4 bwahahhaa

There are alot of valid reasons that other people have already brought up but one that I haven't seen is the scorecard for the Pac vs Floyd fight The majority of fans thought that Pac won, you can hear it in the crowd after the final bell. Alot of fans saw how corrupt boxing can be and were turned off from the sport. I had it 8-4 for Pac and didn't find the fight boring at all. It was one of the best defensive fights from both fighters I've ever seen. I would pay for a rematch but the window is closing and no one will care about a rematch in 2018

I scored Floyd/Pac 118-110. so yeah it was a "dud"..a dud from Pacquiao. Floyd was the same fighter we've seen for 20 years. Manny and Roach kept saying in the media they were gonna jump on Floyd from round 1. after eating one right hand Manny said to hell with that and began to second guess himself. but honestly fans were more pissed off with what happened after the fight. the endless excuses from Pacquiao & the revelation of an "injury". fans were upset because had this "injury" been revealed beforehand they would've saved $100 on the PPV. anybody blaming Floyd for lack of action doesn't know boxing. if you're going to purchase a product you must know what it is you're getting into. everybody knew Floyd is no KO artist. the guy who was supposed to bring the "action" was Pacquiao, he chose to play chess instead and got washed. but with saying all that the reality is throughout the history of PPV there's only been a handful of stars that do great numbers. Tyson, Oscar, Floyd and Pacquiao. that's it. Roy Jones was the goat of the 90's and he never became no PPV megastar. so it's not a knock on a fighters legacy if he doesn't become a PPV star. too many fans get too caught up in that. but if I was a promoter and wanted to build a PPV attraction I would take my fighter to the UK and build his brand there. fans there are way more passionate and dedicated to the sport. And Holyfield

Because you can have great quality live streaming for 5 dollars. This is the new age and box promoters seem to be as stupid as the music industry was. If I was them I would use my resources and instead of charging 50-60 dollars a bout I would stream for 5-10 bucks.

UFC PPV's that have done 1M+ Buys 1. Conor McGregor vs Nate Diaz II 1.65M (2016) 2. Brock Lesnar vs Frank Mir II 1.6M (2009) 3. Conor McGregor vs Nate Diaz 1.3M (2016) 3. Conor McGregor vs Eddie Alvarez 1.3M (2016) 5. Brock Lesnar vs Shane Carwin 1.16M (2010) 6. Ronda Rousey vs Holly Holm 1.1M (2015) 6. Ronda Rousey vs Amanda Nunes 1.1M (2016) 8. Chuck Liddell vs Tito Ortiz II 1.05M (2006) 8. Rashad Evans vs Quinton Jackson 1.05M (2010) 8. Brock Lesnar vs Cain Velasquez 1.05M (2010) 11. Anderson Silva vs Chris Weidman 1.02M (2013) 11. Conor McGregor vs Jose Aldo 1.02 (2015) 13. Brock Lesnar vs Randy Couture 1.01M (2008) 14. Rashad Evans vs Forrest Griffin 1.0M (2008) 14. Miesha Tate vs Amanda Nunes 1.0M (2016) So there were years where they didn't do 1 mill ppv buys

UFC PPV's that have done 1M+ Buys 1. Conor McGregor vs Nate Diaz II 1.65M (2016) 2. Brock Lesnar vs Frank Mir II 1.6M (2009) 3. Conor McGregor vs Nate Diaz 1.3M (2016) 3. Conor McGregor vs Eddie Alvarez 1.3M (2016) 5. Brock Lesnar vs Shane Carwin 1.16M (2010) 6. Ronda Rousey vs Holly Holm 1.1M (2015) 6. Ronda Rousey vs Amanda Nunes 1.1M (2016) 8. Chuck Liddell vs Tito Ortiz II 1.05M (2006) 8. Rashad Evans vs Quinton Jackson 1.05M (2010) 8. Brock Lesnar vs Cain Velasquez 1.05M (2010) 11. Anderson Silva vs Chris Weidman 1.02M (2013) 11. Conor McGregor vs Jose Aldo 1.02 (2015) 13. Brock Lesnar vs Randy Couture 1.01M (2008) 14. Rashad Evans vs Forrest Griffin 1.0M (2008) 14. Miesha Tate vs Amanda Nunes 1.0M (2016) Thanks for the numbers U legitimately have to be a superstar to do 1 mill ppv buys consistently

Did you just start watching boxing? Do you know how many horrible big PPV fights supposedly killed the sport? Tyson-Holyfield 2, De La Hoya-Trinidad, etc. The fights that are on PPV these days involve boxers who don't belong on there or fights that don't belong on there. It's really that simple. This is about the closest thing I've seen to a right answer among a sea of bad answers in this thread. It has nothing to do with Floyd vs Manny. Floyd is about to be in maybe the biggest boxing PPV in history if this Conor thing happens. So is this Floyd & Manny PPV curse just effecting everyone except him lol? It has nothing to do with streaming. Most people are f#cking stupid with anything technology related. I mean go look at any RBR thread & you'll see a dozen people asking for a stream link a decade(?) or so into streaming online. Shouldn't they know where to find a stream by themselves by now? And most people are dumber about streams then people cruising an online boxing forum about streams I promise you. I think the biggest illusion is that PPV is some huge thing to begin with. There have only been 25 PPV's that have had 1M+ buys in the 26ish years PPV boxing has been a regular thing. You know how many of those 25 PPV's didn't have Floyd, Manny, Oscar, Tyson or Holyfield headlining? Zero of them. You wanna see the top 10 PPV's of all time not involving the magical 5 boxing superstars of Floyd, Manny, Oscar, Tyson or Holyfield? Here's the list (with as consistently accurate numbers as I've found in limited research): 1 (2015) Alvarez vs Cotto 900k 2 (1993) Foreman vs Morrison 600k 3 (2003) Jones Jr vs Ruiz 525k 4 (2012) Martinez vs Chavez Jr 475k 5 (2016) Alvarez vs Khan 450k (or 600k depending on who you believe) 6 (2005) Jones Jr vs Tarver II 405k 7 (2013) Bradley vs Marquez 375k 8 (2004) Jones Jr vs Tarver 360k 9 (2014) Alvarez vs Angulo 350k 10 (2000) Lewis vs Grant 340k Now tell me who feels bigger than Floyd, Manny, Oscar, Tyson or Holyfield thats around right now? I don't see that guy yet. I only see 1M+ PPV buy potential in guys like Joshua & Canelo right now. And everyone else is a solid force & enter the non-superstar PPV top ten of all time with 340,001 PPV buys. Roy Jones was the FOTD of the 90s/#1 p4p and he couldn't 1 mill ppv buys

This is about the closest thing I've seen to a right answer among a sea of bad answers in this thread. It has nothing to do with Floyd vs Manny. Floyd is about to be in maybe the biggest boxing PPV in history if this Conor thing happens. So is this Floyd & Manny PPV curse just effecting everyone except him lol? It has nothing to do with streaming. Most people are f#cking stupid with anything technology related. I mean go look at any RBR thread & you'll see a dozen people asking for a stream link a decade(?) or so into streaming online. Shouldn't they know where to find a stream by themselves by now? And most people are dumber about streams then people cruising an online boxing forum about streams I promise you. I think the biggest illusion is that PPV is some huge thing to begin with. There have only been 25 PPV's that have had 1M+ buys in the 26ish years PPV boxing has been a regular thing. You know how many of those 25 PPV's didn't have Floyd, Manny, Oscar, Tyson or Holyfield headlining? Zero of them. You wanna see the top 10 PPV's of all time not involving the magical 5 boxing superstars of Floyd, Manny, Oscar, Tyson or Holyfield? Here's the list (with as consistently accurate numbers as I've found in limited research): 1 (2015) Alvarez vs Cotto 900k 2 (1993) Foreman vs Morrison 600k 3 (2003) Jones Jr vs Ruiz 525k 4 (2012) Martinez vs Chavez Jr 475k 5 (2016) Alvarez vs Khan 450k (or 600k depending on who you believe) 6 (2005) Jones Jr vs Tarver II 405k 7 (2013) Bradley vs Marquez 375k 8 (2004) Jones Jr vs Tarver 360k 9 (2014) Alvarez vs Angulo 350k 10 (2000) Lewis vs Grant 340k Now tell me who feels bigger than Floyd, Manny, Oscar, Tyson or Holyfield thats around right now? I don't see that guy yet. I only see 1M+ PPV buy potential in guys like Joshua & Canelo right now. And everyone else is a solid force & enter the non-superstar PPV top ten of all time with 340,001 PPV buys. Good post. Some people don't realize how hard it is to do 1 mill ppv buys consistently. Even in the UFC, besides rousey and mcgregor how many fighters are doing 1 mill ppv buys.

What a dumbass :rofl:. You can't blame a ****ty fight that should never be on ppv flopping (as they should flop) on Mayweather vs Pacquiao. Good fights involving legit stars produce good numbers. Successful PPV fights use to be a legit star vs legit star or legit star fighting a tough fight... Pacquiao vs Rios and Mayweather vs Berto shouldn't have been on ppv. GGG should never have been on ppv. Ward vs KOvalev shouldn't have been on ppv. Some of these ppv fights were only ppv because of divas demanding more than they should... like Jacobs. You can't blame Mayweather vs Pacquiao for **** fights being put on ppv that belong on normal network tv. GGG is not a ppv star... never will be either so get use to him not drawing for ****. Facts.......

There's fights now that are on premium cable, non-premium cable or "free tv" that could've been profitable on PPV. And hell brother any fight in theory could be profitable on PPV with the right expenses/purses for the drawing ability of the main fight or the overall card. I don't understand the point. I remember buying a $20ish toughman national championship PPV back in the day for sh^ts & giggles, where Butterbean came in 2nd iirc, that probably paid $30k-$50k for purses/expenses so 3,001-5,001 buys woulda gotten them profitable is my assumption. And thats not even counting the event tickets, concessions, shirts & sponsorship money that played into their overall revenue. There is no such thing as a "PPV worthy" PPV. Its simply a business move & anything that can avoid being in the negative when all the money is counted was PPV worthy by virtue of having made a profit. This is why I ****s with you. Agree on all counts.

Its an obvious answer I think. Everything has been down hill ever since the Pac vs Floyd fight. It had a chance to really bring the fans in, but was a complete dud and really turned potential new fans away from the sport. I mean, the fight was watched by soo many people world wide, it was going to play a huge role in the future of the sports audience. I know the Canelo vs Cotto fight did great numbers as well, but that honestly had more to do with Puerto Rico and Mexico always supporting their fighters, and add the casual/ hardcore boxing fans to that already high number. But ever since then, its been weak. Anyone else have a reason? There is no correlation between previous PPV's sold with 2 different boxers and PPV's sold following those. Sometimes the answer is really simple and we miss it because we look to far past it or dig to deep looking for something else. Canelo, GGG, Ward, Kov and every one else are not as good, popular or charismatic as Floyd or Manny.

Marvin Johnson, Prince Naseem, Gatti...PPV worthy, everyone else since then....meh

There isn't reallllly a type of fight that is or isn't PPV worthy despite that being many fight fans spin. The reality is that any fight where the revenue from buys surpasses​ the expenses of the fight is a PPV fight that makes sense to the guy putting it on. Not any except for one costed $100 that I'm aware of, but it is a relevant topic that revenue is the vastly superior figure with ppv sh_t, but it's just so hidden a number for most fights that people tend to stick to buys which are the more openly discussed numbers. There were many, many fights in the 90's that would have been profitable on PPV that were on premium cable instead.

A lot of people are saying it is because the fights arent good enough to warrant ppv, but thats ridiculous because Kovalev vs Ward was supposed to be the next great superfight and it sold only 160k ppvs. This is fan backlash for all the years boxing has robbed them.

Don't let your emotionalism cloud your thinking. The economic climate was different back then at the time of the fights you mentioned. The PPVs also didn't cost $100. I find it interesting that you speak of "emotionalism" (huh?) when your post has nothing to do with what I was referring to and is pretty basic.

May-PAC killed ppv. And good riddance I say.

Did you just start watching boxing? Do you know how many horrible big PPV fights supposedly killed the sport? Tyson-Holyfield 2, De La Hoya-Trinidad, etc. The fights that are on PPV these days involve boxers who don't belong on there or fights that don't belong on there. It's really that simple. Don't let your emotionalism cloud your thinking. The economic climate was different back then at the time of the fights you mentioned. The PPVs also didn't cost $100.