This sums up Andre Ward perfectly, he'll never be respected, EVER

Being exciting matters in the BUSINESS of professional boxing. Who's the clown again? Oh, right. In Pac's comeback fight he fought Jessie Vargas, a second tier fighter. HBO wanted none of it despite Pac being an exciting ATG PPV-level fighter (though less exciting over the last few years). Top Rank did their own PPV instead and picked up its production because HBO told Arum & Team Pacquiao "Not interested. We'll pass." Take the tinfoil hat off, chief. Back in the days of Ali it was Arum pushing minority fighters at the time, like Ali who he promoted, directly into the spotlight. He was signing minority fighters specifically, that's out of his own mouth. Back then the racial tension was much worse than it is now. You're a conspiracy theorist. For starters, Ward signed a contract with HBO to build up a fight with Kovalev. He could no longer make SMW after the layoff so he was forced to move up. Nobody ever forced him to get paid 5 million to fight Kovalev lol. And Crawford, he hasn't even moved up yet and his next fight is still at 140. He's been planning to move up because he's big for the division and come fight night he's heavy. Mikey Garcia is also going to be moving up to a division more natural for him, and that's Junior Welterweight (140). If/when Crawford does move up then he'll have no white fighters to potentially lose to in the Top 10, unless Horn somehow beats Pac and then they fight. Look at every respected Top 10 Welterweight list right now and you won't see a single white fighter at this time on there. You pulled the race card and I pulled out common sense to defeat your bs. Dawg you can't fool me. HBO's rejection of Pac has nothing to do with the topic. Every Tom, Dick, and Harry knows that the real reason Pac was rejected was because of his homophobic and overall anti -liberalist political stance in the months leading up to his fight. Pac came out of the closet as an anti liberalist and HBO rejected him as a result. It has nothing to do with the topic. And please don't lie about Crawford. Crawford has never struggled to make 140, nothing from his or his camp has come out about him struggling to make weight. The moving up to face Spence talk from Kellerman was the most random question ever, or in fact not so random, since it's obviously agenda based. Ward made it clear that he was forced to fight Kovalev. The contract he signed mandated that he move up and fight Kovalev. He was willing to stay at 168 to fight GGG (anyone from 154 to 168) but GGG ducked and Ward ended up signing the HBO (Kovalev) contract. Fact is, no white fighter is being pressured to move up, and every good black fighter is being pressured to move up. That is not an opinion, it's a fact.

Guy cleaned out 168 and then went up in weight to fight an undefeated power puncher at 175. And this was after he begged the 160lb champ who is also a KO artist to come up and fight him. This should all be applauded. He won a close fight vs Kovalev, and he should give him a rematch. It for anyone to say he hasn't been a monster is an idiot. No, he didn't clean out Super Middleweight. He won the Super Six tournament and was the lineal champ, the WBA "Super" & WBC titleholder. He was unified & lineal but he didn't hold the IBF or WBO world titles. If he had "cleaned out" SMW then he would've been undisputed.

Guy cleaned out 168 and then went up in weight to fight an undefeated power puncher at 175. And this was after he begged the 160lb champ who is also a KO artist to come up and fight him. This should all be applauded. He won a close fight vs Kovalev, and he should give him a rematch. It for anyone to say he hasn't been a monster is an idiot.

Wait! So being exciting is just cause for these 'patriotic' americans to turn on their own? Wow, how patriotic is that! Clown! Max Kellerman is sweet science scholar at heart, I know that, that doesn't mean he didn't do the things he did. Fact is, HBO white supremists put pressure on Ward and Crawford to move up, but not on GGG. Fact is, your fake patriots turned on their own and supported Pac because they couldn't stand black man Floyd being as successful as he was. Max Kellerman and others are the face of HBO, and they are pushing those directives, plain and simple. Being exciting matters in the BUSINESS of professional boxing. Who's the clown again? Oh, right. In Pac's comeback fight he fought Jessie Vargas, a second tier fighter. HBO wanted none of it despite Pac being an exciting ATG PPV-level fighter (though less exciting over the last few years). Top Rank did their own PPV instead and picked up its production because HBO told Arum & Team Pacquiao "Not interested. We'll pass." Take the tinfoil hat off, chief. Back in the days of Ali it was Arum pushing minority fighters at the time, like Ali who he promoted, directly into the spotlight. He was signing minority fighters specifically, that's out of his own mouth. Back then the racial tension was much worse than it is now. You're a conspiracy theorist. For starters, Ward signed a contract with HBO to build up a fight with Kovalev. He could no longer make SMW after the layoff so he was forced to move up. Nobody ever forced him to get paid 5 million to fight Kovalev lol. And Crawford, he hasn't even moved up yet and his next fight is still at 140. He's been planning to move up because he's big for the division and come fight night he's heavy. Mikey Garcia is also going to be moving up to a division more natural for him, and that's Junior Welterweight (140). If/when Crawford does move up then he'll have no white fighters to potentially lose to in the Top 10, unless Horn somehow beats Pac and then they fight. Look at every respected Top 10 Welterweight list right now and you won't see a single white fighter at this time on there. You pulled the race card and I pulled out common sense to defeat your bs.

I don't need video evidence to tell you why. It only takes some common sense. Pac is a much more exciting fighter than Floyd, at least when comparing him to "Money May". When Floyd was PBF he was much more exciting because his hands were still good. Kellerman is the exact opposite of a pro-white individual, we'll call it that. Do you even know Kellerman's history? He's been on black D since even before he got his start in journalism and commentary. Back in 1994 he released a rap video with his brother (RIP to him) and rapped about nothing but black and hispanic fighters. You're a fool. Here's a clip of their rap video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW-mK5KQ4Pc SMH. Noobs. Wait! So being exciting is just cause for these 'patriotic' americans to turn on their own? Wow, how patriotic is that! Clown! Max Kellerman is sweet science scholar at heart, I know that, that doesn't mean he didn't do the things he did. Fact is, HBO white supremists put pressure on Ward and Crawford to move up, but not on GGG. Fact is, your fake patriots turned on their own and supported Pac because they couldn't stand black man Floyd being as successful as he was. Max Kellerman and others are the face of HBO, and they are pushing those directives, plain and simple.

If they are so patrioting then why all these American celebrities were all routing for Pacquiao? You want me to give you video evidence of that as well? Why these white tv analysts like Max Kellerman not putting pressure on GGG to move up but that same Max putting pressure on Floyd and Crawford to move up? You want video evidence of that? I don't need video evidence to tell you why. It only takes some common sense. Pac is a much more exciting fighter than Floyd, at least when comparing him to "Money May". When Floyd was PBF he was far more exciting because his hands were still good. Kellerman is the exact opposite of a pro-white individual, we'll call it that. Do you even know Kellerman's history? He's been on black D since even before he got his start in journalism and commentary. Back in 1994 he released a gangster rap video with his brother (RIP to him) and rapped about nothing but black and hispanic fighters. You're a fool. Here's a clip of their music video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW-mK5KQ4Pc Here is the full gangster rap song with album cover art, no video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF0DntqwMKg SMH. Noobs.

Lineal at 168 unified champ at 175 Olympic gold medal winner multi millionaire p4p top 3 fighter I SAY HE HAS HAD A DAMN GOOD JOURNEY

There's a 10 year old on YouTube that runs his own boxing channel named Max (MiniMaxBoxing) and he'd school you without even breaking a sweat when it comes to boxing. Go read the first post I made when I signed up, it's a thread. You'll stop arguing with me once you realize I know 100x more about boxing than you do. Check out the thread. I actually understand how everything works at the highest level. Now, I'm being serious when I say that even the most ardent Ward supporters know and claim that he lost round 10, they just didn't know that if they gave Kovalev round 10 Ward would lose on the official scorecards turned in by the NSAC judges (would be 114-113 Kov). The punch count was 28 to 17 in that round, Kovalev. He was also the ring general and effective aggressor. You know, all of that secondary scoring criteria that only matters if a round is too close to call. About 90% of what judges look for is clean, effective punching. You would need to be a genius to score a boxing match if it wasn't. ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwxLZ3jv0E8 Ward clearly lost round 10. Get some glasses and learn how to score a boxing match round by round. We've found him gents, The Boxing Xpert has returned.

The 90% American boxing media is biased for Kovalev? Think I've seen it all now. I saw a close fight where the knockdown and force of the punches could have swung public perception Kovalev's favor. Not a lot was proven. Rematch necessary. Biased against Ward, and who said ninety percent US ? I heard 75 percent of all media writers had Kovalev all of which neither had the seats nor the qualifications the actual judges in attendance had and have.

Few people are ever going to warm to a paranoid sulk of a man. It is all a self-fulfilling prophecy with him. You know your sense of reality is warped when you think that all of your own nationals are supporting a Russian and that said Russian has somehow had everything easier than you. I mean we're bordering on mental-illness here. looooooooool harsh but kinda true. I was a huge ward fan after the super 6 as well

Few people are every going to warm to a paranoid sulk of a man. It is all a self-fulfilling prophecy with him. You know your sense of reality is warped when you think that all of your own nationals are supporting a Russian and that said Russian has somehow had everything easier than you. I mean we're bordering on mental-illness here. guy moves from russia to a different country where he doesnt even speak the language. fights for 500 dollars a fight with no major promoter...to ward "hes had it so easy!" meanwhile hes being gifted gold medals, has the super six setup in his favor, gets gift decisions etc...I HAD TO WORK FOR WHAT I GOT!

Few people are ever going to warm to a paranoid sulk of a man. It is all a self-fulfilling prophecy with him. You know your sense of reality is warped when you think that all of your own nationals are supporting a Russian and that said Russian has somehow had everything easier than you. I mean we're bordering on mental-illness here.

The majority of Americans are also considered very patriotic. Would you like to see a poll and accompanying study on that too? I'm American btw. Maybe I'll link you to the in-arena footage where they're chanting "SOG!" and think he's landing even when he isn't and cheering it. Americans in Vegas were not rooting for an obscure Russian that speaks broken English and likes to punish his North American opponents. That's a fact. The video footage proves it and common sense does as well. If they are so patrioting then why all these American celebrities were all routing for Pacquiao? You want me to give you video evidence of that as well? Why these white tv analysts like Max Kellerman not putting pressure on GGG to move up but that same Max putting pressure on Floyd and Crawford to move up? You want video evidence of that?

How many fighters do you know that have won a golden medal and held a lineal belt? Ali Joe Frazier George Foreman Sugar Ray Leonard Pernell Whitaker Andre Ward ward was gifted everything. i saw him get beat up in one of his olympic fights but he still won somehow. super six was obviously rigged in his favor as he had every fight in his home country while froch had to fight in 4 dif countries for example without hometown help. the kovalev fight was clearly a robbery. if ward wasnt from the usa and had the same "skills" he would be isaac chilemba.

Much of the boxing public stills hates Floyd far more exponentially than Ward. If Kovalev were to lose shockingly in upcoming fights, it only elevates Ward's game and benefit of the doubt. For Kova, that strategy was as good as it gets. Bhop got dropped, Kova tried. Went 12. How do we compare Ward's performance to Bhop or Chilemba? Day and Night. And lanky krusher had no answers. Red White and Blue. All day all night baby. chilemba def did better. he boxed with kov on even terms from the outside just couldnt hndle the big punches. ward was severely outclassed but landed a couple low blows and body shots so he won lmao. if chilembas name was andre ward he would be champ right now and you would be defending him saying kov had no answers to chilembas jab or something similar

This doesn't prove anything. Majority of Americans are white and then there is also a large hispanic population in America. That is why most of them were rooting for Manny against Floyd and for GGG and Krusher against Ward. That is also why they tried to make as if Floyd, a welterweight, was ducking GGG, a career middleweight. There's nothing new hear, Americans (whites) discrediting and routing against fellow Americans (blacks) has been happening since the beginning of time. Just go into an Anthony Joshua or Wilder thread and see how much unreasonable hate is being spewed and how much salt there is at their success. Look how much salt is being directed at the welterweight and junior middleweight divisions as well. You know why? Coz they dominated by blacks. Bud gets a little less hate than most of em, but I bet if he left HBO and/or Bob Arum and went to PBC you would see a mountain of hate directed at him. The majority of Americans are also considered very patriotic. Would you like to see a poll and accompanying study on that too? I'm American btw. Maybe I'll link you to the in-arena footage where they're chanting "SOG!" and think he's landing even when he isn't and cheering it. Americans in Vegas were not rooting for an obscure Russian that speaks broken English and likes to punish his North American opponents. That's a fact. The video footage proves it and common sense does as well.

Most wanted him to win, hence the reason they were desperate for him too. Nothing more to be seen. I can't tell if they're genuine Kovalev fan boys or Ward haters, one thing I believe is though is that the core of the media and biased HBO commentary team were rooting for Kovalev and didn't like that Ward proved them all wrong. The 90% American boxing media is biased for Kovalev? Think I've seen it all now. I saw a close fight where the knockdown and force of the punches could have swung public perception Kovalev's favor. Not a lot was proven. Rematch necessary.

Wrong again, try watching the round. Kovalev misses with his wildest shot of the night and Ward is countering every opening, Klincher may have outlanded him certainly threw more but the defence and timing of Ward is a level above Kovalev, look for what the judges look for and it's CLEARLY a Ward round, narrow but clear. The judges have the best seats in the house, they're not coerced by HBO commentary like fools with no idea how to score and are certainly above biases, you're tryin to tell me all three judges were bent or that they didnt see that Ward clearly won the round when all three were in agreement ? You're doing some wild reaching here, carry on its amusing. Do you understand or have any perception of scoring criteria ? There's a 10 year old on YouTube that runs his own boxing channel named Max (MiniMaxBoxing) and he'd school you without even breaking a sweat when it comes to boxing. Go read the first post I made when I signed up, it's a thread. You'll stop arguing with me once you realize I know 100x more about boxing than you do. Check out the thread. I actually understand how everything works at the highest level. Now, I'm being serious when I say that even the most ardent Ward supporters know and claim that he lost round 10, they just didn't know that if they gave Kovalev round 10 Ward would lose on the official scorecards turned in by the NSAC judges (would be 114-113 Kov). The punch count was 28 to 17 in that round, Kovalev. He was also the ring general and effective aggressor. You know, all of that secondary scoring criteria that only matters if a round is too close to call. About 90% of what judges look for is clean, effective punching. You would need to be a genius to score a boxing match if it wasn't. ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwxLZ3jv0E8 Ward clearly lost round 10. Get some glasses and learn how to score a boxing match round by round.

I respect Andre Ward! but he has all the power in the world, to make all his haters respect him! all he needs to do is rematch Kovalev and spark him out! its really simple... Floyd Mayweather's case was different! (He could never win, no matter what he did! Floyd Mayweather's hate was a subjective one)...

Americans are **** fans. We have a history of being **** fans as well. The worst thing you can be is black from the south. Johnson-Hated. Ali-Hated. Wilder-Hated. You can make believe your reasons are pure, your analogs from history certainly did, but one easy give away that it's bull**** is how trendy the hate is. When hate becomes the norm, and popular culture is looking to see a man dethroned....how many times has it actually come up and exposed anyone? since 686 BC? How many times has a great one actually fallen? Oh....I see....so in all likeliness guys like Wilder, Ward, and Floyd will be celebrated almost universally in no less than twenty years from their retirement? Might want to reanalyze that position fella. :lol1: In America we'll ***** whine and cry that someone else's fighter got robbed then go praise some complete work like Rousey, or now new spiffy ****stain Mcgregor and somehow feel confident in our ability to spot talent and score fights. summary- if you need told what is proper and you follow trends for your opinions all you're doing is following the long tradition of being a dumb as **** mark. True indeed, good post. The only difference id speak to is with the globalization of the game, now you don't have to fake your hatred there are alternatives. You can applaud your European fighters because they are champs and feel justified, but your deeper sentiment is thinly veiled. It's a filthy mentality that is strengthening by the generation. I hate that other nations get to see our xenophobia so plainly while we don't even acknowledge it