Why does TBRB omit Canelo from their top 10 P4P list

You're right, Canelo definitely has the skills. Trout and Lara are light punching and are still smaller than him. They can't hurt him. Kirkland and Angulo are garbage, not sure why people keep bringing them up. Kirkland was KOd by Ishida who had 50 losses, and Angulo lost to crappy opposition before their fight. When Canelo beats a legitimate fighter his own weight (MW), he's going on my P4P list. how was Trout smaller?

He's not a P4P fighter as he has barely fought anyone his own weight. He's a MW who's amazing at shedding weight. He didn't get much respect for beating smaller Khan, Golovkin didn't get much respect for beating smaller Brook. There's no reason why Canelo should get respect for beating the guys who can't hurt him such as Cotto. This, this and this. Plus, some of his wins against guys his own size are extremely unimpressive, unconvincing. Good fighter. Hard to make an argument for top 10 p4p just yet.

Ahead of golovkin knocking Garcia off the list..

It's funny when discussing Resumes the Cotto win is downplayed implying he was too old. Yet Kovalev's best win, was against a 50 year old senior citizen. Hell even if you throw out resumes Canelo is easily a top 10 fighter in terms of skills and overall offensive arsenal.

I don't have much of a problem w/ any publication or fan omitting Canelo from their lists. He decides upon a weight he makes and either has people move up for a disadvantage or attempt to move down to it for one. He could have worked something out with JR. and instead Diva'd up and brought in that half pound. What he's doing to the sport isn't p4p top 10 material. I know every fighter is picky at the negotiating table, but this is on some other level shit. His resume isn't even bad at all, but damn... 155? 164.5?? For Khan, Lara, Angulo, Chavez Jr and I'm sure I'm missing a couple more names.

I stopped reading at "Austin Trout, 154 boogieman" :lol1:

When you pretty much make up your own weight division to give yourself an advantage, don't expect everyone to heap praises on you.

GGG is the only wbc/wba/ibf champion in the sport. he's dominating his division more than any other fighter in boxing. he's undefeated. he's winning every fight by knockout. he's the text book definition of the best pound for pound fighter in the world. Well if Mikey stays at 135 he will do the same as GGG because that's a weak division. He has Easter there as a real challenge and that's it. If Mikey wants to the GGG route, he can collect all the titles from those weaklings Linares and Flanagan, call up Lomachenko and Davis from 130, wait for LSC to move up from 126 and basically make a career out of the weak 135 and the strong guys at 126-130. Exactly what GGG is doing. I wish Mikey moves up to challenge himself at 140, i'm a Mikey supporter but I don't wanna see him pull what GGG is doing. Both Crawford and Postol have more danger and skill in one pinky than the whole 135 division.

GGG is the only wbc/wba/ibf champion in the sport. he's dominating his division more than any other fighter in boxing. he's undefeated. he's winning every fight by knockout. he's the text book definition of the best pound for pound fighter in the world. I get the that you are a fan, but GGG got WBA/WBC outside the ring and the IBF was won against Lemieux that was rank 7 or 8, when he fought for the title. That makes him the weakest unified champion ever, IMO. I won't denied that GGG is good, but cant tell me that he deserves a top 10 spot and Canelo don't.

Seems odd to me that he's the champ when he's left the division. but hey ho. You're supposed to either announce it or retire, or I imagine have more than one fight away from the division. For example, Brook fought 2 weight classes above 147 and lost, but still kept his #1 spot at WW. Canelo has had one fight away from MW (Khan was at 155lbs - MW), so was Cotto and Kirkland. What's weirder to me is how he stayed ranked at 154 even though he wasn't fighting there for a couple of years. He now comes back to get a title at 154, and his next fight is at super middleweight, that will make 2 fights in a row away from MW. But because of his name and relationship with WBC, it's very possible that all Oscar has to do to keep Canelo's Ring ranking at 160 is announce they will fight GGG in September, which I think WBC already acknowledged DLH saying that. In short there's some bending of the rules and favoritism going on because of the money Canelo brings. But these rules are always bended for top money makers, Canelo is not the first.

what's the logic of having GGG number 6 without fighting any top level competition and leaving Canelo out? I don't get it.

You know what i've noticed though, lately P4P seems to be reserved for unproven fighters, or fighters with limited resumes. When it comes to P4P lists, fighters who fight the best seem to get punished and dropped for looking "average" - against other very good fighters. But fighters who fight constant gimme fights and TKO them seem to get rewarded. There are maybe 3 fighters there who actually fought top notch competition. But the rest of the 7 seem to be comprised by the dreaded "eye test" criteria. It's going to be amusing to see these same fighters being rewarded when they get dropped after fighting actual, undeniably good competition and look average and then time to make room for Julio Martinez of Strawweight, 23(23)-0, Takashi Makahashi of Bantamweight 4(4)-0, and lastly the Russian Beast - Artur Egorov 12(6)-0. That's right, I know these outstanding fighters and you don't, they're top 10 P4P, I also know the names of the great fighters they have beaten. I'm a much better boxing fan than you, with your little mainstream fighters like Canelo. YDKSAB. (All 3 names were made up) Cyber Boxing still has him as Lineal. He's still in the division according to TBRB and Ring. In both TBRB and Ring he's the champion of the division. Seems odd to me that he's the champ when he's left the division. but hey ho.

You know what i've noticed though, lately P4P seems to be reserved for unproven fighters, or fighters with limited resumes. When it comes to P4P lists, fighters who fight the best seem to get punished and dropped for looking "average" - against other very good fighters. But fighters who fight constant gimme fights and TKO them seem to get rewarded. There are maybe 3 fighters there who actually fought top notch competition. But the rest of the 7 seem to be comprised by the dreaded "eye test" criteria. It's going to be amusing to see these same fighters being rewarded when they get dropped after fighting actual, undeniably good competition and look average and then time to make room for Julio Martinez of Strawweight, 23(23)-0, Takashi Makahashi of Bantamweight 4(4)-0, and lastly the Russian Beast - Artur Egorov 12(6)-0. That's right, I know these outstanding fighters and you don't, they're top 10 P4P, I also know the names of the great fighters they have beaten. I'm a much better boxing fan than you, with your little mainstream fighters like Canelo. YDKSAB. (All 3 names were made up) How can he be current lineal champ when he left the division? Cyber Boxing still has him as Lineal. He's still in the division according to TBRB and Ring. In both TBRB and Ring he's the champion of the division.

And he is lineal/Ring champ at 160, Ring champ at 154. Hopkins became lineal in 2001 Taylor beat him 2005, became lineal Pavlik beat Taylor 2007, became new lineal champ Martinez beat Pavlik 2010, new lineal champ Cotto beat Martinez 2014, new lineal champ Canelo beat Cotto 2015, current lineal champ Although, many, including me, felt Murray beat Martinez and was the actual lineal champ (or shoud've been), he was then beaten by GGG, making GGG the unofficial lineal 160 champ if you only follow your scorecards and not the official scorecards. That is of course if boxing had fair judging, GGG would be the rightful Ring/Lineal champ, not Cotto or Canelo. How can he be current lineal champ when he left the division?

I would put him somewhere around #8-10. Too few top fights and the fights he has been in i.e. Mayweather and Lara, a lot was left to be desired.

You're right, Canelo definitely has the skills. Trout and Lara are light punching and are still smaller than him. They can't hurt him. Kirkland and Angulo are garbage, not sure why people keep bringing them up. Kirkland was KOd by Ishida who had 50 losses, and Angulo lost to crappy opposition before their fight. When Canelo beats a legitimate fighter his own weight (MW), he's going on my P4P list. Canelo vs Trout were 171lbs vs 172lbs on fight night. Hardly smaller.

Boxing is about skills man,and Canelo has shown he has skills..Lara and Trout are his own weight as were Kirkland and AnguloYou're right, Canelo definitely has the skills. Trout and Lara are light punching and are still smaller than him. They can't hurt him. Kirkland and Angulo are garbage, not sure why people keep bringing them up. Kirkland was KOd by Ishida who had 50 losses, and Angulo lost to crappy opposition before their fight. When Canelo beats a legitimate fighter his own weight (MW), he's going on my P4P list.

oh okay my bad, so he's two weight division ring champion And he is lineal/Ring champ at 160, Ring champ at 154. Hopkins became lineal in 2001 Taylor beat him 2005, became lineal Pavlik beat Taylor 2007, became new lineal champ Martinez beat Pavlik 2010, new lineal champ Cotto beat Martinez 2014, new lineal champ Canelo beat Cotto 2015, current lineal champ Although, many, including me, felt Murray beat Martinez and was the actual lineal champ (or shoud've been), he was then beaten by GGG, making GGG the unofficial lineal 160 champ if you only follow your scorecards and not the official scorecards. That is of course if boxing had fair judging, GGG would be the rightful Ring/Lineal champ, not Cotto or Canelo.

People saying it's not resume, it's how dominant you are against the bums you fight. Okay then, what about Kirkland, Angulo, Smith, Khan? All TKO stoppages where Canelo destroyed his opposition. These guys are all considered lesser opponents like the guys that the top 10 P4P fight and KO. So now what? There's always something. He has a good resume. Canelo detractor's Answer: Oh but he struggled against the future HOF'ers he fought, Lara, and Trout, to be P4P you have to destroy all competition. Good fighters struggle against eachother - Kovalev-Ward, Kovalev-Chilemba, Gonzalez-Cuadras, should we remove those 3 from the P4P list? Mikey was knocked down against the very average Roman Martinez, when was the last time Canelo got knocked down by anyone period? Answer: They beat their lesser opponents with ease though. Canelo destroys his lesser opponent with ease too - Khan, Angulo, Smith, Kirkland, all stopped. Answer: Canelo picks on smaller fighters, we don't tolerate that. Golovkin picked on Brook too, a WW, should he be removed from the P4P list? Answer: He desroyed his lesser opponents with ease. So did Canelo. Detractors Answer: P4P, eye test, 1 on 1, same size, resumes don't count....fu*k it we just don't like Mexican gingers.

No, he didn't. The lineal title established when Mayweather (#1) beat Canelo (#2), at junior middleweight. He became RING champ when beating Trout, but its not the same thing oh okay my bad, so he's two weight division ring champion