I haven't posted in a while and I see the morons and race baiters are still at it (lets give them a standing ovation for their commitment).
Anyways I wanted to know the (best) way a boxer can become popular. Examples of what exactly I'm referring to are Ali, Tyson, Mayweather, Pacquiao. Essentially names that you can ask anyone and they will know who is it is.
So on that note, what would you say gets a boxer to that level. Would they need to KO a ton of guys? I don't think so because GGG and many others are basically KO artists and still are virtually unknown to the average person hence their inability to get high PPV numbers.
Maybe it has to do with marketing a fighter. They have to pique someone's interest. If this is the case then a lot of these boxers have terrible PR teams.
Anyone want to share their thoughts on this?
Maybe this is more complicated then I think or maybe not.
Manny has no personality tho.
Manny had a NATION behind him, Filipinos loved and supported Manny Pacquiao to the fullest. Also his promoter Bob Arum has Personality to sell the fights FOR Manny Pacquiao
There are some requierements you need to fulfill to be a crossover star. Let's take Golovkin as an example.
His fighting style is action-oriented, when he lands flush you can see the damage and he is a knockout artist. These are some important ingredients to become popular.
But while he is popular and his ratings are above average on HBO, he still isnt close to the level of guys like pacquiao or cotto.
One of the reasons is probably that he doesnt have a build-in big kazachstan fanbase in the USA. If you are mexican you get the mexican demographic, if you are irish, you get the irish demography. This is why they try to market him as a mexican warrior, in hope that mexicans will relate to him for his aggressive fighting style.
The second reason is, that he doesnt have a popular opponent who can pass him the torch. Mayweather and Pacquiaos career really kicked off when they beat Oscar de la hoya, the #1 PPV guy at the time.
I can assure you that the first guy who would have beaten Mayweather convincingly would instantly skyrock in popularity.
Third reason is the language barrier, which curtails his potential to cross over. People are just too lazy to read subtitles.
Personality is another big factor, while I think the bad guy personality helps you tremendous to gain more publicity, it's not necessary if you as the good guy (pacquiao) are linked to a bad guy (pacquiao.
Manny has no personality tho.
He has a story though and his name was linked to the biggest name in boxing for like 7 years and still is to this day, Him and Floyd Mayweather trying to outdo each others performances against common opponents + the anticipation of fans wanting to see how they look and draw conclusions on how a fight between the 2 would look like helped each of them sell 1+ Million PPV once or even twice a year every year from 2009 till 2015, almost every fight they fought sold more than 1 Million PPV, something that never happened in the sport ever before.
Before Pacquiao's name was linked to Mayweather he was selling around 300-400k PPVs fighting Mexican legends that had big fanbases like Morales, Barrera and Marquez, only when the talks of him fighting Floyd Mayweather started and Floyd teasing the fans by fighting Marquez (the guy with the big fanbase who arguably beat Pacquiao), people really started paying attention to that rivalry and Pacquiao's PPV numbers skyrocketed.
Here's a good article on how Ali was influenced by a wrestler called Gorgeous George :
" from seeing Gorgeous George wrestle in Las Vegas," Ali told the Associated Press' Hubert Mizel in a 1969 interview. "I saw his aides spraying deodorant in the opponents' corner to contain the smell. I also saw 13,000 full seats. I talked with Gorgeous for five minutes after the match and started being a big-mouth and a bragger.
"He told me people would come to see me get beat. Others would come to see me win. I'd get 'em coming and going."
Full article: http://www.cbssports.com/general/news/how-muhammad-alis-fascination-with-pro-wrestling-fueled-his-career-inspired-mma/
In the States you gotta have some ****ing PERSONALITY that is the ONLY reason why McGregor is so popular. He is not the best fighter in the UFC in the Octagon but he is Good! But what separates him from the rest in the UFC is that big PERSONALITY!
If you're not Interesting Outside of the ring people lose interest REAL QUICK! Sure OK you can knock some people out but WHAT ELSE? You could get away with not having Personality or not being able to speak English like Trinidad and Chavez IF you have a Charismatic Promoter like Don King Promoting you. Like Anthony Joshua really don't have much of a Personality but his Promoter Eddie Hearn is a big personality that fight fans and boxing media want to hear from so it works for them
Manny has no personality tho.
I'm tired of people bringing up the name. Kid Blackie is the nickname of Jack Dempsey. He had jet black hair hence his nickname was such. There's Kid Chocolate (Eligio Montalvo) and Kid Dynamite (Mike Tyson).
You guys need to learn some boxing history smh this is pathetic. I'm tired of educating fools. I'm not a professor.
Have hope. I knew Dempsey used to call himself that BEFORE you had to explain it in the PREVIOUS thread you did haha. Looks like this is going to be a common occurance.
I only know because Jack Dempsey is one fighter that as a boxing fan, you look into, rather than just knowing he is a past hw champ (have a couple of his books also).
He bought in the first million-dollar gate in boxing, first 2 million dollar gate (vs Tunny 2) and i think first million dollar gate in a non title fight (vs sharkey?).
Oh and forget about the records, what about the willard fight!!
6'1", 190 pound Dempsey knocked the 6'6½", 245 pound Willard down seven times in the 1st round, in one of the most brutal fights I've seen.
About your original thread... dunno.
In the States you gotta have some ****ing PERSONALITY that is the ONLY reason why McGregor is so popular. He is not the best fighter in the UFC in the Octagon but he is Good! But what separates him from the rest in the UFC is that big PERSONALITY!
If you're not Interesting Outside of the ring people lose interest REAL QUICK! Sure OK you can knock some people out but WHAT ELSE? You could get away with not having Personality or not being able to speak English like Trinidad and Chavez IF you have a Charismatic Promoter like Don King Promoting you. Like Anthony Joshua really don't have much of a Personality but his Promoter Eddie Hearn is a big personality that fight fans and boxing media want to hear from so it works for them
I agree with everything you said. It makes a lot of sense. Especially if you take into account how much people watch Mayweather fight and this is no insult but we all know he isn't the most exciting fighter.
You have to use an charismatic personality to draw people to the fight. If you're GGG and just fight but then go into hiding you can say, instead of establishing an legitimate and stable fanbase then it's going to show when the PPV numbers come in.
In the States you gotta have some ****ing PERSONALITY that is the ONLY reason why McGregor is so popular. He is not the best fighter in the UFC in the Octagon but he is Good! But what separates him from the rest in the UFC is that big PERSONALITY!
If you're not Interesting Outside of the ring people lose interest REAL QUICK! Sure OK you can knock some people out but WHAT ELSE? You could get away with not having Personality or not being able to speak English like Trinidad and Chavez IF you have a Charismatic Promoter like Don King Promoting you. Like Anthony Joshua really don't have much of a Personality but his Promoter Eddie Hearn is a big personality that fight fans and boxing media want to hear from so it works for them
I'm tired of people bringing up the name. Kid Blackie is the nickname of Jack Dempsey. He had jet black hair hence his nickname was such. There's Kid Chocolate (Eligio Montalvo) and Kid Dynamite (Mike Tyson).
You guys need to learn some boxing history smh this is pathetic. I'm tired of educating fools. I'm not a professor.
Kid blackie is as cholo as it gets but ok..
Ppv stars are born from winning and character. You have both on lock you will be a ppv star.
and your name is kid BLACKIE lmfao.
I'm tired of people bringing up the name. Kid Blackie is the nickname of Jack Dempsey. He had jet black hair hence his nickname was such. There's Kid Chocolate (Eligio Montalvo) and Kid Dynamite (Mike Tyson).
You guys need to learn some boxing history smh this is pathetic. I'm tired of educating fools. I'm not a professor.