Why are Spence and Wilder being attacked on here?

I wasn't aware Spence got much hate to be honest. Wilder, well i can kind of see why people would be critical of him.

i don't see people say much negative about spence (or much of anything about spence).. that might be your imagination wilder is facing ggg-style criticism for lack of a high profile win -- except ggg seems to be trying his best to make it happen with canelo etc and is fighting jacobs while wilder has been very picky.

I have Spence on my pound for pound list. The way I understand PFP it's not resume it's how good you THINK a particular boxer is. He doesn't have to have already beaten all these good fighters. That's resume. If you honestly think he is good enough you can but him on your list. I honestly think Spence can beat any welterweight. Wilder is a world champion and he should be defending his title against top contenders. He has fought unranked guys most of us never heard of time and time again. Fighting for a vacant title does mean something if the guys fighting for are among the best fighters in that weight class. That's pretty much how I think of P4P - more of an eye test thing than anything else (while still maintaining the whole concept of P4P is a pair of rotten turtle balls) - so Spence is a legitimate pick in some ways, though for me he's not quite there yet. That defence has looked pretty flawed at times and whether he's chosen to neglect it against light hitters like Bundu and Spence or whether he can tighten up (or simply outgun) someone with a little more pop is still a question that needs to be answered in my book. Really do want to see Brook vs Spence though - that should really answer some questions.

I'm American so OF COURSE I want to see Wilder do well but after Michael Grant and a few other American Heavyweight Prospects who did not work out, I'm A LOT harder on American Heavyweights and very reluctant to believe in any of them until prove other wise so again nothing personal toward Wilder for me. I don't hate him for reasons that has nothing to do with boxing like other dumb fuks on this forum who hate anything with a "HUE" to him and does come from the Eastern Europe Region of the world :lol1: I have just enjoyed Wilder and it has been a fun ride one that will likely come to an end sooner rather than later. Wilder and why I always liked him is he doesn't try to be something he isn't and is actually a excellent athlete. That right there makes him something different than like every American heavy of the last 2 decades. Wilder was never going to be a textbook fighter and while he has skills they were always going to look awkward and funky. Eventually he will lose likely by knockout because that is how it goes and he was never going to be this flawless fighter, generally speaking though a guy does not need to be flawless to be highly successful just have the right attributes that cover their flaws. So to me with Wilder people have always been hung up on why he should fail, and didn't look at things that actually make him a difficult guy to deal with.

The Povetkin situation ate up a lot of time because they both messed around before getting to each other and since that was a big money fight only limited risks were going to be taken. Then Povetkin gets popped so Wilder rightly wanted a bout ASAP which was easiest to do in house but he got injured in that fight. That is a lot of time that went out the window because of that situation. Now Wilder has to step it up really Stiverne and Ortiz are going to fight for mandatory status. If Wilder wants to get paid before that he will have to fight someone Parker-Fury winner, the real Fury, or perhaps Haye the latter two being better options because he can further push off the mandatory with unification fights (and the big prize the winner of Joshua-Wlad) or just fight the winner of that Stiverne-Ortiz fight. There is really no other way it is going unless he gets hurt again. I'm American so OF COURSE I want to see Wilder do well but after Michael Grant and a few other American Heavyweight Prospects who did not work out, I'm A LOT harder on American Heavyweights and very reluctant to believe in any of them until prove other wise so again nothing personal toward Wilder for me. I don't hate him for reasons that has nothing to do with boxing like other dumb fuks on this forum who hate any fighter with a "HUE" to him and doesn't come from the Eastern Europe Region of the world :lol1:

I have nothing against Wilder, just time to Step Up again! Yes again Povetikin is a cheating piece of sh1t and he ruined their fight but how long will people continue to use that. Hopefully after this fight he fights Luis Ortiz or somebody like that and not Stiverne again The Povetkin situation ate up a lot of time because they both messed around before getting to each other and since that was a big money fight only limited risks were going to be taken. Then Povetkin gets popped so Wilder rightly wanted a bout ASAP which was easiest to do in house but he got injured in that fight. That is a lot of time that went out the window because of that situation. Now Wilder has to step it up really Stiverne and Ortiz are going to fight for mandatory status. If Wilder wants to get paid before that he will have to fight someone Parker-Fury winner, the real Fury, or perhaps Haye the latter two being better options because he can further push off the mandatory with unification fights (and the big prize the winner of Joshua-Wlad) or just fight the winner of that Stiverne-Ortiz fight. There is really no other way it is going unless he gets hurt again.

I would say he is the same level pretty much he would lose to some especially the better ones and he would likely beat some. Like Whyte and Molina would be a good fight, or Whyte versus Washington. I certainly don't think Whyte beats them all though. I don't see too many excited about Washington most I see is people find it acceptable given circumstances and it might be a shade better than the Polish fellow. If Wilder was fighting Whyte here instead of Washington it would be the exact same deal really, same level. I have nothing against Wilder, just time to Step Up again! Yes again Povetikin is a cheating piece of sh1t and he ruined their fight but how long will people continue to use that. Hopefully after this fight he fights Luis Ortiz or somebody like that and not Stiverne again

If he did then my bad. I'm actually looking forward to this fight, not saying we'll get an upset, but like you said, he might struggle, once again. :lol1: If Washington has a half decent chin then oh yeah Wilder will be looking silly for at least a few rounds. He boxes better than Wilder (which isn't saying much) and isn't at a height or reach disadvantage.

I'm gonna give PBP the benefit of the doubt that he was talking about Spence not Wilder. I agree with you on Wilder, you look at the way he performs and it's unsurprising that he's not stepped up his competition. It would not surprise me to see him go life and death with Washington. If he did then my bad. I'm actually looking forward to this fight, not saying we'll get an upset, but like you said, he might struggle, once again. :lol1:

Lol what an absolute BS. :lol1: We don't rate Wilder because there is nothing to rate, his technique is ****, so is his resume. He struggles with opponents he should be disposing within a few rounds. I can guarantee you that the thought of Wilder being the best HW has never crossed my mind. :lol1: Nobody is intimated by him. I'm gonna give PBP the benefit of the doubt that he was talking about Spence not Wilder. I agree with you on Wilder, you look at the way he performs and it's unsurprising that he's not stepped up his competition. It would not surprise me to see him go life and death with Washington.

Exactly. What happened was when Floyd retired they saw hope. So every time an American fighter begins to generate buzz they want to shoot him down as quickly as possible because of the nightmares Floyd's dominance gave them over the past 15 years. A certain group of fans are just insecure. You can't let them dictate how you watch the sport though. I enjoy great boxers from all over the world: Lomachenko, Rigondeaux, Chocolatito, Crawford, Ward, Kovalev, etc. Too many great boxers out there to get caught up in race and nationality. Lol what an absolute BS. :lol1: We don't rate Wilder because there is nothing to rate, his technique is ****, so is his resume. He struggles with opponents he should be disposing within a few rounds. I can guarantee you that the thought of Wilder being the best HW has never crossed my mind. :lol1: Nobody is intimated by him.

This is why people put you right alongside the rest of the race based posters. You already know the answer to the thread title but you just want to hear it from others for reassurance.

I disagree! While Whyte is not great and nobody saying his is, I'm simply saying he stacks up with ANYBODY Wilder has beat and he might actually be better than most of them which yeah it is not saying much. Who sh1t has Wilder Competition been? Well people are excited about him fighting Gerald Washington :lol1: that tells you how sh1t his resume is! I would say he is the same level pretty much he would lose to some especially the better ones and he would likely beat some. Like Whyte and Molina would be a good fight, or Whyte versus Washington. I certainly don't think Whyte beats them all though. I don't see too many excited about Washington most I see is people find it acceptable given circumstances and it might be a shade better than the Polish fellow. If Wilder was fighting Whyte here instead of Washington it would be the exact same deal really, same level.

The ostarine case was real. No excuses there, he cheated. But it was more like 8 months after that, not the next month. Now... Wlad and AJ are clean right?............ hope so should be a good fight

You're on the troll stroll...keep it up...it fits you to a Tee. No you call it trolling to dismiss it because it is something you don't want to hear! Trolling would be me starting threads like "WILDER SUCKS!" I don't even start threads on this forum

month later then was going to fight and failed another test The ostarine case was real. No excuses there, he cheated. But it was more like 8 months after that, not the next month. Now... Wlad and AJ are clean right?............

We need to remember that Pedvetkin was subsequently found to be taking Ostarine, more or less an anobolic steroid. Pedvetkin has been juiced to the gills since Wlad and Wilder never should have fought him.. I agree that he took ostarine... would you agree to Wilder to fight Joshua or Wlad? I guess yes... but do you think they are clean?...

Come on a little meldonium does nothing and he was even cleared. month later then was going to fight and failed another test

So what if Spence is Brook's mando. Alphabet titles don't mean ****. Brook paid his dues by beating Porter and moving up 2 divisions for GGG. Who's li'l suspender belt ever beat? Chris Algeiri and 50 yo Bundu, but ya'll talking about him like he's the new SRL! l'il suspenders is pushing 30 with the resume of a 26 yo prospect, but he turned down Brook's offer and forced a purse bid. SMH. What has Spence ever done to deserve 25% from Brook? Brook earned $5million and sold 640k in his last fight. What's Spence's highest purse? How many PPVs has this l'il ***** ever sold? That answer your question? wait you joking right

I think Duhaupus would give him a real stiff challenge, an in shape prepared version not the guy who was fighting in running shoes on a days notice. I think Stiverne would have his ways also a much better boxer. Whyte is not good at all. I disagree! While Whyte is not great and nobody saying his is, I'm simply saying he stacks up with ANYBODY Wilder has beat and he might actually be better than most of them which yeah it is not saying much. How sh1t has Wilder Competition been? Well people are excited about him fighting Gerald Washington :lol1: that tells you how sh1t his resume is!