PBC fights are always better then they seem on paper

Always? PBC bashing from most (not saying all) fans is/was due to Haymon having this massive stable and yet producing crappy match-ups. The last 3 years were miserable no matter what way you cut it. This year has been much better and the criticism has dropped off a lot. The FS1 cards have been producing consistently competitive fights for basically the entire PBC run, if we're honest about it. They were obvious showcase fights along the way, but even a good majority of the PBC fights on the other broadcasts were fairly matched and compelling fights, yet still got trashed on.

Yeah people are certainly missing out on the FS1 Cards, those are always good fights. Last Night Card was good from start to finish! Hungry fighters trying to get to that next level and in Collazo case trying to get another shot at a big name before his career is over with. I support boxing, I even stomach through the Low Budget stuff on Ring where the look like they're fighting in Oscar De La Hoya Garage or something lol

Everybody crapped all over Matthysse vs Molina until Matthysse was put on his ass twice. Maybe people don't know as much about boxing as they think they do. THIS. Theatre of the Unexpected

I was just thinking watching the fights last night that pbc cards are almost always bashed, granted it is an atmosphere created by boxing writers as a smear campaign sometimes even on gbp payroll directly or indirectly as we knew and are being confirmed by the gbp pbc case. But the point is that pbc cards seem to always deliver in the ring for the most part. Yes you have your prospects in overmatched fights thats a given but overall pbc cards are almost always entertaining and more competitive then they seem before hand. I was also thinking that we know of so many more boxers that we wouldnt even know if it wasnt for pbc. so people *****ing about robert easterwouldnt even know who he was if it wasnt for pbc. Same goes with the prospects early in weekday cards we are getting to know fighters we wouldnt even know of otherwise for the most part. what do you guys think though do you think the constant bashing of pbc cards is getting old when more times then not it turns out to be way more competitive or the underdog even wins? I just feel we have created an atmosphere where its so hard for pbc to get a fair shake in every scenario not to mention were being cheated by boxing writers when it comes to pbc. whether or not you like pbc you should want the honest truth from boxing writers not a smear campaign. Agreed. Some of their cards on Bounce were amazing shows, particularly the raushee warren vs payano 2 card

There's been some good. There's been some bad. Like boxing has been for the past hundred or so years. Much more good than bad. Nobody matches their prospects tougher than PBC. People like to ignore that and focus on the Lara-Foreman type cards. Funny how the Arum's and De La Hoya's of the world can marinate fights and build fights up but Haymon must put on tough fights every fight. Boxing has never been that way, ever! Just stop it for 500m there should've been a whole lotta great some good and a little bad. Pbc is an absolute failure which is why they're going back to the old set up. Edit: let me just add I think Schafer is a untrustworthy pos, but haymon shouldn't of started this without him. Pos or not Schafer really knows how to make good shows. Dude is legit.

To me, PBC is filling the void left by ESPN removing Friday Night Fights, and HBO severly reducing the number of Boxing After Dark programs. They are filled with more or less the same quality fights and fighters. I don't mind, nor do I think they are doing a revolutionary thing. If anything I think more people tune into PBC events than either of the aforementioned programs, so I guess a couple more eyes to the product benefits everyone, never the less, they are what they are, and I appreciate that at that level, knowing exactly how a fight will turn out is less likely - and sometimes (hopefully regularly) you get a barn burner that excites the fans.

Is it really necessary to dig out all the old threads where Top Rank and Arum were being slated? Most of you have been here too long for that to be necessary. If you think the Haymon/PBC criticism is somehow unprecedented it's because you have become a fan of a company. 2014 was probably the worst year I can remember as a boxing fan. 2015 & 2016 weren't much better. This despite a huge number of fighters being united under the one umbrella, with no obstacles to matching them. If you think this doesn't merit criticism you've become a cheerleader.

I don't think others get crap on as much as PBC in the media, obviously people like GBP, Don King, Top rank etc work with the boxing media and give them privileges, which means less criticism when face with facts. PBC on the other hand are just putting out shows and letting the work speak for itself, they are NOT really ready to sweeting a fat dan or steve kim pockets for example, which means they get criticise more. You cannot deny the fact that PBC in the small time they have been around gets more heat from the boxing media, you only have to look around here with some posters to see how they think mentally. Since PBC have been around my Boxnation channel has been filled with MORE boxing over here in the UK, I say more power to them, I don't care who invest in them and i don't care who manages or promote them, if they putting fights on my TV (Good fights) then am all for it......Phuck the politics.

I think it goes a little deeper than that. Boxing fans only think highly of 2-3 fighters per division so if those 2-3 fighters don't fight, everything else is a crap fight. So these contenders who don't get the same exposure and opportunities fly under the radar.

This has always been my question. If not for PBC where would these fighters be fighting? HBO cut their budget and as we see with the fighters they choose to showcase they're going for a different demographic. Fights like Collazo v. Vasquez aren't worth of Shobox. So where would these fighters be fighting? And why are journalist against more work? They're covering boxing more now than ever before. Maybe they're lazy and don't want to work. There's been some good. There's been some bad. Like boxing has been for the past hundred or so years. Much more good than bad. Nobody matches their prospects tougher than PBC. People like to ignore that and focus on the Lara-Foreman type cards. Funny how the Arum's and De La Hoya's of the world can marinate fights and build fights up but Haymon must put on tough fights every fight. Boxing has never been that way, ever! PBC is the best outfit in boxing by a mile. They have by far the most FOTY candidates and some of them are between guys we never would have heard of. Where else can Cruiserweights and featherweights get this type of exposure??

I think the smaller pbc cards like this have been better than their main Saturday night cards which are higher profile and seen by more people. We all crap on cards a little too early. Perhaps we all need to just chill and just watch and try to enjoy it.

Everybody crapped all over Matthysse vs Molina until Matthysse was put on his ass twice. Maybe people don't know as much about boxing as they think they do. And people crapped on Bradley-Provodnikov and that was a fight of the year. There are surprises but in general a bullsh*t fight is a bullsh*t fight.

There's been some good. There's been some bad. Like boxing has been for the past hundred or so years. Much more good than bad. Nobody matches their prospects tougher than PBC. People like to ignore that and focus on the Lara-Foreman type cards. Funny how the Arum's and De La Hoya's of the world can marinate fights and build fights up but Haymon must put on tough fights every fight. Boxing has never been that way, ever! Arum got tons of sh*t when he was on top. The Pacquiao-Floyd thing meant people defended him in certain circumstances, and obviously there were shills too, but nobody was getting more abuse than him back when Top Rank's stable was as strong as anyone's. Now Haymon is the top guy and he gets held to the same standards. You can't expect Top Rank and GBP to compete with Haymon for match-ups now. They don't have the fighters.

Always? PBC bashing from most (not saying all) fans is/was due to Haymon having this massive stable and yet producing crappy match-ups. The last 3 years were miserable no matter what way you cut it. This year has been much better and the criticism has dropped off a lot. Everybody crapped all over Matthysse vs Molina until Matthysse was put on his ass twice. Maybe people don't know as much about boxing as they think they do.

Always? PBC bashing from most (not saying all) fans is/was due to Haymon having this massive stable and yet producing crappy match-ups. The last 3 years were miserable no matter what way you cut it. This year has been much better and the criticism has dropped off a lot.