HBO losing subscribers... Boxing getting cut?

one way they waste money is to have 3 overpaid guys as commentators. I can imagine how much more money they waste

Still don't know why Netflix, or other similar service providers, is still not offering live boxing events. I've seen Youtube live events for free with perfect uninterrupted stream, and it stands to reason they can offer PPVs at a much lower cost than on cable. Or I may be missing something I don't have a clue in.

Man, I really have no clue what IPTV is nor do I what you're talking about so I'm gonna have to give this stuff a read. :lol1: All it is, Internet based TV, you need some sort of Internet connection to watch, whether its on your phone or your house, once you have Internet, then you can browse thru your channels as if you had a cable. They usually have way more affordable packages for cord cutters, I tried Direct TV NOW and Sling TV, both are good, but I found myself not watching enough TV most of the time, so I just bought a HD antenna, that way I can still get some channels.

Boxing is such a tiny portion of a long list of programs that HBO dont give a fuk.. it is ridiculous to think that HbO is losing subscribers due to boxing lol..

Which ever promoter offers the best fights get the HBO Dates and not being stuck show a guy you have a contract with fight a WEAK OPPONENT just because you have that guy under contract That's the way I think they should do business. But they are greedy for that PPV money so they try to lock up the few existing pay per view stars with contracts. Even if it means they have to feature them against weak opponents in showcase fights. It's kind of like the old pro wrestling model. You got the stars against the jobbers on regular tv...but to see star vs star you had to buy PPV.

I think HBO has shown us what will happen with many networks. They'll make a live streaming app like HBO has. The bigger ones will be able to do on their own. Most will probably team up with other networks. I do think cable TV is still gonna be around for awhile doe. I mean TV killed the radio more or less, but radios aren't obsolete. And I'd even argue that radio market just pivoted a lil bit too with internet radio & "the new radio" podcasts. So idk that cable is going anywhere, but for sure streaming via internet devices (phones, computers, pads) will become the new main entertainment source for people who formerly lived & died with cable. Thats my theory anyways, we will obviously see. Maybe obsolete was an exaggeration but I think the only reason why radio exists still is because people listen to it in cars. Who at home really listens to radio except old school sports heads? Radio stations are also coming out with apps so how much longer will radio exist? They're just gonna sell people on IPTV, Direct TV just started theirs and sling TV and Playstation VUE have been up already. Doubt Comcast takes this route anytime soon but it's possible. I've seen other underground IPTV services for $15 a month for 400 channels, includes the premium channels. Man, I really have no clue what IPTV is nor do I what you're talking about so I'm gonna have to give this stuff a read. :lol1:

How HBO Makes Money

When you're putting all fights on PPV even fights that are not PPV Worthy, clearly something is wrong Peter Nelson seems to be doing the best he can with what he has to work with but he seems to be in a Lose/Lose situation. HBO was at its best BEFORE they took sides, when they would just order the best fights from ALL PROMOTERS. Need to drop all these Exclusive Contracts like they did Pacquiao Contract last year, scrap all that stuff and go back to the OLD FORMAT. Which ever promoter offers the best fights get the HBO Dates and not being stuck show a guy you have a contract with fight a WEAK OPPONENT just because you have that guy under contract HBO works with ALL promoters right now. Not sure why people think otherwise.

Cancelled my Hbo subscription last Friday do to the lack of boxing and went with Showtime In order to catch the Frampton/Santa Cruz rematch. Coulda asked first for a SHO trial...some cable companies will give you months of free HBO or SHO.

ohh sorry, misleading title... Only time will tell, what will happen with the boxing market, to me , the best way to measure this will be the GGG PPV numbers if it does less than 200K then we have nothing more to say...boxing is getting weaker every year. if he does more than 500K(I dont think so) then boxing will be hot for some time...imagine doing those number and then the Canelo fight. People will tune in. The avg. viewership for HBO boxing is the best way to measure whether HBO will stay in the boxing biz.

This isn't an HBO-Showtime thing. It isn't a boxing thing. It's a cord-cutter thing. ESPN is losing roughly half a million subscribers per month at the latest rate. Fox Sports is losing about a quarter of a million. Speculation is that ESPN will either be opting out or dramatically bidding lower next time is contracts for NFL, NBA and MLB come up. The problem for ESPN is a lot of their contracts aren't that old...so they're locked into them for a while. For example... Their NBA deal through 2025. The NFL deal is through 2021. The MLB deal is through 2021. The NCAA Football Playoff deal is through 2025. The SEC deal is through 2025. The ACC deal is through 2027. That's a lot of ESPN's money committed long-term while their subscribers are going down. So far, the ratings competition from FS1 hasn't been that great....ESPN still kills FS1 on the daily ratings...but, I think things will get interesting once FS1 starts showing the Big 10...that could be game-changer in terms of biting into ESPN's rating dominance. Once that happens, we'll see what ESPN's response is.

When you're putting all fights on PPV even fights that are not PPV Worthy, clearly something is wrong Peter Nelson seems to be doing the best he can with what he has to work with but he seems to be in a Lose/Lose situation. HBO was at its best BEFORE they took sides, when they would just order the best fights from ALL PROMOTERS. Need to drop all these Exclusive Contracts like they did Pacquiao Contract last year, scrap all that stuff and go back to the OLD FORMAT. Which ever promoter offers the best fights get the HBO Dates and not being stuck show a guy you have a contract with fight a WEAK OPPONENT just because you have that guy under contract

Cable TV slowly becoming obsolete. I wonder what all those companies will do once it comes true. They're just gonna sell people on IPTV, Direct TV just started theirs and sling TV and Playstation VUE have been up already. Doubt Comcast takes this route anytime soon but it's possible. I've seen other underground IPTV services for $15 a month for 400 channels, includes the premium channels.

You didn't read the post... said that if HBO pulls back on boxing spend but feels no loss in subscribers... they will likely cut boxing altogether as nobody cares about it. ohh sorry, misleading title... Only time will tell, what will happen with the boxing market, to me , the best way to measure this will be the GGG PPV numbers if it does less than 200K then we have nothing more to say...boxing is getting weaker every year. if he does more than 500K(I dont think so) then boxing will be hot for some time...imagine doing those number and then the Canelo fight. People will tune in.

HBO giving up on boxing would be the best thing that's ever happened to US boxing. We'll finally have one clear cut dominant league for boxing like the NFL/NBA/MLB/NHL. Any big fight the public ever wants to see would be guaranteed to happen. No more spreading the top fighters cross several warring factions or rarely/never work together. It would be a GREAT thing for boxing fans if PBC eventually becomes the boxing equivalent of the NFL. Can't disagree with that... It's like boxing fans don't understand that this basic, simple premise.

Oh gee I've never heard anything like this before I guess if people just keep saying it will go down, eventually they will be right

I'm sure HBO could make it worthwhile if that is a legit issue. Also lets not forget the Fox deal only has 4 fights a year on Fox & the rest of the shows are on Fox Sports 1 or 2 so its not like it'd be a huge problem. So a deal with HBO would likely mean 4-6 shows a year on HBO with a dozen+ on TNT, Tru TV or some sister network of HBO that has more access to non-premium cable audiences. Or hell Time Warner owns a piece of Hulu so they might even try to throw some fights on Hulu too to try to boost that market with some live sports as I suspect is going to be happening more & more. I think its far too early to say what these new UFC owners have in store, but I know they are gonna be thinking bigger. And to me that says premium cable & HBO is the king of premium cable & I suspect even linking the UFC to HBO PPV would help make their PPV audience grow as well. HBO does great side programming for PPV boxing & I suspect they'd do equally as well with PPV MMA. I doubt it... Fox needs sports content and will bid accordingly. HBO is a dead issue for UFC. They make 10,000X more on original programming than sports so it would be stupid to spend $100 million+ annually on any sport.

Cancelled my Hbo subscription last Friday do to the lack of boxing and went with Showtime In order to catch the Frampton/Santa Cruz rematch.

This isn't an HBO-Showtime thing. It isn't a boxing thing. It's a cord-cutter thing. ESPN is losing roughly half a million subscribers per month at the latest rate. Fox Sports is losing about a quarter of a million. Speculation is that ESPN will either be opting out or dramatically bidding lower next time is contracts for NFL, NBA and MLB come up. Cable TV slowly becoming obsolete. I wonder what all those companies will do once it comes true.

This isn't an HBO-Showtime thing. It isn't a boxing thing. It's a cord-cutter thing. ESPN is losing roughly half a million subscribers per month at the latest rate. Fox Sports is losing about a quarter of a million. Speculation is that ESPN will either be opting out or dramatically bidding lower next time is contracts for NFL, NBA and MLB come up.