Will ESPN Cancel the Deal with GBP SInce ODH got the DUI?

What's the etc, though? Just like you, I've got access to BoxRec; you remove the shows at Bellasco and Fantasy Resorts, and you've basically got the 5 shows that you've listed and not much of anything else. The point is, the fighters that were big enough for other tv like HBO/PPV (like Canelo, Hopkins, Lemieux, Vargas, Matthysse), where they had more of a bigger budget, they have taken their fighters to other venues. Most of their roster wasn't at that level, and so they were limited to where they had those fights. That's kinda the point of the ESPN2 deal, better budget, and Gomez has said they will stage fights all over the country.

No idea, tbh. It seems like you should have an idea since you keep on bringing him up. You're proposing something that Roc Nation and Gary Shaw "could" do and you're not substantiating it very well.

With how slow RN has progressed & the general low budget PBC-like mismanagement of investment in boxers they have had in fans opinions they might have been better off keeping Shaw around. You know 20/20 hindsight & all. maybe, but no crying over spilled milk and all that jazz

What people are not considering is the responsibility of a promoter. Note that the current fighter signed to GBP is avoiding the fight people want to see. GBP went through a period where they promoted the competitive fights people wanted to see. They could do this because they could easily drop a fighter that didnt live up to the hype. Not going to say Schaeffer acted honestly but it is a fair argument to say he balanced the risk of signing a fighter long term against the reward of promoting what is hot on a fight by fight basis. Saul Alvarez isn't signed to Golden Boy Promotions; Saul Alvarez is signed to Canelo Promotions, which partners with Golden Boy Promotions on the fights involving Saul Alvarez (With Canelo Promotions keeping the Mexico money and basically splitting the net proceeds on everything else 80/20). Golden Boy was able to "promote the competitive fights people wanted to see" because they had the TV outlets and Haymon had his fighters banned by HBO. The risk wasn't "signing a fighter longterm against the rewards of promoting on a fight-by-fight basis"; the risk was that Haymon could walk away, work out a deal with Lou DiBella, and Schaefer (and a stable of largely Latin fighters below 135lbs) would have to compete for Showtime dates against DiBella (and a stable including Floyd Mayweather and a sheer ton of top talent, including fighters like Wilder, Garcia, Thurman, etc), a competition that he'd largely lose, tbh

RN is only keeping their prospects active via throwing them on random promoter cards or letting them freelance on other promoters cards. Roc Nation only promoted 3 of Rock's 7 fights. And didn't Shaw get sh^tcanned out of the gate? Only reason RNS farms out their guys elsewhere is because they don't have the dates; if they had the TV dates, their prospects would be fighting largely on their shows. Shaw and RNS simply couldn't come to a final understandng on the terms that they agreed to (I think Shaw wanted to have his company acquired by RNS, with he himself becoming the "boxing guy" for the entire RNS company).

They've used those venues for smaller cards. However, you're just conveniently leaving off other venues they've had fights at...MSG, AT&T, T-Mobile, Stubhub Center, Turning Stone, etc. What's the etc, though? Just like you, I've got access to BoxRec; you remove the shows at Bellasco and Fantasy Resorts, and you've basically got the 5 shows that you've listed and not much of anything else.

You keep bringing up Gary Shaw...how many shows is he even doing these days? No idea, tbh. But Gary Shaw does have Bryant Jennings and other fighters under his banner, and Shaw has no other outlets, currently to push his fighters out on. Shaw and Roc Nation, from what I remember, had a deal to merge companies (that fell apart over Shaw wanting to be the lead party for the boxing business); if RNS would get the deal, I doubt that both parties would be opposed to re-entering talks again. RNS gets access to more talent for their dates, while Gary Shaw actually gets the chance to put his fighters on TV.

So you think Haymon played Schaefer & Schaefer played Oscar while Oscar was getting high all the time? I mean maybe. Or maybe Haymon decided this was the time to attempt to do what he said he could do almost two decades ago, take over boxing. And Schaefer showed himself to be a great promoter. And GBP had the brand of one of the best boxers in the game to lead that charge to take over boxing. And Schaefer would have been promoting all of Haymon's fighters via GBP owned by Haymon towards that end if Oscar had sold. Seems like a win win plan for Schaefer & Haymon. And even a W for Oscar who'd walk with $100M more in his bank account & who like I said early on I don't believe excels at the promoting business without someone at the reins anyway & might be best served being some sort of celebrity in the sport of boxing or could have been a spokeperson for this new takeover boxing entity Haymon was trying to create. This is one of the arguments I don't even get. The "roster" you talk about is as much Haymon's as GBP's. Haymon was the manager & GBP was the promoter. Haymon didn't steal sh^t. Those where his fighters to manage & he advised them long term promoter agreements were bad deals for them. Haymon's fighters agreed & didn't resign with GBP. GBP was in the position to keep them on a fight by fight basis or let damn near the entire talent pool of GBP walk away completely. The problem here from GBP's side might be that GBP put too much focus on Haymon fighters & didn't branch out with fighters aligned with other people besides Haymon that something like this could even happen. LOL. Nah man thats nuts. Again Haymon can't "steal" fighters he already has a contract with himself. And Canelo wasn't going anywhere. Canelo had no connection to Haymon & to the best of my knowledge there was no attempt to create one beyond the purchase of GBP that Oscar didn't agree to. Being banned & fulfilling a standard non-compete clause in a business are two entirely different things. But obviously bring forth much different emotions from fans who are reading that remark. Schaefer wasn't banned from anything. He had to fulfill a non-compete clause (which likely needed to be arbitrated itself since Schaefer was signed with GBP til March 2018). These are standard in competitive businesses. I've signed non-compete clauses when I worked in the poker world & I fulfilled them. I nor Schaefer was ever banned from poker or boxing, respectively. Finally we agree. Schaefer wasn't forced out via a lawsuit. He quit. My point is regardless what Schaefer's motive's when you work for a boss you do what you are told and you keep your boss in the loop with your moves. How can anyone deny that schaefer was not doing that? Oscar suspected that the contracts were shady done behind his back and knowledge. After Schaefer was booted out we found out the contracts weren't on the up and up and that's inexcusable to have a exec conducting business like that behind his owners back let alone a so called "friend" before he brought you in to run HIS company. Oscar was high as f#ck during this time. He was offered that buyout while he was in rehab (which was a dirt move by Haymon & you'll see me suggesting as such if you search my posts here). I don't trust Oscar to remember things he was told or not told & like I've said from the start I refuse to believe this isn't coming up in conversation between a owner & President of a company at some point & its for sure something thats viewable by a owner doing his due diligence with his company. I've seen no evidence that says Oscar was directly lied to by Schaefer about anything & occum's razor tells me Oscar was more likely to be not paying attention to basic sh^t than Richard was doing all this CIA/FBI/KGB caliber espionage to hid all these facts that would have been out in the open for any owner paying attention. And thats my grey area on all this bs. I feel like either Oscar was too f#cked up with his addiction during this time to be a worthwhile business owner to be paying attention to the things Schaefer was telling him or Oscar was too f#cked up to do business & Schaefer decided to f#ck him over with Haymon or Oscar was too f#cked up to do business & Schaefer eventually partnered with Haymon on the up & up to do right by GBP without Oscar who had bigger problems then being bought out. But mainly I just think we don't know enough to make a call despite it being much more fun to make the call as many have done & done against Schaefer. Schaefer was most definitely forced to resign and then sued shortly after. And you keep acting like selling his own company was what Oscar wanted or in his best interest. Clearly Haymon had his agenda but Schaefer worked for Oscar and shouldn't be operating in Haymon's best interest or plotting things in his own interest. He works for Golden Boy and at no point has Oscar ever given off the vibe that he was in promoting just to build a company and then sell it. 100mil sounds great if you don't care about boxing. Oscar is a life long boxer who already made hundreds of millions as a fighter and owns other company's and by all accounts took care of his money as a fighter. He's not trying to cash out or lose his company if he was he would of done so. He's already rich and worth more then 100mil. Golden Boy could fold tomorrow and he's still rich for the rest of his life. Just because someone tries to buy your car and you say no I love the car I'm not selling it don't give you the right to steal it. And then say well I was going to pay you before I stole it. LMAO And no these weren't Haymon fighters. There was a time where they were all found, built and signed to Golden Boy. At some point along the way Haymon used his influence with Floyd and had Schaefer steering fighters to sign with him. That was part of Oscar's beef and part of the arbitration and why Oscar received a settlement. We can go back in circles all you want but Schaefer making deals for himself and Haymon was not part of his job responsibility. He had a boss, an owner and he was clearly doing things outside of what his boss wanted and knew about. When you have a roster full of home grown fighters and then a few years later coincidentally after a buy out attempt all a sudden fighters contracts are not renewed, Schaefers name appearing in key contracts as exist clause if he leaves the company and ultimately more then half the roster is not inked operating on a hand shake deal and the f'ing owner don't know about it? Don't tell me that's in Oscar's best interest. He's a promoter more because he likes being around boxing not because he's strapped for money and trying to cash out. Oscar could of been high, drunk, killing kittens in his basement for all I care. Schaefers job and responsibility was to Golden Boy nothing you keep mentioning is in Golden Boy's best interest. There is no promotion company out there that would be ok with how Golden Boy fighters were being fed in a soup kitchen line to sign with Haymon while not re-signing with Golden Boy. We have not seen this happen in any other company before and haymon hasn't raided any other promotion company like this since. Picking up a fighter here and there from another promoter is one thing. The mass amount of fighters he got who were originally under contract with Golden Boy is unheard of. Had they been signing with Haymon and still signing with Golden Boy Oscar would not of had a problem and Schaefer would of been doing his job. If he is so chummy and cool with Haymon and they were going to keep working together regardless then no problem Haymon letting his fighters sign a contract. But the way the contracts were handled scream conspiracy with Schaefer in on it especially after the failed takeover/buy out.

From Dan's chat today Shocking news right there.

From Dan's chat today Adriano Mariano (AZ) Dan I knew ODLH was going to relapse and get popped.. Wowww you would think with all the feria ($) he makes, he coulda just called a taxi, or uber, or even had one of his team drive him around town.. SMH. Does this setback, in any way, put a monkey wrench into the espn2 deal w/ GBP? Freaks wanna know.. Dan Rafael, King Fight Freak (1:01 PM) Yes, getting a car service would be the mature thing to do. Driving drunk is just stupid. You could kill yourself but, worse, kill some innocent person also. I am not surprised by Oscar's setback. Addicts have setbacks. I was concerned because besides the TMZ videos that have come out showing that he had clearly been drinking, I was with a couple of writer friends of mine at The Forum at the post-fight party after the BHop fight last month and we were with Oscar talking and he was drinking beers. Could see this coming a mile away. I hope Oscar gets the help he needs. As for the deal with ESPN, however, I don't think it has any impact whatsoever.

You mean that other thread where the thread starter can't get anyone to agree with them? It's just funny to see you guys get so upset about this GBP-ESPN deal. Now you are just flat out lying. At no point have I been upset about the GBP/ESPN deal.

I saw some of your responses in other threads. Basically any thread that isn't pro GBP you label a troll thread. I now understand what your deal is. You mean that other thread where the thread starter can't get anyone to agree with them? It's just funny to see you guys get so upset about this GBP-ESPN deal.

No I don't think Haymon has a contract with Schaefer right now. I think Haymon played schaefer to get the keys to the safe. I don't even blame Haymon that was just next level genius how he stole an entire roster. I blame Schaefer because that doesn't happen without him being in on it. But today Haymon doesn't need schaefer anymore he has the fighters and tons of other promoters he currently uses for PBC but at one point he was in on a deal with Haymon to buy out Golden Boy. We know that for a fact. Then he conspired to help Haymon steal away fighters but Oscar woke up before it was too late saved a few fighters including the most important one the superstar (Canelo) and threw lawsuits at both Haymon and Schaefer. Part of the settlement banned Schaefer from promoting for over a year. So Haymon went off to do his own thing with PBC and without Schaefer but that clearly was not plan A. Plan A was to buy Golden Boy and then launch his takeover with Schaefer. Who knows what PBC/Golden Boy or whatever it would of been called and looked like if not for Oscar's lawsuits forcing Schaefer out ect. Haymon adapted and created PBC without Schaefer. My point is regardless what Schaefer's motive's when you work for a boss you do what you are told and you keep your boss in the loop with your moves. How can anyone deny that schaefer was not doing that? Oscar suspected that the contracts were shady done behind his back and knowledge. After Schaefer was booted out we found out the contracts weren't on the up and up and that's inexcusable to have a exec conducting business like that behind his owners back let alone a so called "friend" before he brought you in to run HIS company. What would you do if you had a business partner that had a serious addiction that was affecting his ability to do his job?

That doesn't mean he won't or can't be at some point if he crosses a line. And this is nothing crazy, this is standard in many legal proceedings & sometimes people get sued for talking & sometimes they don't. And for me this doesn't even require anything dirty that we don't know the full details of. If my best friend who helped make a hugely successful company with me offered to buy me out after everything was going fine with some other business partner & I'm the name of the f#cking company I'd feel a lil betrayed & f#cked up about it to without any other alleged snake in the grass bs. I also doubt Schaefer is a lizard without emotions & probably has some guilt just for that situation regardless if the point we are debating is true or not cuz that alone is kinda a f#cked up thing. That being the case I'd suggest Schaefer is less likely to take legal measures against Oscar for talking if things crossed the line. And truthfully I can't recall anything directly aimed at Schaefer that makes it to the point of taking Oscar back into court or an arbitration to shut him up so idk how plausible that even is at this point only that Oscar is taking a risk for something that only turns out bad for him at this point if he crosses that line. So what are you suggesting he had some sort of contract with Haymon or there is some sort of paperwork that he was paid by Haymon to conspire against the company he worked for? Are you also suggesting there are contracts with these "faux" promoters now to promote fighters they don't actually have signed to their company since no one does handshake agreements in the promotion business? I think Haymon is doing sh^t a lil differently then most people in the business in many ways & one of them involves non-contract agreements with promoters that GBP had a monopoly on with Haymon boxers at one point as best as I can tell. No I don't think Haymon has a contract with Schaefer right now. I think Haymon played schaefer to get the keys to the safe. I don't even blame Haymon that was just next level genius how he stole an entire roster. I blame Schaefer because that doesn't happen without him being in on it. But today Haymon doesn't need schaefer anymore he has the fighters and tons of other promoters he currently uses for PBC but at one point he was in on a deal with Haymon to buy out Golden Boy. We know that for a fact. Then he conspired to help Haymon steal away fighters but Oscar woke up before it was too late saved a few fighters including the most important one the superstar (Canelo) and threw lawsuits at both Haymon and Schaefer. Part of the settlement banned Schaefer from promoting for over a year. So Haymon went off to do his own thing with PBC and without Schaefer but that clearly was not plan A. Plan A was to buy Golden Boy and then launch his takeover with Schaefer. Who knows what PBC/Golden Boy or whatever it would of been called and looked like if not for Oscar's lawsuits forcing Schaefer out ect. Haymon adapted and created PBC without Schaefer. My point is regardless what Schaefer's motive's when you work for a boss you do what you are told and you keep your boss in the loop with your moves. How can anyone deny that schaefer was not doing that? Oscar suspected that the contracts were shady done behind his back and knowledge. After Schaefer was booted out we found out the contracts weren't on the up and up and that's inexcusable to have a exec conducting business like that behind his owners back let alone a so called "friend" before he brought you in to run HIS company.

Conspiracies involve more than one person....this isn't a conspiracy because nobody's in on it with you. But nice try dude. I saw some of your responses in other threads. Basically any thread that isn't pro GBP you label a troll thread. I now understand what your deal is. This wasn't intended that way. Given that you have a similar take on this thread as JoeMan, Luillin, Gman supreme and death adder, I need not take your criticism seriously anymore.

So responding to posts is subtly trying to make an argument. Dude you need to layoff the conspiracy theory channels. It's making you act like a child. Conspiracies involve more than one person....this isn't a conspiracy because nobody's in on it with you. But nice try dude.

Except you didn't just create a poll and let people answer it. Look at you all up in everyone's responses trying to subtly make your argument. Sorry your troll poll didn't work better dude.... So responding to posts is subtly trying to make an argument. Dude you need to layoff the conspiracy theory channels. It's making you act like a child.

Or they just gave their opinion to a legitimate question. I have no problem with the vote totals. Except you didn't just create a poll and let people answer it. Look at you all up in everyone's responses trying to subtly make your argument. Sorry your troll poll didn't work better dude.... If you are management at ESPN2/ESPN deportes, what would you do? I wasn't thinking they'd do it as punishment for the DUI but moreso because h its the 3rd time he has had an incident involving drugs or alcohol during the week of a fight and might not be available to promote this event and some in the future. In regular circumstances I agree. This is unique because this tarnishes his image to a degree and his image is needed to promote these events. Those are different situations. As I said in earlier responses this is a hit to ODH's image. His image as the "Golden Boy" is what he uses to promote fights. However, this is yet another fight where he has a drug/alcohol related incident that makes him unable to do the job they are paying him and GBP to do-promote fights. I see your points but it feels different to me. Gomez doesn't do the on Tv promoting and interviews that ODH does. ODH may just be the face of the company, but if that image is compromised, then it might not want the negative attention. But most seem to agree with you nothing will be done.

Real question is why do you think it will be canceled? You haven't provided anything that would justify making this thread. Normal folks would be curious if there were anything similar in the past without any partisan crap you regularly spew. I don't know if it will be and I didn't post, imply or suggest it will or should be cancelled. I posted why I asked the question. Normal folks answered the question and moved on. Only garbage responses are from garbage posters. Don't forget to vote.

Real question is why do you think it will be canceled? You haven't provided anything that would justify making this thread. Normal folks would be curious if there were anything similar in the past without any partisan crap you regularly spew.