Loma is pretty young still, GGG not so much but I believe 2017-18 will define some legacy for Gennady.
my coach loves loma, he grew on me....kids the goods...his resume justs needs to catch up to his talent and know how....he could easily be # 1p4p if he beats the fight guys....unify 130...get a belt at 135..cant deny him then :boxing:
talent wise he is one of the best......it has to be proven in the ring.....eye test only goes so far but he is definitely on the way.
same thing with GGG, to a much greater degree....the talent is there but its hard to know how good they are if they are not fighting elite competition
Loma is pretty young still, GGG not so much but I believe 2017-18 will define some legacy for Gennady.
no, but that's just your observation of defining p4p. There is no 'official' representation it is a subjective question. His obviously the most talented fighter along with Rigo, resume's regardless. Just look at the Walters fight, a guy who dismantled Donaire. He made it look so easy it was ridiculous almost and he didn't even step down the pedal fully. Tellling
talent wise he is one of the best......it has to be proven in the ring.....eye test only goes so far but he is definitely on the way.
same thing with GGG, to a much greater degree....the talent is there but its hard to know how good they are if they are not fighting elite competition
loma hasn't been in with p4p type comp
no, but that's just your observation of defining p4p. There is no 'official' representation it is a subjective question. His obviously the most talented fighter along with Rigo, resume's regardless. Just look at the Walters fight, a guy who dismantled Donaire. He made it look so easy it was ridiculous almost and he didn't even step down the pedal fully. Tellling
doesnt make him p4p no 1.... everybody can see Lomachenko has a million more talent, if you understnad anything about pugilism
loma hasn't been in with p4p type comp
Bro, your post is full of pretexts. Ward is from U.S.A and is obvious he is the local man. No way a guy from Russia will be the winner in a close fight vs a super star from U.S.A fighting in Las Vegas.
Then...
http://static.boxrec.com/thumb/6/61/Sanchez_floors_Gomez.jpg/400px-Sanchez_floors_Gomez.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/SqqRq-243OM/hqdefault.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/03/10/28426F1200000578-3065798-Mayweather_is_now_unbeaten_in_48_fights_after_producing_a_boxing-a-9_1430646539844.jpg
http://b78b.http.cdn.softlayer.net/00B78B/thesweetscience/images/stories/Donaire_vs_Rigondeaux4132013_2.jpg
Ward "won" only because he was the local man, his fight was mediocre and horrible, he was clinching in a crazy mode.
He is a good fighter but not that good of people from U.S.A thinks he is. And no way he is the #1. He needs beat clearly Kova in the rematch but he is scared to fight again.
He is very limited in a lot of aspects.
blah blah blah...post your scorecard and the rounds kov won....he lost bro get over it.....ward is not beloved or some icon....kov was the hbo fighter and being branded as the killer.....ward upset the applecart
dude.....Ward is from Oakland....not Las Vegas
Kovalev has fought in the US consistently for years....has been on HBO for years...was the in-house fighter
Ward won bro....many pro fighters, trainers, officials had it 1-2 points for ward....I could see a draw or wouldn't have cried foul if kov won...the fight had like 4 swing rounds.
when two elite fighters square off, its rare you see a dominant performance...close fights happen...wish some people would stop acting like this fight was Augustus vs Burton or Whitaker vs chavez.....those were ROBBERIES.
Bro, your post is full of pretexts. Ward is from U.S.A and is obvious he is the local man. No way a guy from Russia will be the winner in a close fight vs a super star from U.S.A fighting in Las Vegas.
Then...
http://static.boxrec.com/thumb/6/61/Sanchez_floors_Gomez.jpg/400px-Sanchez_floors_Gomez.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/SqqRq-243OM/hqdefault.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/03/10/28426F1200000578-3065798-Mayweather_is_now_unbeaten_in_48_fights_after_producing_a_boxing-a-9_1430646539844.jpg
http://b78b.http.cdn.softlayer.net/00B78B/thesweetscience/images/stories/Donaire_vs_Rigondeaux4132013_2.jpg
Ward "won" only because he was the local man, his fight was mediocre and horrible, he was clinching in a crazy mode.
He is a good fighter but not that good of people from U.S.A thinks he is. And no way he is the #1. He needs beat clearly Kova in the rematch but he is scared to fight again.
He is very limited in a lot of aspects.
Learn what a fact is. An opinion isn't a fact. Ward won that's a fact, it's your opinion that Kovalev should have got the decision. :dunce:
It's a fact Ward got gifted the decision, learn that before you comment further you utter tool.
And stop following me around whoever the fuck you are, loser.
A million more talent?
Same people bashing Ward for a close fight with a P4P fighter ignore the fact Lomachenko struggled with fucking Salido.
Same people saying P4P list should be just about talent have fucking Golovkin ahead of Rigondeaux.
:lol1:
well i dont have GGG ahead of Rigo either.
not even 'bashing' Ward but he isn't even a p4p fighter anymore and he lost to Sergey, who is in fact top 5 p4p.
Deal with these facts before commenting further.
.....let the butthurt go bro...its a new year...been almost 2 months
kov lost fair and square....had he ADJUSTED and actually learned more than a head lock on the inside, He'd have sealed the deal...ward picked up steam and finished stronger....both are great but kov lost...deal with it
doesnt make him p4p no 1.... everybody can see Lomachenko has a million more talent, if you understnad anything about pugilism
Already all have been counted.
Douglass Fischer (The Ring) 117-110 Kovalev
Andrew Harrison (Boxing Monthly) 117-111 Kovalev
Harold Lederman (HBO) 116-111 Kovalev
Bernardo Osuna (ESPN) 115-113 Kovalev
Chris Mannix (Yahoo) 115-112 Kovalev
Al Bernstein (Showtime) 115-112 Kovalev
Dan Rafael (ESPN) 115-112 Kovalev
Bad Left Hook 115-112 Kovalev
Steve Kim (Boxing Scene) 115-112 Kovalev
Lance Pugmire (Los Angeles Times) 115-112 Kovalev
Revista Bokser 115-112 Kovalev
Eduardo Lamazon (best analyst in Latin America) 115-112 Kovalev
Ryan Songalia (The Ring) 115-112 Kovalev
Eric Raskin (HBO) 114-113 Kovalev
Boxing Monthly 114-113 Kovalev
Kieran Mulvaney (HBO) 114-113 Kovalev
Damian Ferrer (La Esquina Neutral) 114-113 Kovalev
Frankie Pinero (La Esquina Neutral) 114-113 Kovalev
Marcelo Gonzalez (Canal Space) 114-113 Kovalev
Salvador Rodriguez (ESPN) 114-113 Kovalev
Cesar Gonzalez Gomez (Izquierdazo) 114-113 Kovalev
Kevin Iole (Yahoo) 114-113 Ward
The Ring 114-113 Ward
Mike Coppinger (USA Today) 114-113 Ward
Brian Campbell (ESPN) 114-113 Ward
Tom Craze (Bad Left Hook) 116-111 Ward
most appropriate name ever?
Already all have been counted.
Douglass Fischer (The Ring) 117-110 Kovalev
Andrew Harrison (Boxing Monthly) 117-111 Kovalev
Harold Lederman (HBO) 116-111 Kovalev
Bernardo Osuna (ESPN) 115-113 Kovalev
Chris Mannix (Yahoo) 115-112 Kovalev
Al Bernstein (Showtime) 115-112 Kovalev
Dan Rafael (ESPN) 115-112 Kovalev
Bad Left Hook 115-112 Kovalev
Steve Kim (Boxing Scene) 115-112 Kovalev
Lance Pugmire (Los Angeles Times) 115-112 Kovalev
Revista Bokser 115-112 Kovalev
Eduardo Lamazon (best analyst in Latin America) 115-112 Kovalev
Ryan Songalia (The Ring) 115-112 Kovalev
Eric Raskin (HBO) 114-113 Kovalev
Boxing Monthly 114-113 Kovalev
Kieran Mulvaney (HBO) 114-113 Kovalev
Damian Ferrer (La Esquina Neutral) 114-113 Kovalev
Frankie Pinero (La Esquina Neutral) 114-113 Kovalev
Marcelo Gonzalez (Canal Space) 114-113 Kovalev
Salvador Rodriguez (ESPN) 114-113 Kovalev
Cesar Gonzalez Gomez (Izquierdazo) 114-113 Kovalev
Kevin Iole (Yahoo) 114-113 Ward
The Ring 114-113 Ward
Mike Coppinger (USA Today) 114-113 Ward
Brian Campbell (ESPN) 114-113 Ward
Tom Craze (Bad Left Hook) 116-111 Ward
look at the number one P4P
youre a boxing fan right......we already have a thread where we scored round by round and majority on this site scored it for ward or a draw
simple
score it round by round......which rounds you gave to who and post it......otherwise give it a rest......try to give Kov all those rounds the official judges missed without looking like an idiot....I'll wait.
Got Loma, very special talent.
Andre Ward, gtfo already you bums :lol1:.....let the butthurt go bro...its a new year...been almost 2 months
kov lost fair and square....had he ADJUSTED and actually learned more than a head lock on the inside, He'd have sealed the deal...ward picked up steam and finished stronger....both are great but kov lost...deal with it