You have to "take" a champion's title

You should score the round according to won the round. very tight round? score it 10-10. What is the point of giving any fighter the round just because he carries a belt? That being said I believe Kovalev won but most of the mid-later rounds were close. Looking forward to the rematch You can't score a 10-10 round. The rules say you MUST give one fighter a 10, and the other guy a 9. I'm disappointed in boxing guys around here that would give a challenger the 10 in an even round.

Ward went down from a standard good shot, there wasn't anything special about the shot. He got caught with a clean shot, and went down to see what was up, and then got back up. I've been caught by a good shot i didn't see coming, and took a flash knockdown to keep from getting hit with a followup flurry, and to see where i was as far as having my legs and balance. When you go down from a good shot, and know that you went down to keep from getting barraged and to access your condition, you always get up mad because you went down for nothing because you don't feel hurt. Neither fighter turned their hands loose in that fight, and there was no trades of good shots, and nobody fought hurt. Kovalev blew it because he didn't pressure and throw. Maybe because ward was running, but Kov had chances at times when ward stopped, but he still didnt attack. No heart in that fight, for either guy.

I haven't talked too much about the Kovalev vs. Ward fight because even though I lost 2k on the fight, I'm pretty disappointed in both Kovalev and the judges. I'm disappointed in Kovalev because he fought a way too cautious fight. There was no slugging going on in that boxing match. Neither fighter made a statement in that matchup. Instead, they both fought too cautious, and neither had to show much heart. I wish it would have been a fight, instead of a sparring match. so ward bouncing back up from a knockdown and not losing his concentration to make the fight competitive is not heart? any other fighter gets hit flush by kovalev they throw the strategy out the window and just hope to not get killed.

You should score the round according to won the round. very tight round? score it 10-10. What is the point of giving any fighter the round just because he carries a belt? That being said I believe Kovalev won but most of the mid-later rounds were close. Looking forward to the rematch

I haven't talked too much about the Kovalev vs. Ward fight because even though I lost 2k on the fight, I'm pretty disappointed in both Kovalev and the judges. I'm disappointed in Kovalev because he fought a way too cautious fight. There was no slugging going on in that boxing match. Neither fighter made a statement in that matchup. Instead, they both fought too cautious, and neither had to show much heart. I wish it would have been a fight, instead of a sparring match. Secondly, you should have to take a champion's title, the title-holder should get the benefit of the doubt in an even round, and a champion should get the benefit of the doubt in an even fight. I watched the fight multiple times, with and without sound. I gave Ward rounds 1, 3, and 11. So I scored the fight 117-110 for Kovalev.To make matters worse, Ward got 5 million, and Kovalev- the champ with 3 titles - got 2 million for the fight. I truly believe that the fight was signed way too far out, and each fighter had the chance to get into each other's heads. There should be an unspoken, unwritten, rule-of-thumb in boxing that says you have to respect a champion's dignity of the title. You can't give an even round, or an even fight, to a challenger. They should have to earn it. Boxing, the sport we love, loses fans with bad decisions such as this. Another thing that hurts boxing is when you pay 2 warriors millions, and charge fight fans a days wages to watch it, and the warriors don't fight. No doubt that the re-match will be a war, and probably will be taken out of the hands of the judges. But I don't think either one of these guys has a place in the ring with Adonis Stevenson right now. They have to re-store their dignity, and the dignity of boxing first. You can't score fights for ****. I'd be embarrassed if I was you.

In an even round, how can you justify giving the 10 to the challenger? If it is even the challenger didnt take anything, and the champ didnt lose anything. I don't like the 10 point MUST system because you must give an even round to somebody. I would rather give each fighter a 10 in an even round. LET THE CLEAR 10-9 ROUNDS BE THE DECIDING FACTOR.

When judges score a fight, they give 10 points to the winner of the round, and 9 to the loser of the round - unless it was a knockdown, then the loser of the round gets 8 points. In the event of an even round, it is a 10 point MUST system, meaning that you have to give one of the fighters a 10. In that event, an even round is a draw, and the rules say a champion wins in the event of a draw. In a championship fight, I'm just not going to give the challenger the 10 in an even round. There was even rounds in the Kov vs Ward fight, and I gave the even rounds to Kov the champion. In an even round in a championship fight, I always give the 10 to the champ in respect for his title. The challenger is trying to take the title, and giving the challenger a gift 10 in an even round doesn't lend itself to a challenger taking a title.

I got no clue what the Larry Merchant "hometown decision" bs angle is about. If you see how it can be 114-113 Ward then its simply a case of the fight being within the margin of error. A hometown decision isn't a fight thats within the margin of error to me. Its a fight where a guy lost, but got the W & was in his hometown, state or country even. This was just a close fight. Its not as controversial as people wanna make it out to be. I think boxing fans are so used to & maybe in love with controversy at this point they try to make controversy up when there isn't any if we are being reasonable & logical about things. Hometown decision is not a fight were the result is only horrible or totally wrong, it can be a result where the hometown fighter is clearly favoured and getting all the swing/debatable rounds wich happened this week end with Ward and his fellow american judges.

Hometown boys are the toughest to beat hometown boys can literally lose 12 rounds yet get decision. That's why ward gets little credit and most feel he didn't do enough for a genuine win. He got a hometown win. Controversial decision as the wrong man won. But not quite a robbery.

Whatever you wish to believe..i know whats ..go ahead fight history my friend and the rule book. I think you may not want to agree with this b/c then it shows the winner. ive been around the game and you are wrong. Please point me to where the rule book and scoring criteria states that effective aggression is the most important than any of the others and I will agree with you.

You said "pro boxing is only about damage". I said pro boxing isn't all about damage. You certainly seemed to imply that only damage matters to me with your usage of "only". I don't wanna get into talking particular rounds cuz those debates are as boring as resume debates & can be super subjective & guys often have huge blind spots for guys they like or hate that make those debates huge wastes of times. I've also become bored with judging fights by round, like I used to love doing, & just like enjoying the actual fight without considering who's winning or losing a particular round. One thing I'll say is that over the couple decades I've been watching boxing I've noticed that power punches landed usually tell the story of the judges in fights, rightly or wrongly. And Kovalev only landed 17 more power punches over 12 rounds + in the way boxing is judged, by rounds, in 10 of the 12 rounds the difference between power punches landed was 3 or less. This was a f#cking close fight, not a robbery, like Kovalev fanboys or Ward haters are saying. And like I said Kovalev & his team can be upset & non-understanding about all this logic **** cuz they had skin in the game & there is a solid debate to be had that he deserved the decision. I don't believe fans who are saying Kovalev got robbed got much of a leg to stand on cuz the fight was close despite what rounds you feel are concrete for Kovalev, there is plenty of close rounds that could have led to either guy winning. Yes, but you need to give to Dre all the swing rounds to have that 144-113 card, and all the 3 american judges did it. They gave no one swing round to Serg, and that's why I'm calling it a hometown decision (not a robbery since a case of Ward winning can be made). You can have cards btw 114-113 Ward and 116-111 Kovalev and the three US judges went full Ward 114-113. Like I said, hometown decision, do you understand my point? Btw, I'm not american, not eastern european, not pro Ward or pro Kovalev. I just feel a big figure of our sport Kovalev, got his titles taken away by a US cooked decision. Not giving a swing round to Kova, and so only 5 rounds, 3 times is an unfair decision IMO.

:rofl: Charlie Z 2.0 wHO WINS, 4 rounds, Isaac Clarke or juggernaut666 :boxing:

You have to TAKE a Champion's title Oh it got taken alright. Taken is the perfect word. It was "taken" the same way you can go in a bank with a gun and "take" money. The judge scoring system has long been the biggest problem in Boxing, but if theyre not trying to change it that means it's working for whoever foots the bills. The only thing we can do is NOT support certain entities. Like the casinos here, Top Rank fights (I never pay to see a Pac fight) etc. That wont happen though. These horrific decisions mean just one thing to the powers that be....people talking about it....which equals publicity and advertisements for the second fight. They love to sell the same fight twice. Hell Top Rank sells you "people" the same fight 3,4 times. Stop consuming. All of you grow a brain before you get your ass kicked by Lou Cipher. Happy Thanksgiving.

You shouldn't talk about scoring fights when the majority all disagree with you. You and the Hillary crowd keep crying about the popular vote. The rest of us will keep smiling 114113, 114-113, 114-113 that's not only a majority, it's unanimous. You and Steven A Smith aren't going to convince me otherwise. I do LOVE that avi though, so respect for that.

You gave round 1 to Ward? That was a clear Kovalev round. Then you somehow gave 7,8,9 to Kovalev and ended up with Kovalev winning 117-110. You have the worst card i've seen by far. Edit: Look at this shit, that's honestly your card? :rofl::rofl: 1. Ward 2. Kovalev 3. Ward 4. Kovalev 5. Kovalev 6. Kovalev 7. Kovalev 8. Kovalev 9. Kovalev 10. Kovalev 11. Ward 12. Kovalev Mr.10k can't sell out Oracle arena got took to school and this diva is still trying to defend him.

^That was bad enough... But ^this tells me that you should take your $2,000 loss as a lesson, and never bet money on boxing again. You shouldn't talk about scoring fights when the majority all disagree with you.

You gave round 1 to Ward? That was a clear Kovalev round. Then you somehow gave 7,8,9 to Kovalev and ended up with Kovalev winning 117-110. You have the worst card i've seen by far. Edit: Look at this shit, that's honestly your card? :rofl::rofl: 1. Ward 2. Kovalev 3. Ward 4. Kovalev 5. Kovalev 6. Kovalev 7. Kovalev 8. Kovalev 9. Kovalev 10. Kovalev 11. Ward 12. Kovalev :lol1: That is just horrible.

Stop being bias and have a problem with people feeling ward didn't do enough, didn't take it to the champ. When you fight in other peoples country you have to take it to the hometown boiy. Kov knows he's got too ko ward to get win next time. So you support people always having home advantage pot shifting too victory? Ward could do that so he knew he didn't need to do anything other than pot shot Your a Floyd fsan so iknew you'd support ward. Floyd is another hometown fighter not wanting to travel. Because travelling beating people in their backyard is a big deal. You knoiknoiw yoiu vpcsan get roibbed so you go for it. Take it to the hometown boiy. But you support pot shifters fighting in own backyard. I can see why yoiu are here arguing now Can you read? I said I was supporting and rooting for Kovalev which I was. I'm not a Ward fan however I am a Kovalev fan. I just call it how I see it. I obviously have no problem with people saying Ward didn't do enough. I have no problem at all with someone scoring it for Kovalev obviously I can fully understand why more people felt Kovalev won than Ward especially after his dominant start. What I have a problem with is people refusing to adknowledge that it was close and you could argue Ward won the fight. I also have a problem with people claiming it was a robbery when it clearly wasn't.

Yes it is, its the first criteria of the rules,this is put in place to make sure you get the guy trying to fight more credit.the rest is debatable of who did what after round 6. That's completely false. It could be the "first criteria" but that doesn't make it the most important criteria like you're saying. No criteria is more important than the other they all come together. You don't get credit for "making the fight" like you're saying either you get credit for "effective aggression" along with clean punching, defense and ring generalship.

No not in my opinion. According to the rules and scoring criteria. No mention of "taking it to the champion" in either. Stop being bias and have a problem with people feeling ward didn't do enough, didn't take it to the champ. When you fight in other peoples country you have to take it to the hometown boiy. Kov knows he's got too ko ward to get win next time. So you support people always having home advantage pot shifting too victory? Ward could do that so he knew he didn't need to do anything other than pot shot Your a Floyd fsan so iknew you'd support ward. Floyd is another hometown fighter not wanting to travel. Because travelling beating people in their backyard is a big deal. You knoiknoiw yoiu vpcsan get roibbed so you go for it. Take it to the hometown boiy. But you support pot shifters fighting in own backyard. I can see why yoiu are here arguing now