The end all/be all determination as to whether it was a robbery....

Then why do about 90% of the posters on this board think the wrong man won?:bottle: bunch of crybabies thats why. :bottle::bottle:

I've already stated I thought Kov edged it. But I can see both sides. It was a very close fight where rounds were difficult to score. It certainly wasn't a robbery though. Hopefully there will be a rematch. Good to hear. And yes, hopefully they rematch right away.

So you justify Ward winning 7 rounds? How? He didn't dominate, he wasn't effectively aggressive, he didn't land cleaner punches either. He ran and clinched a lot and connected here and there (without hurting Sergey a single time) - that doesn't warrant dethroning the champ and grabbing the belts off him. I've already stated I thought Kov edged it. But I can see both sides. It was a very close fight where rounds were difficult to score. It certainly wasn't a robbery though. Hopefully there will be a rematch.

Kovalev outlanded Ward at round 10 and 12 where it was a clear Kovalev round. 17-11 and 21-13 Welp. That's that. I had Kovalev winning both of those rounds too. Kovalev got robbed :( Can somebody make the case for Ward winning rounds 10 and 12? Well thats a ****ing lie. http://www.boxingscene.com/andre-ward-vs-sergey-kovalev-compubox-punch-stats--110941 The compubox stats point to a close fight where defences won the day and nullified each guys offensive game.

:bottle: no controversy, the right man wonThen why do about 90% of the posters on this board think the wrong man won?:bottle:

The compubox stats say Ward landed more punches in rounds 3, 5, 7, 8, 9 and 11. Kovalev landed more punches in rounds 1, 2, 4, 6, 10 and 12. Kovalev landed 126 total punches out of 474 punches thrown. Ward landed 116 total punches out of 337 punches thrown. Kovalev landed 78 power punches and Ward landed 61 power punches. So Kovalev landed more punches in 6 of the 12 rounds and he scored a 2 point knockdown. Kovalev was the attacker the whole fight. Kovalev threw 137 more punches than Ward and landed 10 more punches than Ward. Kovalev also landed 17 more power punches than Ward. A kovalev power punch is much harder than a Ward power punch. If these stats are reasonably accurate Kovalev clearly should have won the fight. He was the aggressor the whole fight. He threw many more punches. He landed more and much harder punches and scored a knockdown. That is winning the fight in my book. Dr Rumack made a fantastic post that sheds a lot of light on this fight and on SOME of the people who insist Ward clearly won (which is not too many people): "It's important to recognise why that happens too. There's a huge problem with narrative bias when a guy like Ward fights. If the round is low action, he seems to win by default, without actually having to score himself. He gets credit for defence. But Kovalev gets no credit. When Kovalev blocks and slips shots, making Ward miss, it doesn't matter. Kovalev's defence is not part of the narrative. Only his offence. Whereas Ward gets credit for both. So Kovalev can only win rounds by landing heavy flush shots. Whereas Ward can win the round with a couple of spear jabs. I'm sick of seeing it. Both guys should have to score at the same level to win. In boxing at the moment it's like a soccer team playing ultra defensive against an attacking team, and being awarded the win without actually having to score themselves."

Ward won the last 6 rounds on the judges score cards. I think we have a way to see if this was truly a robbery: The compubox stats for those 6 rounds. Are they out there? If Ward won all 6 of the last 6 rounds, but Kovalev outlanded Ward in any, or a majority of those 6 rounds, and failed to get a SINGLE round, would you guys who think it's not quite a robbery, think it's more of a robbery? I will admit this right here: As a fan of Kovalev, I had him winning comfortably, BUT if he failed to outland Ward for any of those 6 rounds, I'll admit it was closer then I first thought and Ward scoring those points is okay. HOWEVER, if Kovalev out landed Ward for more then, what, like two of those rounds? I think I'd literally puke into this trashcan right next to me. Where's the compubox stats??!!? This could end this debate.The compubox stats say Ward landed more punches in rounds 3, 5, 7, 8, 9 and 11. Kovalev landed more punches in rounds 1, 2, 4, 6, 10 and 12. Kovalev landed 126 total punches out of 474 punches thrown. Ward landed 116 total punches out of 337 punches thrown. Kovalev landed 78 power punches and Ward landed 61 power punches. So Kovalev landed more punches in 6 of the 12 rounds and he scored a 2 point knockdown. Kovalev was the attacker the whole fight. Kovalev threw 137 more punches than Ward and landed 10 more punches than Ward. Kovalev also landed 17 more power punches than Ward. A kovalev power punch is much harder than a Ward power punch. If these stats are reasonably accurate Kovalev clearly should have won the fight. He was the aggressor the whole fight. He threw many more punches. He landed more and much harder punches and scored a knockdown. That is winning the fight in my book.

Compubox stats say otherwise. How can they not mean anything when you're living in a fantasy land? You've over here saying that Ward hit him with inside punches and body punches and you're blatantly ignoring what Kovalev did in those rounds. Compubox does matter when it shows that Kovalev outlanded Ward in rounds 10 and 12. How does that not matter? You're completely one-sided. As good as Wards body work was, that's all he had. Kovalev landed jsut as much body shots, and actually followed it up to the head with head snapping jabs. Ward barely threw any combos. I already gave Ward respect, plenty of times. This has nothing to do with respect. There was nothing controversial about the result? Come on dude lol :bottle: no controversy, the right man won

You could make a case Ward won 8 rounds actually. If a round is close, and Ward does the more of that criteria that leads to winning a round (clean punching, ring generalship, defense) by a slim margin you can give him the round. Which happened at least 6 times and you could argue 8 times. I think ward won 14 rds. what we have is an affirmative blaction decision designed to force inferior black fighters to replace east euros

Kovalev didn't outland him. Ward hit him with many body shots and inside punches. Kovalev barely threw any punches in the last half of the fight. Compubox doesn't mean anything. Just be fair, bro. I became a Kovalev fan last night. He impressed me by giving Ward such a hard fight. Why can't you just respect Ward for his hardfought victory? There was nothing controversial about the result. so compubox does not mean anything? so if a guy on compubox outlands the other guy 100-3 for 10 rds that means nothing?? most fights I have seen the guy that landed more on compubox without knockdowns won the fight 99.9999% of the time

You could make a case Ward won 8 rounds actually. . http://i.giphy.com/VrSZDlpRaHYje.gif

You could make a case Ward won 8 rounds actually. If a round is close, and Ward does the more of that criteria that leads to winning a round (clean punching, ring generalship, defense) by a slim margin you can give him the round. Which happened at least 6 times and you could argue 8 times. No, you couldn't at all. That was my point. rd1 K 10 W 9 rd2 K 10 W 8 rd3 K 10 W 9 rd4 K 10 W 9 rd5 K 10 W 9 rd6 K 10 W 9 rd7 K 9 W 10 rd8 K 9 W 10 rd9 K 9 W 10 rd10 K 10 W 9 rd11 K 9 W 10 rd12 K 10 W 9 Final score Kovalev 116 Ward 111 Kovalev dominated most of the fight, Ward did quite a bit of running and holding. In no way did Ward take the belts off the champ and in no way did he win on the cards. Even if you somehow give Ward a couple more rounds, he still loses this fight.

You could make a case Ward won 8 rounds actually. If a round is close, and Ward does the more of that criteria that leads to winning a round (clean punching, ring generalship, defense) by a slim margin you can give him the round. Which happened at least 6 times and you could argue 8 times. You have to really WANT Ward to win and make it a point of emphasis to give Ward all of the close rounds. That's not what really happened. Come on bro. Kovalev clearly won round 10. It's like you know the fight was close, so you HAVE to give the close rounds to Ward because if you don't give him just ONE of those close rounds, Kovalev wins. Bull****.

So you justify Ward winning 7 rounds? How? He didn't dominate, he wasn't effectively aggressive, he didn't land cleaner punches either. He ran and clinched a lot and connected here and there (without hurting Sergey a single time) - that doesn't warrant dethroning the champ and grabbing the belts off him. You could make a case Ward won 8 rounds actually. If a round is close, and Ward does the more of that criteria that leads to winning a round (clean punching, ring generalship, defense) by a slim margin you can give him the round. Which happened at least 6 times and you could argue 8 times.

Why are you so obsessed with round 10 and 12? Yeah, I think Ward looked more impressive in those rounds. I think Ward won all of the last 6 rounds and that's the official decision. You are the one who should prove otherwise and you can't do that by showing us some compubox stats when we saw Ward doing better in those rounds. Ward was much sharper and Kovalev simply couldn't get through with anything. What's your explanation for a great puncher like Kovalev not knocking down Ward in any of those rounds, when his jab could hurt Ward in round 1? The only logical explanation is that he simply didn't hit him enough both quality-wise and quantity-wise. Kovalev, on the other hand, got shook by Ward in the later rounds, sticking his head between the robes to avoid further punishment and his face looked like it had been through a blender, with blood everywhere. If the strong puncher's face is bleeding from multiple injuries (nose, cuts, etc.) and the weak puncher is still standing, then it gives a pretty clear picture of how the fight went. Um, because Kovalev outlanded Ward in those two rounds, and won both rounds IMO- and if he wins just one of those officially, he wins the fight. That second bolded sentence is absolutely ludicrous. Did you just start watching boxing? It's not Kovalevs fault he has power, why are people turning his power into a NEGATIVE, and not an asset? So, what, he has power, that doesn't mean he has to knock a guy out to be winning, wtf. He outboxed Ward. So, if Kovalev didn't have power- you could say he was boxing better, but since he has power, since he didn't score more KDs or a KO, his boxing doesn't matter? Lmao. Strong logic :lol1:

I have no problem with people thinking Kov won because it was a close highly competitive bout. Anyone saying robbery should kill themselves. Clowns ruin an intelligent discussion with their ignorance.

The fight was not a robbery. It was closely contested and could have gone either way. A rematch is certainly in order. So you justify Ward winning 7 rounds? How? He didn't dominate, he wasn't effectively aggressive, he didn't land cleaner punches either. He ran and clinched a lot and connected here and there (without hurting Sergey a single time) - that doesn't warrant dethroning the champ and grabbing the belts off him.

How was Ward better? You're not giving us anything to work with man, lol. Can you state why you think Ward won rounds 10 and 12? Be careful, because if you give Kovalev even one of those rounds on accident, he wins. Why are you so obsessed with round 10 and 12? Yeah, I think Ward looked more impressive in those rounds. I think Ward won all of the last 6 rounds and that's the official decision. You are the one who should prove otherwise and you can't do that by showing us some compubox stats when we saw Ward doing better in those rounds. Ward was much sharper and Kovalev simply couldn't get through with anything. What's your explanation for a great puncher like Kovalev not knocking down Ward in any of those rounds, when his jab could hurt Ward in round 1? The only logical explanation is that he simply didn't hit him enough both quality-wise and quantity-wise. Kovalev, on the other hand, got shook by Ward in the later rounds, sticking his head between the robes to avoid further punishment and his face looked like it had been through a blender, with blood everywhere. If the strong puncher's face is bleeding from multiple injuries (nose, cuts, etc.) and the weak puncher is still standing, then it gives a pretty clear picture of how the fight went.

Compubox stats aren't reliable source. This can only start the debate, not end What's not reliable about Kovalev clearly outlanding Ward in both the 10 and 12 rounds? Can you tell us why Ward won both of those rounds? Plz, anything but just "bodyshotz." If somebody can make a legit case for Ward winning both of those rounds, I'll concede that this was closer than I thought. but right now, that's not looking like the case

Compubox can't change reality, bro. Ward was simply better. Kovalev had a good start and that's it. How was Ward better? You're not giving us anything to work with man, lol. Can you state why you think Ward won rounds 10 and 12? Be careful, because if you give Kovalev even one of those rounds on accident, he wins.