Are white fighters more easily hyped? For example...
Imagine if Broner was white. People would respect him more, despite acting like a jerk, because it's bad for the white man's confidence to see a black man with so much confidence. My proof? McGregor is the most beloved personality in MMA at the moment and he acts worse than Broner!
Imagine if a black man did what Golovkin did. Fighting in a weak division for years and his best win is a guy who moved up two weight classes... People would say "he needs to prove himself!", "we don't know how good he is yet!", etc... My proof? Notice how white fans react to Joshua and Wilder, both knocking out lame opposition like Golovkin, but still not getting accepted. Joshua is actually fighting much better opposition now than Golovkin fought at that point in his career and Brook made Golovkin look lame. We don't know how good Golovkin is yet.
When a black man looks bad in a fight, like Ortiz in his last fight, people insist on him being exposed, just like they will say Wilder is exposed when he gets knocked out someday. Golovkin and Kovalev both looked absolutely horrible in their last fights. Golovkin got outboxed by Brook in the first two rounds and took too many punches, getting shaky legs (I should make a gif with that). But people start making excuses about it, lol. And Kovalev looked so amateurish against Chilemba, but it didn't keep white fans from insisting on him being able to KO Ward (who really is leagues above Chilemba).
There are countless of more examples, keep that in mind and think about it a bit before you base your answer on only the points I made above... The white fans need to start judging fighters by fair and objective criteria.
I think they might be. Not outrageous to say so but I also think that black boxing fans are easily annoyed by the rise of white fighters whether they're legit or hype jobs. That's not good imo.
Imagine if Broner was white. People would respect him more, despite acting like a jerk, because it's bad for the white man's confidence to see a black man with so much confidence. My proof? McGregor is the most beloved personality in MMA at the moment and he acts worse than Broner!
Why don't you compare the ratings Golovkin and Broner did on HBO?
Imagine if a black man did what Golovkin did. Fighting in a weak division for years and his best win is a guy who moved up two weight classes...
People would call him Bernard Hopkins.
black fighters just make it look easier, more graceful. people usually envy what they are overcritical about
takes rhythm, athleticism and grace to use the "urban" boxing style.
Willie pep fought in this manner, one of my favorite fighters, but you hardly hear or heard anyone degrade him because of his style and temperment, like Floyd, whitaker, jones etc who were all dominant, fun to watch, all time greats, but were considered boring lol
And that may be true. Problem is, being graceful, defensive, technical, etc doesnt equate to entertainment value for everyone. The average casual fan will tune out after 2 rounds of that style of fighting.
As far as RJJ and Whitaker, I've never seen anyone accuse them of being boring. Especially not RJJ. I've seen criticism of whitaker but even being a defensive fighter, he was quite entertaining to watch.
"White fighters" tend to have a more fan friendly, entertaining style compared to black fighters who take a more cautious, safety first approach to the sport and sometimes get overshadowed by their european counterparts.
black fighters just make it look easier, more graceful. people usually envy what they are overcritical about
takes rhythm, athleticism and grace to use the "urban" boxing style.
Willie pep fought in this manner, one of my favorite fighters, but you hardly hear or heard anyone degrade him because of his style and temperment, like Floyd, whitaker, jones etc who were all dominant, fun to watch, all time greats, but were considered boring lol
Conor McGregor assaults elderly women and beats people over bowling matches?
Ghetto people might not be able to tell the difference between a stage act and actually being trash but normal people can. That may be the piece of the puzzle you're missing.
Overhypedness happens when a large fanbase is thin on wins. "Great white hope" used to be the term when white americans watched boxing, but all the great white American boxers seemed to have retired.
Nowadays you see every black american fighter with even 1 decent win immediately hyped as "the next floyd", including a flop like broner, because it's a huge fanbase with a weak roster.
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"for example.....fighters like butterbean had a great following, imagine how much Hype Gatti would have had if he actually was as talented as De La Hoya or Mayweather."
^^^^^^^^
what do i need a comeback for?
The united states and other countries are run by white supremacist AND people with inferiority issues.
example....Canelo is a good fighter, one of the best in the world but if he was black, he'd just be another good fighter among many....the guy is a mexican, that looks like he came straight from europe...do you really have to wonder why he is a star? hell i have friends that thought he was white or from spain until i told them his background
like I said before....imagine how Hyped Gatti would have been if he had all time great talent....Graziano...Mcguigan as well...these dudes are in the hall of fame? for what? definitely not for what they accomplished....many site "social" influence and popularity.
if he fought like mayweather and had the talent of mayweather....he'd have been more beloved, even if he had the wanna be persona like Conor McGregor
terms like great white hope wasnt coined by blacks, mexicans, asians...it was coined by.......white people with inferiority complex
you cant handle the truth....get over it
Anyway. One thing I've noticed about this forum is the race divide. Is Racism really that much of an issue in boxing?
It is for me. I'm probably one of the more racist people you'd ever meet. I'm very pro-white fighter. Very, very pro-white fighter (and just white folks in general I guess). I'm from North Carolina. Rural North Carolina. We don't get many ethnics around here. I'm a big fan of Brian Sutherland, perhaps you've heard of him. Anyway it's rather challenging being racist in public these days, even in North Carolina, so these boards provide a safe haven for me to safely indulge in my racist ways.
"White fighters" tend to have a more fan friendly, entertaining style compared to black fighters who take a more cautious, safety first approach to the sport and sometimes get overshadowed by their european counterparts.
First post and I fully expect to get slaughtered.
First off - I know nothing about boxing and really have only started to appreciate it over the last few years. I've been reading these forums for about a year now but haven't posted as I have nothing constructive to add but like reading everyone elses opinion. Besides, everyone knows a lot more than me! First fight I ever really watched properly was Mayweather Jr vs Hatton in what I think was 2008?
Anyway. One thing I've noticed about this forum is the race divide. Is Racism really that much of an issue in boxing? seems to be almost tribal on these boards yet I never got that feeling when watching the matches on TV
Are white fighters more easily hyped? For example...
Imagine if Broner was white. People would respect him more, despite acting like a jerk, because it's bad for the white man's confidence to see a black man with so much confidence. My proof? McGregor is the most beloved personality in MMA at the moment and he acts worse than Broner!
Imagine if a black man did what Golovkin did. Fighting in a weak division for years and his best win is a guy who moved up two weight classes... People would say "he needs to prove himself!", "we don't know how good he is yet!", etc... My proof? Notice how white fans react to Joshua and Wilder, both knocking out lame opposition like Golovkin, but still not getting accepted. Joshua is actually fighting much better opposition now than Golovkin fought at that point in his career and Brook made Golovkin look lame. We don't know how good Golovkin is yet.
When a black man looks bad in a fight, like Ortiz in his last fight, people insist on him being exposed, just like they will say Wilder is exposed when he gets knocked out someday. Golovkin and Kovalev both looked absolutely horrible in their last fights. Golovkin got outboxed by Brook in the first two rounds and took too many punches, getting shaky legs (I should make a gif with that). But people start making excuses about it, lol. And Kovalev looked so amateurish against Chilemba, but it didn't keep white fans from insisting on him being able to KO Ward (who really is leagues above Chilemba).
There are countless of more examples, keep that in mind and think about it a bit before you base your answer on only the points I made above... The white fans need to start judging fighters by fair and objective criteria.
I think you're mistaking a casuals opinion to somebody who knows what they're talking about.
Joshua is currently the biggest hype job ever, that doesn't mean he isn't loved by the UK but his resume is awful, his biggest win is Dillian Whyte but he's adored by the whole country.
Golovkin is hyped but people who know what they're talking about wont forget to remind you his resume is also pretty **** and he hasn't fought any spectacular opposition.
Broner is a fool that's why people don't like him black or white, fool is fool.
And Ortiz recently fought somebody who continually ran away and didn't want to fight, he won one of the widest UD's I've ever seen so I don't really see the argument there...
Wilder is exposed and will get knocked out when he faces decent opposition, I just hope the same doesn't happen to Joshua :fingersx:
And they have to create another alt just to repeat the same thing. Seems they have alt factories.
These GGG detractors have a way of turning things around. It's like racists calling others racists. It's laughable.
Just imagine if GGG was black.
If you're good, and you're a minority in a sport then you're easier to hype. That works for everyone.
Example: Jeremy Lin, Serena Williams, Tiger Woods, Ichiro, Yao Ming etc.
Broner was one of the most hyped fighters in boxing history and he was only 24/25 at the time. We had so called "experts" labeling him the next great fighter. He imploded, failed to win the big one and has done **** since then.
McG has similar hype but he has also won most of his big fights and avenged his most high profile loss. There is night and day between those 2.