Pac-Vargas prelim buys estimated at 225-250K buys

Neither Top Rank, nor any other distributor, keeps the $10 HD fee. Absolutely incorrect. When HBO puts on event, the only money that gets split with anyone is the standard fee for the PPV event; the cable/satelite distributors gets their fee (generally about 40%), HBO takes their 7.5%, and the balance goes to the event promoter. The $10 HD fee goes somewhere, and you've yet to provided an example for where that money could possibly go, beyond saying, flatly, that I was simply wrong.

I heard Kathy Duva on the HBO boxing podcast saying she saw a facebook live stream of the Manny fight that had 170,000 viewers lol. I guess she was doing her homework to try to shut down some of that stuff for the Ward-Kovalev fight. That's where a lot of the buys of the past go now, illegal streaming

a source for where you got the initial satellite projections would be helpful. $60 per PPV (Top Rank, as the distributor, keeps the $10 HD fee) @250k PPV buys gets you to $15m in PPV revenue, or $8m once the cable/satellite distributors gets paid. $8m on the PPV, $4m on the gate, with the extra revenue streams (Vargas got $2.5m, Pacquiao got $4m) and Top Rank likely made a nice penny on the fight, with the number likely not getting anywhere near it needs to be for Arum to pay Pacquiao any more money. Neither Top Rank, nor any other distributor, keeps the $10 HD fee. Absolutely incorrect.

Thats a decent number for a PPV not on a major platform But its all tried and tested anyway, Pacquiao will draw whoever he fights (even if its not as much as he used to)

And how many times do we have to repeat boxing is dying? That sums it all up. And it won't get any better with the current crop of fighters today.

Not surprised at all. I thought it would do around 250K. This basically means that Kovalev and Ward will likely do less than 200K. Probably around Lemieux-GGG numbers of 150K.

No HBO no advertising what do you expect? Thats still a pretty good number for an independent PPV Arum should have just put the fight on Regular HBO like HBO asked of him, he didnt reach the 600k buys he was looking for Tyson when he was near his tail end like Pacquiao, did similar numbers, fading legends no longer generate money its sad reality of boxing. I think Tyson did like 150k buys for Mcbride or something. Anyway UFC has taken over the NY deal is the final nail in the coffin nobody give a chit about boxing after that boring ass Mayweather Pac fight, both guys just posing.

Agree with this too. I just feel like boxing could be better off without premium networks. Just make the fights available and affordable, and every weekend has the potential to have fight parties. The thing is, these promoters don't give a fk about the sport. They're only here for the money. So, as long as they're getting paid by doing whatever they're doing, they're just going to keep on doing it. If this type of crap pays them, they're gonna do it regardless.

Even if it was HBO you can't be asking for $70 for crap matchups especially after the Mayweather bullsh*t fight. And this goes for everyone out there like Canelo-Smith too. Streams are abundant nowadays. You ask for $70 for a bullsh*t fight and no one is gonna buy that sh*t. Agree with this too. I just feel like boxing could be better off without premium networks. Just make the fights available and affordable, and every weekend has the potential to have fight parties.

Agree, I don't mind PPVs, but if you're cutting out the middle man with HBO/SHO might as well make it cheaper, establish a market for that type of product and if it's profitable, offer and demand will take over maximizing profits for the company. Even if it was HBO you can't be asking for $70 for crap matchups especially after the Mayweather bullsh*t fight. And this goes for everyone out there like Canelo-Smith too. Streams are abundant nowadays. You ask for $70 for a bullsh*t fight and no one is gonna buy that sh*t.

This around 17M in revenue plus whatever the gate was

Pacquiao and Mayweather ERA is OVER people have moved on

They could have had videos of PAC beating up LGBT people to get the t@rds buying a crap fight.

I'm a Pacquiao fan but good. F*ck them. Maybe they'll get the idea and stop pricing bullsh*t fights at $70. Agree, I don't mind PPVs, but if you're cutting out the middle man with HBO/SHO might as well make it cheaper, establish a market for that type of product and if it's profitable, offer and demand will take over maximizing profits for the company.

I guess the question is, do these numbers negate the need to fight on hbo ppv? Is there incentive enough for Top Rank to produce their own Manny ppvs? Manny Pacquiao is no longer the draw that HBO felt compelled to have to deal with; you add that the only Top Rank fighter near the weight that HBO has any kind of interest in is "Bud" Crawford, and things will come down to how Crawford performs. If Crawford has a brilliant performance against John Molina Jr (think Floyd's utter distruction of Arturo Gatti), then HBO goes into the pocket to set the stage for Pacquiao-Crawford on PPV (for a chance to try to launch Crawford). If Crawford lays out a dud (safely boxing his way past Molina Jr, similar to the Postol performance), HBO doesn't likely have a matchup to bother with bringing Pacquiao back for, and Top Rank basically nickel and dimes things off of Pacquiao's bastion fanbase of 150k-200k PPV homes until Pacquiao hangs them up.

The final, real buy number for Pac-Bradley III was 300K. Pac-Vargas did significantly less. Based on satellite and telco buy numbers (which were available Wednesday), and some very preliminary estimates from a couple of cable systems, Pac-Vargas will not exceed 250K. Considering the lack of marketing support, I think 250K is a victory for Top Rank. Over/under on Top Rank's public estimate is 400K. a source for where you got the initial satellite projections would be helpful. $60 per PPV (Top Rank, as the distributor, keeps the $10 HD fee) @250k PPV buys gets you to $15m in PPV revenue, or $8m once the cable/satellite distributors gets paid. $8m on the PPV, $4m on the gate, with the extra revenue streams (Vargas got $2.5m, Pacquiao got $4m) and Top Rank likely made a nice penny on the fight, with the number likely not getting anywhere near it needs to be for Arum to pay Pacquiao any more money.

Source? Not that I wasn't expecting buys in that range. Sources were in the original post. Satellite, telco and cable companies.

And how many times do we have to repeat boxing is dying? This is not evidence that boxing is dying. This is evidence that boxing fans are smart enough to refuse to pay for an uninteresting mismatch that isn't marketed well. Coming into the fight, Pac had lost 3 of his last 7 fights, and his popularity has fallen significantly. Factor in that he was fighting a no-name, and you get 250K buys. Not a dying sport, but a fading star in a mismatch.

250-ish is about what I expected. And how much whiskey did Arum consume when he was speculating about 600K plus buys prior to the fight?

I guess the question is, do these numbers negate the need to fight on hbo ppv? Is there incentive enough for Top Rank to produce their own Manny ppvs?