If writers follow the Gatti clause, what current fighters make the hall?

lol at Ruslan....

The Fuk is a "Gatti Clause"?

I see your point,maybe I went a bit too far with Ruslan. I do agree though that a guy with an extensive career like Salido deserves to be in, and it wouldn't really be dilution because he fits in line with guys like Mancini,Chacon,and Gatti. Yeah for sure and boxing is a weird sport to have a criteria so it's more of a general feeling that you really can't back up unless it's a shoe in Like Mayweather , Manny , Bernard Because there is no real standard like awards, all star teams, Personal achievements like points scored or whatever , For me HOF means producing at a high level for a extended period of time. So I guess that would mean fighting top guys in and around your division for a long time. Not saying you have to win them all but to at least win some throughout your career not just the begining and be competitive throughout Salido has Ws or Questionable loses over Robert Guerrero ( PEDs though) Killed the Juamma hype (twice ) Loma Roman Martinez & F Vargas ( Think he beat them, He should actually have 2 straps right now ) Been in numerous fight if the year candidates Add in fights with Gamboa, Marquez & Mikey Garcia ( got his a.ss kicked but got dirty and started turning the tide ) To me you can make a case that he grinded out a HOF career for the work he's put in the last 10 years or so But It's all subjective in boxing like almost everything else in the sport

Every sports HOF has questionable entries I don't have a problem with Salido actually if he gets in But to dilute it to the point of having g Ruslan in is a joke. You might as well include Rosado on the list because he comes to fight. Why even have a HOF if the bar is so low that now youll get in the HOF if you came to fight and headlined a couple HBo/Showtime cards. By that standard John Molina should be in too. I see your point,maybe I went a bit too far with Ruslan. I do agree though that a guy with an extensive career like Salido deserves to be in, and it wouldn't really be dilution because he fits in line with guys like Mancini,Chacon,and Gatti.

The point is that they opened up Pandora's box when they selected Gatti. So right or wrong you can no longer use outdated criteria to keep guys his category out. The writers make it no longer about skill,so they have to stick to it. Besides Sylvester Stallone is already in. Every sports HOF has questionable entries I don't have a problem with Salido actually if he gets in But to dilute it to the point of having g Ruslan in is a joke. You might as well include Rosado on the list because he comes to fight. Why even have a HOF if the bar is so low that now youll get in the HOF if you came to fight and headlined a couple HBo/Showtime cards. By that standard John Molina should be in too.

I don't Gatti should be in HOF should be about being the best at your craft You want a special wing for guys that are entertaining fine, But to have Ruslan potentially next to Ali is a f.ucking disgrace It's like the NBA letting in guys that could dunk you got Jordan, Shaq , Russell and then you start letting Harold Miner, Cedric Cebballos , Dee Brown It defeats the whole purpose of a HOF The point is that they opened up Pandora's box when they selected Gatti. So right or wrong you can no longer use outdated criteria to keep guys his category out. The writers make it no longer about skill,so they have to stick to it. Besides Sylvester Stallone is already in.

You can do the same thing with Gatti. Who was his best win? The entire category is about entertainment not wins or loses. I don't Gatti should be in HOF should be about being the best at your craft You want a special wing for guys that are entertaining fine, But to have Ruslan potentially next to Ali is a f.ucking disgrace It's like the NBA letting in guys that could dunk you got Jordan, Shaq , Russell and then you start letting Harold Miner, Cedric Cebballos , Dee Brown It defeats the whole purpose of a HOF

maidana, salido, and provodnikov have been in great fights, but if you think they're in teh same realm as arturo gatti in terms of his ability to produce action you're nuts. he bled more than provodnikov. hit harder than maidana maidana was heavy handed. gatti had power. gatti would get hurt and busted up and still be able to come back. he did it so many times. there's never been a fighter that exciting. his management deserves a lot of credit for seeing his decline, eventually gettin him to work with a boxing first trainer, and letting him rebuild after he had hard years with lots of brutal fights. they basically prolonged the wild excitement. great matchmaking for an action fighter, too. some of the best ever, really. if you put him in there with floyd mayweather and oscar de la hoya he's going to get pounded. put him in there with micky ward and ivan robinson and he's in one of the best fights you're ever going to see. add in that he died under mysterious circumstances or committed suicide and it's no wonder that he is in the hall of fame. you guys probably don't understand just how exciting he was, and the kind of buzz that surrounded his fights on the networks. this wasn't a p4p star on ppv. the guy fought on regular HBO and filled up casinos. people watched him because of how he fought, not who he was and what kind of billing / title he had. they used to make fights, not fighters. gatti was a staple of that era, and he drew people to boxing. i watched gatti - ward 1 live on hbo, and i will literally never forget it. it totally changed the game for me. provodnikov, maidana, and salido are exciting fighters and deserve credit, but they don't deserve to be in the hall of fame. arturo gatti deserves to be in the hall of fame. ^^^This right here! Gatti was known for his grit and determination. He could get beat up, bloodied and battered, yet somehow still manage to dig deep down and pull a trick out of his hat that would change the whole fight. Were there other fighters out there with better skill sets? Of course, but very few had the kind of balls that Arturo Gatti had. That's why Jim Lampley & HBO boxing came up with the Gatti list; to recognize those who remind them of this boxing great. :beerchug:

I disagree about him being more skilled than Salido or Maidana. You can also say the same thing about chico's death as Gatti 's and he participated in what most consider to be the most entertaining fight of all time. He was not a first ballot hall of famer. Him being the most entertaining fighter of all time is both subjective and and unfair. Who's to say that a Katsidis wouldn't have been equally entertaining if matched carefully and backed by HBO win or loss. you can disagree with an objective reality if you would like :lol1:. gatti had a very good jab, good footwork, fast hands, punched with fluidity when he threw combinations. maidana and salido are much more workmanlike. less talent. better chins without a doubt, and maidana is much bigger, but not as physically talented or as skilled in terms of their boxing abilities.

gatti had much better boxing skills than madaian and salido. please watch the fights. i didn't say that he should get in because of how he died, i said that considering the timeliness of his death it is no wonder that people voted for him. i'd have voted for him on the right year if i had a hall of fame vote. he's widely considered the most entertaining boxer ever, and in the end that's why we watch the fights. I disagree about him being more skilled than Salido or Maidana. You can also say the same thing about chico's death as Gatti 's and he participated in what most consider to be the most entertaining fight of all time. He was not a first ballot hall of famer. Him being the most entertaining fighter of all time is both subjective and and unfair. Who's to say that a Katsidis wouldn't have been equally entertaining if matched carefully and backed by HBO win or loss.

Him dying from a tragedy, while being a very sad moment for boxing should have zero merit towards him getting in the hall. He is probably least skilled than all of the guys that I mentioned except for Provodnikov. Boxing is in a different space Katsidis/Gatti types are never going to be long term stars anymore. I just chose the guys that I felt most closely met the criteria. gatti had much better boxing skills than madaian and salido. please watch the fights. i didn't say that he should get in because of how he died, i said that considering the timeliness of his death it is no wonder that people voted for him. i'd have voted for him on the right year if i had a hall of fame vote. he's widely considered the most entertaining boxer ever, and in the end that's why we watch the fights.

maidana, salido, and provodnikov have been in great fights, but if you think they're in teh same realm as arturo gatti in terms of his ability to produce action you're nuts. he bled more than provodnikov. hit harder than maidana maidana was heavy handed. gatti had power. gatti would get hurt and busted up and still be able to come back. he did it so many times. there's never been a fighter that exciting. his management deserves a lot of credit for seeing his decline, eventually gettin him to work with a boxing first trainer, and letting him rebuild after he had hard years with lots of brutal fights. they basically prolonged the wild excitement. great matchmaking for an action fighter, too. some of the best ever, really. if you put him in there with floyd mayweather and oscar de la hoya he's going to get pounded. put him in there with micky ward and ivan robinson and he's in one of the best fights you're ever going to see. add in that he died under mysterious circumstances or committed suicide and it's no wonder that he is in the hall of fame. you guys probably don't understand just how exciting he was, and the kind of buzz that surrounded his fights on the networks. this wasn't a p4p star on ppv. the guy fought on regular HBO and filled up casinos. people watched him because of how he fought, not who he was and what kind of billing / title he had. they used to make fights, not fighters. gatti was a staple of that era, and he drew people to boxing. i watched gatti - ward 1 live on hbo, and i will literally never forget it. it totally changed the game for me. provodnikov, maidana, and salido are exciting fighters and deserve credit, but they don't deserve to be in the hall of fame. arturo gatti deserves to be in the hall of fame. Him dying from a tragedy, while being a very sad moment for boxing should have zero merit towards him getting in the hall. He is probably least skilled than all of the guys that I mentioned except for Provodnikov. Boxing is in a different space Katsidis/Gatti types are never going to be long term stars anymore. I just chose the guys that I felt most closely met the criteria.

Mayorga! Thoughts?

If Ruslan gets in the HOF, There's really no point in having a HOF What his best W, Alvarado and a close fight with Bradley ( Who will be in the HOF) You can do the same thing with Gatti. Who was his best win? The entire category is about entertainment not wins or loses.

If Ruslan gets in the HOF, There's really no point in having a HOF What his best W, Alvarado and a close fight with Bradley ( Who will be in the HOF)

maidana, salido, and provodnikov have been in great fights, but if you think they're in teh same realm as arturo gatti in terms of his ability to produce action you're nuts. he bled more than provodnikov. hit harder than maidana maidana was heavy handed. gatti had power. gatti would get hurt and busted up and still be able to come back. he did it so many times. there's never been a fighter that exciting. his management deserves a lot of credit for seeing his decline, eventually gettin him to work with a boxing first trainer, and letting him rebuild after he had hard years with lots of brutal fights. they basically prolonged the wild excitement. great matchmaking for an action fighter, too. some of the best ever, really. if you put him in there with floyd mayweather and oscar de la hoya he's going to get pounded. put him in there with micky ward and ivan robinson and he's in one of the best fights you're ever going to see. add in that he died under mysterious circumstances or committed suicide and it's no wonder that he is in the hall of fame. you guys probably don't understand just how exciting he was, and the kind of buzz that surrounded his fights on the networks. this wasn't a p4p star on ppv. the guy fought on regular HBO and filled up casinos. people watched him because of how he fought, not who he was and what kind of billing / title he had. they used to make fights, not fighters. gatti was a staple of that era, and he drew people to boxing. i watched gatti - ward 1 live on hbo, and i will literally never forget it. it totally changed the game for me. provodnikov, maidana, and salido are exciting fighters and deserve credit, but they don't deserve to be in the hall of fame. arturo gatti deserves to be in the hall of fame.