If Ward beats Krusher/GGG/Stevenson is he a ATG?

His current resume isn't worthy of ATG he is vastly overrated to fit the biased means of others place GGG around with Ward and you know the exact same people would change their tune they'd say Golovkin has fought weak one dimensional opponents like Froch etc and that Ward middleweight division is stacked he has a super fight coming up with Canelo and so and so on that is how it works for some of these people.

Sit down Earl Might not happen but you gotta admit it would be OG status fighting a heavy

Even if he only beats Kovalev from those 3, he already has Froch, Kessler, and a few others. His resume is very good already. His comeback hasn't been great or impressive but can't really knock it now he's fighting Kovalev. The only negative thing i can say about him was that he drained Dawson really bad. Ward was already a big SMW and could have met halfway at least. I would have liked to see Ward move up then and beat Dawson who was arguably the best at 175 at the time. Ward had already cleaned out 168, if he had gone up and beat Dawson i think it would have made a huge statement at the time but the fight gets forgotten about now. I think he would have beaten Dawson at any weight.

Seriously we need to define ATG. I personally consider it the top 10 of all time so no. ATG is such a lose term. HOF, yes, but he's been that for a while. I don't know if Ward is even top 50 all time on current resume but if he beat those three I think he'd be there. IMO to say otherwise is to disrespect all those sadly and mostly forgotten warriors of the past. One thing against Ward when his career is looked back on is that he will have points subtracted for his style and the way he beat Kessler.

If Abraham is part of your ticket to being an ATG then damn. If he beats those 3 then it helps his case more, but really, it's hard nowadays to truly be an ATG, especially if you don't have another ATG on your ledger. You gotta have a remarkable resume to be in that category and I don't see anybody on the horizon yet who will go on to accomplish those types of feats. If he beats those 3 then I agree with Larry - kinda borderline ATG but I disagree as I think, at least on some balloter's papers, he is already a first timer. Also as another poster said, it is difficult for modern fighters to become ATGs unless we all collectively agree to re-define what an ATG is. Not enough great boxers fighting Those that do fight only 1-2 times a year instead 3-5 times a year Not enough great athletes go into boxing anymore

Hes already probably an all time great to be honest. But those wins would put him up there for sure.

Yea he would be but lest get real he aint getting by Kovalev.

1st ballot HOFer only imo.

Seriously we need to define ATG. I personally consider it the top 10 of all time so no. ATG is such a lose term. HOF, yes, but he's been that for a while.

He got to be closing in on atg status with his current resume........thoughts..... Golovkin has yet to fight anyone to justify beating him being worth anything, imo. If Ward beats Kovalev, and then beats Stevenson, he'd be the light heavyweight kingpin, after being the super middleweight kingpin. He'd definitely be on his way to ATG status (Roy Jones Jr won world titles at 160/168/175 and heavyweight as basically an undefeated fighter, before falling off; that's the bar for Ward, imo).

Even if he beat those 3 he doesn't have a top 10 wins of an ATG. He would be a first ballot HOF. Now if he did some wild **** like move up to CW or even HW then we are having a different conversation.

Ward is the (Dwayne Wade), to LeBron and Mellow. The dudes probably already an atg. If he beats Kova it's cemented. When Pacman and Floyd were fighting no-hopers, Ward dominated one of the best, most talented divisions in boxing. If boxing fans kept it 100, his body of work compared to Floyd and Pacman's is superior at the time those 2 were on top of pfp lists.

If he did all those things he would be an all time great with room to spare. He is already highly respected. If he retired today he would likely be remembered as an all time great.

Most definitely. He's currently a bit shy of that in my book. A couple good wins would get him there but Kovalev is a great win, an undefeated top 4 P4P who has been dominant, if not altogether spooky.

So did Jean Pascal, Isaac Chilemba, Bernard Hopkins and many others. Whats your point? Do you question their hearts as well?

Yup and dont forget Ward already fought at Light Heavy in the amateurs, its not like Ward jumped up several weightclasses. He was champion at 168 against mostly smaller men and no he never cleaned out the division, holding 2 belts is not cleaning out a division. Let him beat Kovalev and beat a couple more good fighters like Beterbiev and Gvozdyk, then we can talk more. The last couple years have been abysmal for Ward. You just posted like Ward wasnt sh1t..why would this win matter?? who has he beaten?

To be honest i see Ward retiring come November, do you really think Ward can take a Loss like a Man? He pretty much has no heart and I doubt he will be able to rebuild himself. He will quit and be forgotten like he never existed. I don't know.... I don't think his heart is into it anymore, and I am sure he needs a payday.

He just signed to fight a man who killed someone in the ring................WTF??? So did Jean Pascal, Isaac Chilemba, Bernard Hopkins and many others. Whats your point?

If Abraham is part of your ticket to being an ATG then damn. If he beats those 3 then it helps his case more, but really, it's hard nowadays to truly be an ATG. You gotta have a remarkable resume to be in that category and I don't see anybody on the horizon yet who will go on to accomplish those types of feats. Yup and dont forget Ward already fought at Light Heavy in the amateurs, its not like Ward jumped up several weightclasses. He was champion at 168 against mostly smaller men and no he never cleaned out the division, holding 2 belts is not cleaning out a division. Let him beat Kovalev and beat a couple more good fighters like Beterbiev and Gvozdyk, then we can talk more. The last couple years have been abysmal for Ward.

If Abraham is part of your ticket to being an ATG then damn. If he beats those 3 then it helps his case more, but really, it's hard nowadays to truly be an ATG, especially if you don't have another ATG on your ledger. You gotta have a remarkable resume to be in that category and I don't see anybody on the horizon yet who will go on to accomplish those types of feats. I agree.................