To the casuals at least. I know it's the biggest and baddest fight to drool over in boxing right now but it's not that big of a fight from a casual stand point. As much as we hate to admit it they have all the power because the casuals bring in more money. Canelo can make decent money against anybody but he's not getting a big payday without GGG. If GGG said **** it and went up in weight to win belts at 168 before chasing Ward/Kovalev. Canelo would be **** out of luck for any big fight any time soon until Garcia/Spence/Thurman decided to move up. And even then Canelo won't be at 154 much longer. He doesn't even like making the weight there as it is.
A flat fee is straight up disrespectful to the one guy he can actually make a "semi" big fight against. It's not even guaranteed to do a million plus. It'll be more likely to do 500-750k. And he won't do anywhere close to those number against anybody else. If he wants to continue to build his name he needs to make the big fights without being disrespectful. He needs Triple G as much as GGG needs him.
Oscar doesn't want the fight to happen because GGG will probably knock Canelo out. There is nothing wrong with a flat fee if the flat fee is large enough. Oscar said the fee would be more than GGG ever made before so he probably means a few bucks more than GGG is making for the Brook fight. GGG should get paid as least as much as Khan was paid for fighting Canelo. The difference is Oscar knew Canelo would beat Khan so he wanted the fight. He wants people to believe he wants the fight to happen but he will make sure it won't happen by making GGG a very low dollar unfair offer.
Shut up.
No way GGG could fill the At&t stadium. Alvarez will do it fighting a complete nobody.
Time for you *****ass golovtards to come down to earth. Canelo still runs this **** and Golovkin better pay his respects if he wants to get paid.
Dumbasses.
UK fans will buy the fight because Smith is English. They are great fans and the sport is much bigger over there than it is here, SMith-Canelo will sell
I doubt it. It's on BoxNation which is a monthly subscription service so it's not like they can just buy the fight like a PPV. The only people in the UK that will be watching it here are the "hardcore boxing fans" (hate that term) that subscribe to boxnation.
Also, hardly anybody in the UK knows this fight is happening. With Liam Smith being a Warren fighter, it means he doesn't get that Sky exposure and that's what almost the whole country follow for their sports news. It's had almost no exposure here at all, and it hasn't helped that it's happening a week after Brook v GGG which is big here.
The viewing numbers here for this fight will be pretty low. It's also worth nothing that nobody here cares about Canelo, he's not a well known name outside of boxing fans and Liam Smith is not a big name either. If Smith was with Hearn with the Sky hype machine, he would be a much bigger name. His brother Callum is with Hearn and more people know about him than Liam, despite Liam holding world title (for what it's worth).
Manny and Floyd were real stars, no matter if you love or hate them. Canelo is not.
I do think Canelo is the A-side financially v Golovkin though, but not by the levels Golden Boy are making out.
While he's not near peak Floyd or Manny level star power wise -- he's a boxing superstar in this current era of boxing. He's probably the most profitable guy out there today, assuming Floyd remains retired.
Those anti gay comments messed with Mannys career. Major networks and promoters are hesitant to work with him now. It literally costed him MILLIONS!!!!
While those comments certainly didn't help matters, it's not the comments that sunk his star power. It was a combination of things. People have just simply lost interest. Fighting Tim Bradley over and over, getting KO'd in brutal fashion against JMM, fighting borderline B guys in Vargas, Algieri, and Rios (Rios actually is probably more accurately a C fighter in hindsight), and his utterly lackluster performance in the Floyd fight was the cherry on top of it all.
Honestly these networks can give two sh*ts about those comments so long as you can sell. Look at Floyd. The guy was/is a well known woman beater. Did that stop Showtime?
Bottom line is, if you can still bring in big numbers, the networks will always look the other way when it comes to your out of the ring f**k ups.
UK fans will buy the fight because Smith is English. They are great fans and the sport is much bigger over there than it is here, SMith-Canelo will sell
Half the problem is that Golden Boy and co are desperate for a star and trying to push Canelo as the "face of boxing", HBO want it too. They need it after losing Floyd to Showtime and Manny going all Westboro Baptist Church and on his way out anyway. The problem is that outside of boxing fans, he's just that ginger mexican that got schooled by Floyd. And plenty of boxing fans just think he's a ducker and his popularity seems to be declining.
Don't get me wrong, he does pretty good numbers and is a draw, but he's really not the SUPERSTAR they say, not even close. They're trying to force people to believe he is a superstar but it's not really clicking or working. Manny and Floyd were real stars, no matter if you love or hate them. Canelo is not.
I do think Canelo is the A-side financially v Golovkin though, but not by the levels Golden Boy are making out.
I totally agree and this is really my entire point. They want to act like Canelo is already on Floyd level but he's not. He won't do good numbers without a good opponent. He's a star but he's not a superstar. Floyd and Manny were superstars because they constantly fought some of the best fighters of their era and challenged themselves regularly by moving up in weight.
Making us wait while Canelo goes to fight Smith is what's completely wrong with boxing. It will bomb just like Floyd/Berto. Casuals aren't all that knowledgeable but they sure as hell aren't stupid. Canelo doesn't draw heat like Floyd which is why he needs to move up and try to do something spectacular like beat GGG who we all know is the man at 160. Thats what the fans want. If he does that it could help bring him out of the rep of just being "the ginger who lost to Floyd."
"Andrade, Charlo brothers, Cotto or Lara rematch, or any top 10-15 fighter at 160 and it would of been so much better."
Andrade and Charlo would have been fine(Andrade is pretty protected) but the other you mentioned he beat EASILY and Lara brings no money to the table. Smith is better than you give him credit for, he can box and has subtle power.
Smith is big in the UK. The fight will do well
"Manny going all Westboro Baptist Church and on his way out anyway"
Those anti gay comments messed with Mannys career. Major networks and promoters are hesitant to work with him now. It literally costed him MILLIONS!!!!
The fight is FINE relative to the **** PBC is putting together of late and the usual fights we have been getting this year. As fans, casual or not, we need to be grateful for even fights like smith-Canelo brook- GGG. Boxing is in shambles right now KIDO.
I don;t understand the criticism, oscar is selling a B fight which is DOING HIS JOB. What is the problem, with all these pessimistic posts???
Be grateful for Canelo/Smith? That has to be a joke lol Canelo could have literally fought almost anybody else and got more props. Andrade, Charlo brothers, Cotto or Lara rematch, or any top 10-15 fighter at 160 and it would of been so much better.
You got it wrong. Fights like Canelo/Smith are what's hurting boxing. I mean if it was on HBO that'd be fine but PPV? Really? Hardcore boxing fans barely even know who Smith is. Brook/GGG gets a pass IMO because Brook actually has a big UK fan base and the fight was made quickly after Eubank went all diva in the GGG negotiations.
I'm a GGG fan, I think it definitely does a million buys and I think if GGG gets offered 10 million he should take it for sure...5-6 million maybe not because PPV upside will be too much to pass up for that money...
It's by far the biggest money fight in the sport and nothing comes close...
Ward-Kovalev may be the best overall fight but that's not gonna do 1/3 the buys if I had to guess...
Canelo-Cotto didnt even break a million
Half the problem is that Golden Boy and co are desperate for a star and trying to push Canelo as the "face of boxing", HBO want it too. They need it after losing Floyd to Showtime and Manny going all Westboro Baptist Church and on his way out anyway. The problem is that outside of boxing fans, he's just that ginger mexican that got schooled by Floyd. And plenty of boxing fans just think he's a ducker and his popularity seems to be declining.
Don't get me wrong, he does pretty good numbers and is a draw, but he's really not the SUPERSTAR they say, not even close. They're trying to force people to believe he is a superstar but it's not really clicking or working. Manny and Floyd were real stars, no matter if you love or hate them. Canelo is not.
I do think Canelo is the A-side financially v Golovkin though, but not by the levels Golden Boy are making out.
I'm a GGG fan, I think it definitely does a million buys and I think if GGG gets offered 10 million he should take it for sure...5-6 million maybe not because PPV upside will be too much to pass up for that money...
It's by far the biggest money fight in the sport and nothing comes close...
Ward-Kovalev may be the best overall fight but that's not gonna do 1/3 the buys if I had to guess...
Cotto vs Canelo didn't even do a million and Cotto is a much bigger draw then GGG. I talk to a lot of casuals who are more UFC fans but would watch the Manny/Floyd fights and they know Cotto. But when I bring up Triple G they have no clue who that is. I'm not saying I know the whole world but it would do more overseas I would think then over here.
10-15 million would be fair. It just seems like Oscar is trying to low ball him.
The fight is FINE relative to the **** PBC is putting together of late and the usual fights we have been getting this year. As fans, casual or not, we need to be grateful for even fights like smith-Canelo brook- GGG. Boxing is in shambles right now KIDO.
I don;t understand the criticism, oscar is selling a B fight which is DOING HIS JOB. What is the problem, with all these pessimistic posts???
To the casuals at least. I know it's the biggest and baddest fight to drool over in boxing right now but it's not that big of a fight from a casual stand point. As much as we hate to admit it they have all the power because the casuals bring in more money. Canelo can make decent money against anybody but he's not getting a big payday without GGG. If GGG said **** it and went up in weight to win belts at 168 before chasing Ward/Kovalev. Canelo would be **** out of luck for any big fight any time soon until Garcia/Spence/Thurman decided to move up. And even then Canelo won't be at 154 much longer. He doesn't even like making the weight there as it is.
A flat fee is straight up disrespectful to the one guy he can actually make a "semi" big fight against. It's not even guaranteed to do a million plus. It'll be more likely to do 500-750k. And he won't do anywhere close to those number against anybody else. If he wants to continue to build his name he needs to make the big fights without being disrespectful. He needs Triple G as much as GGG needs him.
I'm a GGG fan, I think it definitely does a million buys and I think if GGG gets offered 10 million he should take it for sure...5-6 million maybe not because PPV upside will be too much to pass up for that money...
It's by far the biggest money fight in the sport and nothing comes close...
Ward-Kovalev may be the best overall fight but that's not gonna do 1/3 the buys if I had to guess...
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