Is boxing rec still fair and objective??lol

He actually did fight Hatton tho..so hey.. Not at 140. Moving the new #1 up to welterweight and fighting him doesn't count as beating the #1 at 140. Floyd never beat the #1 fighter at 140lb, therefor Floyd was never the man at 140lb. Live with it.

So either way, he still didnt fight the #1 in the division. The #1 challenger isn't the same as the #1 in the division. He actually did fight Hatton tho..so hey..

Look Floyds 1st fight at 140 was on 5-22-2004..Kosta did not return to fight until he fought Shamba Mitchell on 11-6-2004 Kosta lost to Hatton-6-4-2005..Floyd fought Gatti 6-25-2005..Ring had Hatton as Ring champ and Gatti ranked #1 So either way, he still didnt fight the #1 in the division. The #1 challenger isn't the same as the #1 in the division.

You're such an unbelievable loser. Azumah Nelson is like 12th on there. Holy shiet you're right. That's ****ing hysterical. AN being #12 is wayyy worse than Floyd being #1.

Coming back from injury or not Kostya was the #1, so you cant say Floyd beat the #1 by beating Gatti, everyone and their mom knows Kostya was #1 regardless of if he was out injured or not. Thats like if Floyd broke his hand and was out injured, and someone fought the next best guy and claimed they beat the #1 guy and moved on. They didn't Floyd was still the #1 guy, just like Kostya was still the #1 guy. Add to that Kostya was a dominant #1 and would have been the best win of Floyds career. ****, look what Hatton and his home town ref helping him beat Tszyu did for Hattons career. But someone how beating Gatti who was considered washed up before the gatti ward trilogy 3 years after the Gatti ward trilogy makes him the best fighter at 140. Meanwhile Kostya Tszyu was still the Ring Magazine Champion at 140. Look Floyds 1st fight at 140 was on 5-22-2004..Kosta did not return to fight until he fought Shamba Mitchell on 11-6-2004 Kosta lost to Hatton-6-4-2005..Floyd fought Gatti 6-25-2005..Ring had Hatton as Ring champ and Gatti ranked #1

When Floyd moved to 140.Kosta had just returned from injury, by the time Floyd fought Gatti, Hatton had beaten Kosta Coming back from injury or not Kostya was the #1, so you cant say Floyd beat the #1 by beating Gatti, everyone and their mom knows Kostya was #1 regardless of if he was out injured or not. Thats like if Floyd broke his hand and was out injured, and someone fought the next best guy and claimed they beat the #1 guy and moved on. They didn't Floyd was still the #1 guy, just like Kostya was still the #1 guy. Add to that Kostya was a dominant #1 and would have been the best win of Floyds career. ****, look what Hatton and his home town ref helping him beat Tszyu did for Hattons career. But someone how beating Gatti who was considered washed up before the gatti ward trilogy 3 years after the Gatti ward trilogy makes him the best fighter at 140. Meanwhile Kostya Tszyu was still the Ring Magazine Champion at 140.

Bruh :lol1: this thread got Larry and Blanco going at it.. Blanc, y u pickin' on these shot posters like Kev & Larry?

sometimes a guy has to switch up their game plan to suit the situation. i wouldnt rush to watch the may baldo ''fight'' if i were you. it was hit n move all night. with dlh vs tito, dlh got robbed. people think pac was robbed with timmy, this was worse. why is one fans boxing another fans ''running'' ? no, we didnt get the explosive hagler hearns affair. does that mean dlh couldnt fought any other way ? without using the same finger twice, i can count on one hand the number of combos tito landed. he was in pure headhunting mode regardless of him never landing. as for the ''running rds (8-12 ?), again, why not call it boxing ? ali did it for long stretches in his fights. and why give tito his only chance at winning (HA!) by letting him land a hail mary ? dlh, throught the entirety of the fight, did exactly what he wanted to do while tito was desperately trying to land. check punchstats/compubox. As to Tito v Oscar it's impossible for me to call literal running boxing. Gotta throw some punches. To say Oscar n that fright would be to say he sweept the First eight. Nope. Oscar did what he wanted to (avoid getting laid out) until he couldn't do any more. Then ran. One can't take another championship by not doing anything for 1/3 of the fight especially the championship rounds. So we have to disagree on this one. If Oscar did what Floyd did to Canelo then you would have a point. However all Oscar did was stay away jumped in and flurried then immediately jumped back out two to three times a round for the first eight rounds. The last for he just stayed away. You can call that boxing (first 8) but it's very low level boxing. It's certainly not "a boxing lesson" Oscar claimed he gave I didn't drink that kool aid. It was simply a lesson on how not to gktfo by Trinidad in which he did in fact excell. We can argue whether he lost or not but he certainly didn't win that fight.

Damn Larry, you are waaayyy late on this. They've had Floyd consistently rated as the best fighter of all tie for the past month or so.

lol..see how much you know about me..lmfao :rofl: You made a thread about it and begged people to buy insurance from you. Kind of hard to forget.

Lmaooooooo Phaggot, your life revolves around Floyd. If it wasn't for your daddy owning a life insurance company you'd be on the street begging for crack money. You have no impact on my life but I can still comment on how pathetic you are. People like you make me sick which is why I'll remind you of it constantly. lol..see how much you know about me..lmfao :fingersx: :popcorn:

Lmaooooooo Phaggot, your life revolves around Floyd. If it wasn't for your daddy owning a life insurance company you'd be on the street begging for crack money. You have no impact on my life but I can still comment on how pathetic you are. People like you make me sick which is why I'll remind you of it constantly. lol..see how much you know about me..lmfao

Let me help you out. You have two populations of "Floyd Evaluators". Those that focus on WHO Floyd fought and beat, regardless of when, and whether or not his opponent was close to his level Those who focus on WHEN Floyd fought particular fighters under the hindsight theory that he might have lost See, #2 is the issue and what gets on my nerves. AFTER Floyd makes easy work of certain fighters, even fighters that are still in the Top 10, even when they're fresh off dominant wins (Mosley), even when they're considered at least #2 (Pacquiao), even when they're at that moment the biggest perceived threat to Floyd (Canelo), even when they're the #1 contender (Guerrero)....it doesn't matter to these people. They'll make excuses because they have the benefit of hindsight. They're saying "who cares that you lost, it was to an ATG, so that's better than not facing said ATG at the peak of their career". These are the same people who blatantly ignore Floyd's rise, and his damaged hands as the reason he changed styles. Same reason Hearns changed styles, BTW. Hearns wasn't always a KO artist - he turned into basically Floyd Mayweather at the latter part of his career because of his hands, and frankly, a much better fighter who was able to evade and even take punches much better than when he was swinging for the fences. Don't see anybody criticizing that change. Is Floyd #1 all time? I don't know. It depends on your criteria. I say no - simply because he doesn't have enough fights to consider it, in my opinion, win/lose/draw. You've got guys who have over 100 fights with very few losses to compare against. I think Floyd "changed styles" due to his moving up in weight more so than protecting his hands. His power was lessened as he moved up. At the lower weights he was the bigger and stronger man generally. Moving on up that dynamic changed because Floyd isnt naturally a big guy. His opponent were stronger and tougher to ko so he changed to a primary defensive oreintation. If Floyd perceived weakness he would drop bombs. See hatton, Marquez and Ortiz.

garbage fight but... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSOlQvoR1IU Thanks for posting the fight highlights. Looks like classic Floyd to me. No running like Oscar did from Trinidad. But I didn't watch the whole fight. I'll put it on my agenda.

Naw just confirms how small i make you feel..you cry everytime i post.. i own your b1tch ass..you go to sleep balled up in a corner crying thinking about me dont you??? fvcking peasant Lmaooooooo Phaggot, your life revolves around Floyd. If it wasn't for your daddy owning a life insurance company you'd be on the street begging for crack money. You have no impact on my life but I can still comment on how pathetic you are. People like you make me sick which is why I'll remind you of it constantly.

I remember it, but for you to carry it on is pathetic. Just confirms what a massive loser you are. Naw just confirms how small i make you feel..you cry everytime i post.. i own your b1tch ass..you go to sleep balled up in a corner crying thinking about me dont you??? fvcking peasant

Canelo still ranked number 1 on their current pound for pound list~ Boxrec does a decent job with current division rankings because that limits the variables in the equation. Going back in time and or across multiple weight classes their lists have problems because rating boxers is qualitative not quantitative. Math equations are great for quantitative analysis which work great for numbers based sport like baseball where every number is earned or basketball to a lesser extent because there are a lot of cheap stats in basketball. What number can you use in boxing to base any formula off? wins, scores (LOL), punch stats? So how can you make an equation to measure anything. Although I will admit boxrec has done a good job with it because like I said their division rankings aren't that bad and it is a different way of exploring ranking boxers.

I guess you are missing the entire point of this thread..lol I remember it, but for you to carry it on is pathetic. Just confirms what a massive loser you are.

You're such an unbelievable loser. Azumah Nelson is like 12th on there. I guess you are missing the entire point of this thread..lol

At 140 Kostya Tszyu was the man and everyone knew it... When Floyd moved to 140.Kosta had just returned from injury, by the time Floyd fought Gatti, Hatton had beaten Kosta