Let's be honest here....Manny took human growth hormone right?...Reasonable debate.

If his country was known for producing this type of talent I wouldnt be as suspicious, but look across the board now. None at the top beside Donaire who himself was a hypejob riding the coat tails of 48's success. The same in the early 00's. Same as the 90's. Same as the 80's. Same as the 70's. None of his countrymen at the top. And certainly none over 126 lbs. I dont believe he is a special athlete. IMO without PEDs we wouldnt be having these conversations about #48. Philippines had Pancho Villa, Ceferino Garcia, Flash Elorde, etc... Philippines is the only country that Spain couldn't completely conquer because of their fierce Muslim warriors. These Muslim warriors are the reason why America invented the 45. caliber pistol because the 38. pistol couldn't stop them. One Muslim chief took 33 bullets before they stopped him.

Ha ha this gets better and better. I actually decided to look through some of these Filipino champions as some I knew, but not others, and look what I found: CEFERINO "BOLO PUNCH" GARCIA World Middleweight Champion Oct 2, 1939 - May 23, 1940 He was the heaviest Filipino ever who became a world-boxing champion, known for the "bolo punch" which he originated. He captured the world middleweight title on October 2, 1939 when he knocked out Fred Apostoli in the 7th round with a single "bolo" punch in New York City. He defended his crown against top rivals twice (Americans Glen Lee and Henry Armstrong). He was born in 1912 and grew up in Tondo, Manila. In 1977, Ceferino Garcia was inducted into the Ring Magazine Hall of Fame and into the World Boxing Hall of Fame in 1981. Yes so not only was there a Filipino middleweight champion, but he won it when there was only one champion, in a massively competitive era where he fought Henry Armstrong twice losing their first fight and getting a draw in the second. Not only that but he is in the HOF, and it doesn't end there, he invented the "bolo punch" and knocked his opponent out with it to win the middleweight title. /game over Game over? The game changer you bring to the table is from the 1940's? As if bringing up something that was an anomaly in the the 40's somehow significant today. :bottle: LMFAO, take this L and stit the **** down already bud. Youre now spouting random useless bull**** to me, thinking that this somehow steers this in your favor. Im sorry but youre just too ****ing stupid to deal with anymore.

Resorting to name calling like a little boy? Why stop there? Why not call big brother lmao :bottle: I fail to see how it is unreasonable to suspect PEDs under the conditions I have outlined. Turning out stellar success, from an area where there has been little to none in 60 or so years is questionable. To just be so willing to attribute this to an anomaly proves how willingly gullible you are especially in the PED age. You already lost whatever the hell youre trying to convey bringiing all these irrelevant things into this non-debate when im just talking one thing: boxing. Yao MIng? Panama? Bob Fitzimmons? John Ruiz is Mexican? Boy, you dont know what the f.uck youre talking about :bottle: Ha ha this gets better and better. I actually decided to look through some of these Filipino champions as some I knew, but not others, and look what I found: CEFERINO "BOLO PUNCH" GARCIA World Middleweight Champion Oct 2, 1939 - May 23, 1940 He was the heaviest Filipino ever who became a world-boxing champion, known for the "bolo punch" which he originated. He captured the world middleweight title on October 2, 1939 when he knocked out Fred Apostoli in the 7th round with a single "bolo" punch in New York City. He defended his crown against top rivals twice (Americans Glen Lee and Henry Armstrong). He was born in 1912 and grew up in Tondo, Manila. In 1977, Ceferino Garcia was inducted into the Ring Magazine Hall of Fame and into the World Boxing Hall of Fame in 1981. Yes so not only was there a Filipino middleweight champion, but he won it when there was only one champion, in a massively competitive era where he fought Henry Armstrong twice losing their first fight and getting a draw in the second. Not only that but he is in the HOF, and it doesn't end there, he invented the "bolo punch" and knocked his opponent out with it to win the middleweight title. /game over

Resorting to name calling like a little boy? Why stop there? Why not call big brother lmao :bottle: I fail to see how it is unreasonable to suspect PEDs under the conditions I have outlined. Turning out stellar success, from an area where there has been little to none in 60 or so years is questionable. To just be so willing to attribute this to an anomaly proves how willingly gullible you are especially in the PED age. You already lost whatever the hell youre trying to convey bringiing all these irrelevant things into this non-debate when im just talking one thing: boxing. Yao MIng? Panama? Bob Fitzimmons? John Ruiz is Mexican? Boy, you dont know what the f.uck youre talking about :bottle: Little to no success in 60 years? LOL - how can you claim that without any facts to support it. The Philippines first ever world champion was in 1923, for the record if you are as numerically challenged as you are illiterate then that was 93 years ago. He was the first of many. The problem is that one thing (boxing) you want to talk about...you don't have a clue about it. Here learn something, and until you do please don't come back to this thread. http://philboxing.com/boxers/former.world.champions.php

You have to be one of the most ignorant dizzy mfer's I have come across on here for a while. The world champions list is easily accessible online, please look it up yourself I am not going to do it for you. Also stop moving the goal posts in the debate, first you say this is a country with very little boxing pedigree, now that has disproven you say its a country who only has pedigree up to a certain weight. I can tell you that there are a few guys besides Manny that have had titles at 140 or above, so again you are wrong. Of course they are more prominent in the lower weight classes, that could be said of a lot of countries. You know how I know you are as ignorant as it gets? Because you are ignoring the basis of my comparison with Mexico and the Philippines. So I will repeat myself one last time, hopefully you will understand, I am not comparing their status in professional boxing, I am not saying they are on the same level or even in the same stratosphere, I am saying that they both have some things in common in the way that fighters are developed, relatively they both produce much more success in the pro game than amateur, one of your initial arguments was that the Philippines don't produce top class amateurs and lots of Filipino fighters don't have pedigree from the beginning of their career and I countered that with the fact that most of them go pro early, and because of that they tend to learn on the job and have a penchant for developing later. Which is pretty similar to Mexico, only difference is that Mexico has better trainers, they have greater numbers, boxing is more apart of their culture and history, so they have much more competition, thus greater success and they are more ready once they come to the US or major networks to compete. You know that if a young fighters comes from Mexico with an undefeated record and a reputation, that he is going to be good. You can't say the same about a filipino fighter, but the filipino fighter may have potential to be. Either way both countries tend to push young fighters to enter the pro game early rather than get a proper amateur education, Gerry Penalosa, Manny Pacquiao, Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales all went pro at either 16 or 17, and went on to become multiple world champions. That is where they are similar, Mexico just do it at a far greater frequency and with more success. Either way dismissing anyone because of what country they come from, and jumping to the conclusion that they must be on PED's is braindead. That is literally a braindead argument, and quite frankly I feel sorry for you as a human being with such a narrow minded perspective. One of the beauties of boxing is that there aren't a lot of barriers to participation, thus why extremely poor countries are able to produce fighters. There are so many examples of one off's or a few gems from different countries down the years that your argument has no validity whatsoever. It is not fact based at all, I have always come back at you with facts based arguments, your argument is speculation, ignorance, and comes across as downright prejudice. I guess based on your way of thinking that Yao Ming is on PED's, because the average height of Men in China is 5f 7in. John Ruiz must have been on PED's because Mexican's don't produce heavyweights. Or Mikkel Kessler was on PED's because he is from Denmark. Roberto Duran, and Eusebio Pedroza - massive red flag both from Panama, not to mention Duran went to Super Middleweight. The best thing about our sport is that the next Mike Tyson, Azumah Nelson, Bob Fitzsimmons, Carlos Monzon, Lennox Lewis, Felix Trinidad, Lomachenko, can be born in any country or continent anywhere in the world (and those guys all were). There aren't many if any other sports you can say that about, and I'll be damned if I let you say otherwise. Resorting to name calling like a little boy? Why stop there? Why not call big brother lmao :bottle: I fail to see how it is unreasonable to suspect PEDs under the conditions I have outlined. Turning out stellar success, from an area where there has been little to none in 60 or so years is questionable. To just be so willing to attribute this to an anomaly proves how willingly gullible you are especially in the PED age. You already lost whatever the hell youre trying to convey bringiing all these irrelevant things into this non-debate when im just talking one thing: boxing. Yao MIng? Panama? Bob Fitzimmons? John Ruiz is Mexican? Boy, you dont know what the f.uck youre talking about :bottle:

the Pac brigade getting ethered ala IV Master Greedance Saltwater Revival thread salt water is the new epson salt you know.....thanks manny :boxing:

"I've never known a man who turned down 20 million dollar drug test" Floyd. NUFF SAID thats how I felt in 2009...thats how i felt in 2016....simple

Projecting what? I'm not Pinoy, nor asian. It's you that's projecting here, you mean to tell me if Pac was juicing no one else was? :lol1: you made the initial insinuation Pac was likely juicing because he doesn't come from a country known for producing top level athletes.... but forgot to mention boxing is a niche sport that few care about and has been so for quite some time now. Mexicans aren't particularly athletic or prominent in sports other than lower weight boxing. :bottle: "Projecting what? blah blah blah WHat about Mexico?" :bottle:

What was Manny doing PRP and who gave it? Manny's doctor did and confirmed that Manny was injured. Roach and arum have two different dates - approximately two weeks apart - as to when manny supposedly injured his arm in training camp. So when did he start the prp treatments? For how long? How many injections? What did the MRI show? Why not just simply rest the arm like arum has claimed they've done since 2008 before starting treatment? Why didn't manny rest his arm AFTER getting treatments? Bottom line - there are so many lies coming from their camp who knows what the intent was. Lidocaine, toradol, celstone and PRP for an undisclosed injury that no one knows for certain when it happened that manny supposedly reinjured but never showed signs of during the fight - oh yeah and a surgery performed that AMAZINGLY didn't require rehab to heal. Amusingly highly suspicious. But not to a pact@rd. A vampire facial is considered blood doping though. Smh. Now your turn. Get me Floyd's doctor for the vampire facial joke and the IV scandal? Oh wait, they are both in hiding. Maybe the good Dr ariza performed the vampire facial along with signing off on the tue for the iv. Goofball. So it's cheating because you don't know who performed a cosmetic procedure? But with all the lies surrounding mannys injury - his intended use of prp blood spinning for God knows how many times is legitimate? Floyd had side effects and couldn't hide it. Floyd said it's taken like a month to heal. Indicates the injections were performed about a month ago in the facial area. Do you know how blood doping works? Pact@rd. You should look it up. Let me know who would be dumb enough to get PRP on the eyes just before training for a fight? See, it does not make any sense!!! So how is this blood doping? A cosmetic procedure that Kim Kardashian made famous. Usually heals in a couple of days. Maybe it was a bad decision to do before training, and maybe that's why it didn't heal like it should of. Maybe really spence did give him a black eye. So ****ing what. The point is this. Pact@rds claimed Floyd abused lidocaine and prp leading up to the fight.....only to read the same Lidocaine and prp treatments listed on manny pacquiao pre fight form. And now you are left defending your hero against the same very same accusations you've leveled against floyd. Stupid pact@rd.

You know how I know youre full of ****? You keep trying to compare Mexico with Phillipines. One is a know boxing powerouse country and the other isnt. Please cite your source for these 39 champions they have im curious to what era this was/ weight classes these are in. I have a feeling you will only further prove my point - they dont do well above a certain weight and past that weight it should be a red flag for PEDs. Also, thank you for proving that Hungary is much more of a candidate for producing top P4P talent than the Phillipines. The fact that they havent, but that Island has... you have to be living with your head up your ass. Im sure you voted for Brexit too ? LMAO /thread PS - Just in case you hadn't noticed, I am the thread starter. I am of the belief that Manny Pacquiao TOOK Ped's but your reasoning and perspective is foolish.

You know how I know youre full of ****? You keep trying to compare Mexico with Phillipines. One is a know boxing powerouse country and the other isnt. Please cite your source for these 39 champions they have im curious to what era this was/ weight classes these are in. I have a feeling you will only further prove my point - they dont do well above a certain weight and past that weight it should be a red flag for PEDs. Also, thank you for proving that Hungary is much more of a candidate for producing top P4P talent than the Phillipines. The fact that they havent, but that Island has... you have to be living with your head up your ass. Im sure you voted for Brexit too ? LMAO /thread You have to be one of the most ignorant dizzy mfer's I have come across on here for a while. The world champions list is easily accessible online, please look it up yourself I am not going to do it for you. Also stop moving the goal posts in the debate, first you say this is a country with very little boxing pedigree, now that has disproven you say its a country who only has pedigree up to a certain weight. I can tell you that there are a few guys besides Manny that have had titles at 140 or above, so again you are wrong. Of course they are more prominent in the lower weight classes, that could be said of a lot of countries. You know how I know you are as ignorant as it gets? Because you are ignoring the basis of my comparison with Mexico and the Philippines. So I will repeat myself one last time, hopefully you will understand, I am not comparing their status in professional boxing, I am not saying they are on the same level or even in the same stratosphere, I am saying that they both have some things in common in the way that fighters are developed, relatively they both produce much more success in the pro game than amateur, one of your initial arguments was that the Philippines don't produce top class amateurs and lots of Filipino fighters don't have pedigree from the beginning of their career and I countered that with the fact that most of them go pro early, and because of that they tend to learn on the job and have a penchant for developing later. Which is pretty similar to Mexico, only difference is that Mexico has better trainers, they have greater numbers, boxing is more apart of their culture and history, so they have much more competition, thus greater success and they are more ready once they come to the US or major networks to compete. You know that if a young fighters comes from Mexico with an undefeated record and a reputation, that he is going to be good. You can't say the same about a filipino fighter, but the filipino fighter may have potential to be. Either way both countries tend to push young fighters to enter the pro game early rather than get a proper amateur education, Gerry Penalosa, Manny Pacquiao, Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales all went pro at either 16 or 17, and went on to become multiple world champions. That is where they are similar, Mexico just do it at a far greater frequency and with more success. Either way dismissing anyone because of what country they come from, and jumping to the conclusion that they must be on PED's is braindead. That is literally a braindead argument, and quite frankly I feel sorry for you as a human being with such a narrow minded perspective. One of the beauties of boxing is that there aren't a lot of barriers to participation, thus why extremely poor countries are able to produce fighters. There are so many examples of one off's or a few gems from different countries down the years that your argument has no validity whatsoever. It is not fact based at all, I have always come back at you with facts based arguments, your argument is speculation, ignorance, and comes across as downright prejudice. I guess based on your way of thinking that Yao Ming is on PED's, because the average height of Men in China is 5f 7in. John Ruiz must have been on PED's because Mexican's don't produce heavyweights. Or Mikkel Kessler was on PED's because he is from Denmark. Roberto Duran, and Eusebio Pedroza - massive red flag both from Panama, not to mention Duran went to Super Middleweight. The best thing about our sport is that the next Mike Tyson, Azumah Nelson, Bob Fitzsimmons, Carlos Monzon, Lennox Lewis, Felix Trinidad, Lomachenko, can be born in any country or continent anywhere in the world (and those guys all were). There aren't many if any other sports you can say that about, and I'll be damned if I let you say otherwise.

youre projecting, boy. Its 2016. Anomalies in sports? PEDS. PEDs is the word youre looking for, not anomaly. Nice try with the 'what about Mexico' angle, albeit laughable. Projecting what? I'm not Pinoy, nor asian. It's you that's projecting here, you mean to tell me if Pac was juicing no one else was? :lol1: you made the initial insinuation Pac was likely juicing because he doesn't come from a country known for producing top level athletes.... but forgot to mention boxing is a niche sport that few care about and has been so for quite some time now. Mexicans aren't particularly athletic or prominent in sports other than lower weight boxing. :bottle:

Look up the word anomaly. Are we going to suspect every successful athlete who comes from a country not renowned for sporting success? You're argument is essentially that you think asians are genetically inferior so there's no way one could be a p4p star. Boxing is a niche sport anyway, it's not like Mexicans dominate any sports anyone gives a damn about, other than the lower weights of boxing. :bottle: youre projecting, boy. Its 2016. Anomalies in sports? PEDS. PEDs is the word youre looking for, not anomaly. Nice try with the 'what about Mexico' angle, albeit laughable.

Clown? Are you looking in the mirror again? Make me teach you something. While the urine collector was there for Lance Armstrong to collect samples, they distracted him enough to smuggle and use an IV to mask his PEDs on multiple occassions. For Floyd they did it out in the open and they fell for it!!! Nobody else would have been allowed to do what Floyd did. At least not one that has admitted to making weight easily and has had his weight stable for a decade. For Floyd, the urine collector had to wait about 6 hours to get the urine. That could have been enough of a time delay to throw off the test but then to make things worse, the urine collector also watched Floyd use 750ml IV that according to USADA and WADA it can be used to mask PEDs. Partial sample: Who was handling the sample? DCO? Floyd's team? If it was the DCO then what happened when he was pulled away from either the urine sample or Floyd or both!!! If it was Floyd's team, lol, good luck! On top of that, there was 6 hours delay. Lots can happen during that time with the "partial sample". Furthermore, it was mixed with the urine given afterwards. Whooaa!!! TUE was for the prohibited method: You like to deflect. Floyd used the prohibited method way before he received any kind of approval. Approval came way after the fight. Well, that was the least USADA can do for all the money they got from Floyd's reps. As for your statement that he would not be allowed if it was a positive test for a prohibited substance, well, that was the reason they got to use the IV. There is no other explanation because Floyd was at most very mildly dehydrated. That was corrected after the weigh in after he drank about 600ml. According to studies, USADA and WADA, it would have brought Floyd to a FULLY REHYDRATED STATE!!! USADA allowed all that to happen. WADA: If you read WADA, for mild dehydration, it states that one must drink orally not use an IV. At least for one that was at most mildly dehydrated(which is actually a stretch - continue reading). At the time of the IV, Floyd was not even mildly dehydtrated since he drank enough already to FULLY REHYDRATE his body!!!! YES, USADA was in Floyd's back pocket: a) Both Floyd and Manny did not let the NSAC know about their condition. USADA protected Floyd but threw Manny under the bus! b) THINK! Why did Lance Armstrong and others have to go thru hoops if they had agencies such as the UCI and many others in their back pocket? :smashfrea c) Here is USADA statement: "I don't know how closely you've followed our investigation into cycling, but you saw it used a lot in cycling. Because, putting a bag of saline over 50 ml, for example is the rule, would potentially mask or alter the blood testing that was done." - Travis Tygart, CEO of USADA: I see I'm touching a nerve :lol1: FACT: Floyd used the banned method way before he had USADA come to the rescue. FACT: Floyd is the only boxer to have received a retroactive TUE where his weight was relatively stable for a decade (Floyd's words) and where he showed no clinical signs (pulse, BP, ....) of being dehydrated as per NSAC examination and that it was not even after a grueling activity and where Floyd admitted to making weight EASILY. Plus, Floyd never told the NSAC about his serious medical condition. If you check out Manny's situation, Floyd's fans were all in agreement that Manny should have let the NSAC know about his medical condition .... but not Floyd? WHOAAAA!!! "Retro TUEs are not handed out like candy" - Victor Conte ... but that seems to be the case for Floyd. Also, WADA clarified “the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild re-hydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature.” Also, WADA "WADA has clarified that the use of IV infusions to treat mild dehydration or simply accelerate recovery IS NOT an acceptable medical use of IVs in sport." https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/09/8f/44/098f44a5d9e2f8e0ea009584e9028dfc.jpg This is not about Floyd you muppet, if you want to discuss him make another thread. Otherwise stick to the topic...in fact too late for you, your out.

Pac started juicing after he got his ass kicked by morales.

“I don’t get it,” Conte says. “There are strict criteria for the granting of a TUE. You don’t hand them out like Halloween candy. And this sort of IV use is clearly against the rules. Also, from a medical point of view, if they’re administering what they said they did, it doesn’t make sense to me. There are more effective ways to rehydrate. If you drank ice-cold Celtic seawater, you’d have far greater benefits. It’s very suspicious to me. I can tell you that IV drugs clear an athlete’s system more quickly than drugs that are administered by subcutaneous injection. So why did USADA make this decision? Why did they grant something that’s prohibited? In my view, that’s something federal law enforcement officials should be asking Travis Tygart.” - Victor Conte :lol1: Try adding the above to your video. Oh, look what we have here. Victor Conte shooting down Floyd, USADA and their shady testing .....

Clown? Are you looking in the mirror again? Make me teach you something. While the urine collector was there for Lance Armstrong to collect samples, they distracted him enough to smuggle and use an IV to mask his PEDs on multiple occassions. For Floyd they did it out in the open and they fell for it!!! Nobody else would have been allowed to do what Floyd did. At least not one that has admitted to making weight easily and has had his weight stable for a decade. For Floyd, the urine collector had to wait about 6 hours to get the urine. That could have been enough of a time delay to throw off the test but then to make things worse, the urine collector also watched Floyd use 750ml IV that according to USADA and WADA it can be used to mask PEDs. Partial sample: Who was handling the sample? DCO? Floyd's team? If it was the DCO then what happened when he was pulled away from either the urine sample or Floyd or both!!! If it was Floyd's team, lol, good luck! On top of that, there was 6 hours delay. Lots can happen during that time with the "partial sample". Furthermore, it was mixed with the urine given afterwards. Whooaa!!! TUE was for the prohibited method: You like to deflect. Floyd used the prohibited method way before he received any kind of approval. Approval came way after the fight. Well, that was the least USADA can do for all the money they got from Floyd's reps. As for your statement that he would not be allowed if it was a positive test for a prohibited substance, well, that was the reason they got to use the IV. There is no other explanation because Floyd was at most very mildly dehydrated. That was corrected after the weigh in after he drank about 600ml. According to studies, USADA and WADA, it would have brought Floyd to a FULLY REHYDRATED STATE!!! USADA allowed all that to happen. WADA: If you read WADA, for mild dehydration, it states that one must drink orally not use an IV. At least for one that was at most mildly dehydrated(which is actually a stretch - continue reading). At the time of the IV, Floyd was not even mildly dehydtrated since he drank enough already to FULLY REHYDRATE his body!!!! YES, USADA was in Floyd's back pocket: a) Both Floyd and Manny did not let the NSAC know about their condition. USADA protected Floyd but threw Manny under the bus! b) THINK! Why did Lance Armstrong and others have to go thru hoops if they had agencies such as the UCI and many others in their back pocket? :smashfrea c) Here is USADA statement: "I don't know how closely you've followed our investigation into cycling, but you saw it used a lot in cycling. Because, putting a bag of saline over 50 ml, for example is the rule, would potentially mask or alter the blood testing that was done." - Travis Tygart, CEO of USADA: I see I'm touching a nerve :lol1: FACT: Floyd used the banned method way before he had USADA come to the rescue. FACT: Floyd is the only boxer to have received a retroactive TUE where his weight was relatively stable for a decade (Floyd's words) and where he showed no clinical signs (pulse, BP, ....) of being dehydrated as per NSAC examination and that it was not even after a grueling activity and where Floyd admitted to making weight EASILY. Plus, Floyd never told the NSAC about his serious medical condition. If you check out Manny's situation, Floyd's fans were all in agreement that Manny should have .... but not Floyd? WHOAAAA!!! "Retro TUEs are not handed out like candy" - Victor Conte ... but that seems to be the case for Floyd. Also, WADA clarified “the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild re-hydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature.” Also, WADA "WADA has clarified that the use of IV infusions to treat mild dehydration or simply accelerate recovery IS NOT an acceptable medical use of IVs in sport." https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/09/8f/44/098f44a5d9e2f8e0ea009584e9028dfc.jpg Please explain why Wada , who has the authority to do so, has not reversed the USADA approved Tue. Stupid pact@rd.

“I don’t get it,” Conte says. “There are strict criteria for the granting of a TUE. You don’t hand them out like Halloween candy. And this sort of IV use is clearly against the rules. Also, from a medical point of view, if they’re administering what they said they did, it doesn’t make sense to me. There are more effective ways to rehydrate. If you drank ice-cold Celtic seawater, you’d have far greater benefits. It’s very suspicious to me. I can tell you that IV drugs clear an athlete’s system more quickly than drugs that are administered by subcutaneous injection. So why did USADA make this decision? Why did they grant something that’s prohibited? In my view, that’s something federal law enforcement officials should be asking Travis Tygart.” - Victor Conte :lol1: Try adding the above to your video. as requested.. above the video! I see you have no courage to do that to your hero Floyd. That is called double talk ..... :kiss:

Such a scandal and fiasco that everyone is still talking about it. And by everyone I mean the Pacroaches....who can't deal with their loss. You should learn something. Allow me to teach you. The doping control agent doesn't have to be a doctor. He/She is there to follow the guy around and make sure he doesn't do anything fishy, amongst other duties. A partial sample was taken from before the IV, and a sample was taken after the IV. The samples are then tested. If there is a failure, the TUE would not hold up. Again, HE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO TEST POSITIVE FOR ANY BANNED SUBSTANCE EVEN IF THE TUE IS GRANTED BECAUSE THE TUE WAS GRANTED FOR A PROHIBITED METHOD, NOT A PROHIBITED SUBSTANCE! This is WADA's procedure, but maybe you'd like to go and tell the scientists at WADA that they aren't doing their jobs correctly? You are still on this bs saying that USADA was in Mayweather's pocket, yet you still can't explain: 1. Why did Mayweather have to use an IV if USADA was in his pocket? 2. Why did Mayweather need a TUE if USADA was in his pocket? Sure, let's both do something illegal and make a paper-trail of it. That would make things interesting! :smashfrea 3. Why was the TUE revealed if USADA was in his pocket? Let's draw attention to the paper trail of medical records that we falsified. LMAO 4. How did this IV mask the 20 other drug tests? Magically! Oh, I remember, you said that he had multiple IV's. Well then WHY THE FVCK DIDN'T USADA STAY AWAY FROM THE DOCUMENTED IV THE WAY THEY STAYED AWAY FROM THE OTHER IV(s)????? Fallacy #1: He didn't take something that was banned, idiot. He used a method that is prohibited without a TUE. The WADA rules clearly state that it's allowed with a TUE. You should learn how to read it, but we both know that you don't even understand two letter words like "OR"!!!!! Have you figured out what it means yet? Fallacy #2: Two weeks later he asked for it to be approved? WRONG! There is a procedure for retroactive TUEs, if you haven't been paying attention. Did Mayweather magically pay off WADA and get the ISTUE changed in his benefit...somehow before this fight ever came into fruition?? lol. Now do you see why you're a clown? If you have a problem with retroactive TUE's, go take it up with WADA. But but but....Mayweather paid of USADA...and WADA, right? And the judges...and NSAC....and the ref....and.... Time for you to get lost, clown. We've gone through this already and you got nowhere. Go home, Roger. Clown? Are you looking in the mirror again? Make me teach you something. While the urine collector was there for Lance Armstrong to collect samples, they distracted him enough to smuggle and use an IV to mask his PEDs on multiple occassions. For Floyd they did it out in the open and they fell for it!!! Nobody else would have been allowed to do what Floyd did. At least not one that has admitted to making weight easily and has had his weight stable for a decade. For Floyd, the urine collector had to wait about 6 hours to get the urine. That could have been enough of a time delay to throw off the test but then to make things worse, the urine collector also watched Floyd use 750ml IV that according to USADA and WADA it can be used to mask PEDs. Partial sample: Who was handling the sample? DCO? Floyd's team? If it was the DCO then what happened when he was pulled away from either the urine sample or Floyd or both!!! If it was Floyd's team, lol, good luck! On top of that, there was 6 hours delay. Lots can happen during that time with the "partial sample". Furthermore, it was mixed with the urine given afterwards. Whooaa!!! TUE was for the prohibited method: You like to deflect. Floyd used the prohibited method way before he received any kind of approval. Approval came way after the fight. Well, that was the least USADA can do for all the money they got from Floyd's reps. As for your statement that he would not be allowed if it was a positive test for a prohibited substance, well, that was the reason they got to use the IV. There is no other explanation because Floyd was at most very mildly dehydrated. That was corrected after the weigh in after he drank about 600ml. According to studies, USADA and WADA, it would have brought Floyd to a FULLY REHYDRATED STATE!!! USADA allowed all that to happen. WADA: If you read WADA, for mild dehydration, it states that one must drink orally not use an IV. At least for one that was at most mildly dehydrated(which is actually a stretch - continue reading). At the time of the IV, Floyd was not even mildly dehydtrated since he drank enough already to FULLY REHYDRATE his body!!!! YES, USADA was in Floyd's back pocket: a) Both Floyd and Manny did not let the NSAC know about their condition. USADA protected Floyd but threw Manny under the bus! b) THINK! Why did Lance Armstrong and others have to go thru hoops if they had agencies such as the UCI and many others in their back pocket? :smashfrea c) Here is USADA statement: "I don't know how closely you've followed our investigation into cycling, but you saw it used a lot in cycling. Because, putting a bag of saline over 50 ml, for example is the rule, would potentially mask or alter the blood testing that was done." - Travis Tygart, CEO of USADA: I see I'm touching a nerve :lol1: FACT: Floyd used the banned method way before he had USADA come to the rescue. FACT: Floyd is the only boxer to have received a retroactive TUE where his weight was relatively stable for a decade (Floyd's words) and where he showed no clinical signs (pulse, BP, ....) of being dehydrated as per NSAC examination and that it was not even after a grueling activity and where Floyd admitted to making weight EASILY. Plus, Floyd never told the NSAC about his serious medical condition. If you check out Manny's situation, Floyd's fans were all in agreement that Manny should have let the NSAC know about his medical condition .... but not Floyd? WHOAAAA!!! "Retro TUEs are not handed out like candy" - Victor Conte ... but that seems to be the case for Floyd. Also, WADA clarified “the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild re-hydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature.” Also, WADA "WADA has clarified that the use of IV infusions to treat mild dehydration or simply accelerate recovery IS NOT an acceptable medical use of IVs in sport." https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/09/8f/44/098f44a5d9e2f8e0ea009584e9028dfc.jpg

I haven't even read the other comments. Any unbiased, reasonable person looking at everything would say yes. Yes he definitely used something illegal. Roach and Manny admit they didn't know what Ariza was giving him. The sudden emergence of unreal power began when Ariza came on board. Beginning with Diaz or whoever at lw. Then he clearly rocked Cotto numerous times and finally got the ko. Oscar couldn't do anything against the much smaller Manny because Manny had power that he didn't have before. He was ko'ing everyone, then he turned down a mimimum of $50 mill for a fight because he was "scared" of being tested. People started pointing to Ariza and noticing the power came when he did. Roach heard all of this and kicked Ariza out. And since then Manny hasn't had a single ko victory. Knocked out ODLH, Hatton, and Cotto in a row but then the same shots don't hurt anyone. A high def. video recorder of him using is the only proof that hasn't emerged. Highly doubt its just Pac. Holyfield had every single sign and symptom of steroid use. People noticed and a reporter even asked Holyfield about it. Then 20 years later he gets busted having a mini-pharmacy delivered via mail. I would bet my life that G, Povetkin, and Kovavlev has. Floyd might have though there is nothing suggest it except for stamina at nearly 40. State athletic commissions allow boxers to rehydrate after the weigh-in. That Floyd called and had USADA come out check everything out, saw it was just saline and stayed and watched. Even Arum said that is not suspicious at all. USADA has brought down Lance Armstrong, Jon Jones, and Brock Lesnar. But all of their employees are secretly helping Floyd cheat. I don't know about the last few years, but Floyd probably did earlier too. If you are a professional boxer and everyone- literally everyone- is using peds and you know can get away with it, why wouldn't you take that advantage??? That extra lil bit of power or stamina can make the difference between getting real money fighting on tv or just being someone top prospects beat to gain experience.