If GBP/K2 asked the WBC for a 30 day extension....

He was mandatory AND DIDNT HAVE TO!!!!..Canelo dropping the WBC belt changes all of that, IF GGG WANTS A BIG FIGHT!!! he will have to bend I don't see it happening. This is about Canelo knowing he can't beat Golovkin. Oscar doesn't want his cash cow to lose. Even if Caducko grows a pair, I'd be surprised if GGG would put his MW belts on the line @ a catch weight. He could have just agreed to that in the first place.

I didn't think GGG was a challenger. He has some bs WBC interim belt or something iirc that garners him a higher %. Point taken on the 10% win bonus thing doe. I still think GGG is getting more $ than he deserves via how the WBC cuts things vs how much bigger Canelo is. This is a asses in seats/PPV buys/ratings business & Canelo is much bigger than GGG in that regard. Ahh, the interim belt had completely slipped off my radar. I wasn't taking that into account. I wonder if the WBC International middleweight champion and the WBC Silver middleweight champion get the same allowances as the WBC Interim middleweight champion when fighting the WBC middleweight champion? :boxing: You know, I've never begrudged fighters and their teams throwing in some easy money fights here and there. It's a tough sport and their careers are short lived. But the money men seem to have lost sight of the fact that this is a sport after all. We as fans tune in to be entertained. The bottom dollar is getting in the way of that.

Has this been confirmed by Oscar & or Tommy L? I mean it is 2016 so you can say in bed, naked & getting your hog pleasured while skyping someone in Iceland if necessary (& why wouldn't you vs sitting in some ****ty conference room in a suit) so idk how damning that really is, but it kinda goes with thought Oscar & Canelo were going to half ass this situation. Personally I can't buy that K2 is talking about the discussions like they are (ie were going good, weight wasn't an issue, etc & so on), but Oscar & Canelo think a deal isn't gonna be possible with almost a full week left of their 15 day period to make a deal. I mean you at least give a good faith attempt at making the deal in the 15 day timeline & then when things get to some nutty ass purse bid where Canelo (with his 4M+ PPV buys to GGG's 150k or whatever) is the clear cash cow & giving up 45% of the pie makes zero sense. Most reasonable people who care to know the facts can support Canelo dropping the belt in that case I feel anyway. So I don't understand this move at all. I mean even if they are pissing themselves at fighting GGG I think you hold the belt til the purse bid & then claim the 45% to GGG thing is stupid (& it is) so you don't lose as much respect as Canelo has in the last 24 hours. The WBC purse bids are no longer set at 45% to the challenger. 10% is held back for the winner as an incentive for the fighters to go at it and the remaining 90% is split 70/30 in favour of the champion. So in essence if he signed and lost Golovkin would have gotten 27% of the purse.

Who here thinks they wouldn't have granted it? Knowing they are negotiating in good faith and working on the details of a huge fight... The WBC would have bent over backwards for them and pushed back the deadline and purse bid for a month... That excuse from GBP is a pathetic ploy to make it about anything but they're unwillingness to fight GGG this September and at every advantage they can possibly gain.. If you disagree, give me a good reason why... I agree fully. Honestly, people believing that Alvarez dropped the belt because he doesn't deserve to be pressed by them really need to reconsider what sport they want to follow. Seriously.. The WBC want this fight to happen and after plenty of time and plenty of people dancing around it they eventually press for it. Both teams apparently agree to make it happen so therefore if either side went to the WBC, said it was going well at the moment but more time may be needed, you are damn right the WBC would have given it to them. The whole 'Canelo didn't agree with being deadlined' is total BS....They just don't want it.

Golovkin already told Canelo that he wouldn't fight for a MW belt @ less than 160. Why would Canelo's dropping the WBC regular belt change that? He was mandatory AND DIDNT HAVE TO!!!!..Canelo dropping the WBC belt changes all of that, IF GGG WANTS A BIG FIGHT!!! he will have to bend

I think Canelo wants the fight but believes the best negotiations can be made without the WBC over their shoulder. Bullshit. Just say it man: Canelo is sniveling coward. It's ok. The truth shall set you free.

No they wouldn't grant an extension. It's just a boxing match and not a peace treaty between two countries. If both sides really want to make the fight they should be able to come to an agreement in hours, not days, weeks or a full month. All they need to decide is where and when the fight takes place. What percentage of the money each side get and what weight the fight will be fought at. There might be a few other details that need to be worked out but it just isn't that complicated. If they can't make this fight in a day or two then one side or the other really doesn't want the fight and another 28 days won't change anything. Canelo/Cotto took months almost a damn year to negotiate and make. Floyd/Manny took years. Almost no fights with superstars this big get made in 14 days.

No title at stake??? the WBC/WBA/IBF/RING/LINEAL titles would all be at stake Golovkin already told Canelo that he wouldn't fight for a MW belt @ less than 160. Why would Canelo's dropping the WBC regular belt change that?

I think Canelo wants the fight but believes the best negotiations can be made without the WBC over their shoulder.

Well by dropping the belt he now goes back to saying he's not a true middleweight and he's never fought one... If GGG wants the prestige and name on his record, he has to cave on some stuff, we know that... It's always been this way and will continue to be when one guy is the face of boxing.... GGG can make the weight and win, he should take the risk... Canelo: "...We Mexicans don't fuck around! I'm not afraid of Golovkin, I'll fight him right now! Oh wait, I'm not a true MW, let's negotiate something else." If Canelo is the face of boxing, then boxing is fucked.

You are the one who is crazy. Golden Boy was stalling and if you can't see that you are blind as a bat. How many times do K2 have to say they are not on board and won't put up with not being declared the full champion for one minute past the May24th deadline before you get it. Sure, the WBC would have let Canelo keep his title if both sides were find with that. GGG and his team made it crystal clear they wanted that belt on the 24th no ifs ands or buts and no fights below 160. So both sides being OK with Canelo remaining champ past the deadline was a situation that NEVER EXISTED. Yes this is exactly what my post alluded too..... I'm sorry i guess i misunderstood your first post then. If both parties were on board, no way WBC doesn't allow an extension. I'm sure if K2 felt GBP was really interested they would have asked the WBC for more time, and been granted it.

Well by dropping the belt he now goes back to saying he's not a true middleweight and he's never fought one... If GGG wants the prestige and name on his record, he has to cave on some stuff, we know that... It's always been this way and will continue to be when one guy is the face of boxing.... GGG can make the weight and win, he should take the risk... I agree GGG will either have to go down or go up to get a BIG fight..point blank period

Nope, they sure didn't. Just follow the timeline of events. K2 and GBP said they wouldn't negotiate in the media. Then there was that fight hype article stating Canelo/GBP were asking for 2-3 interim fights. Everybody said they were crazy. Then the WBC came out and said that's not going to happen. They're confident both sides will come to an agreement and the fight will happen. And they reiterated that the purse bid is set for the 24th. Then Loeffler came out and said no more interim fights. On the same day Mannix says they haven't met each other face to face. How would he know that? Somebody from K2 leaked it to him because they knew Canelo and GBP weren't negotiating in good faith. And then the next day Canelo vacates. They were never serious about making this fight. Canelo says dropping the belt will get rid of artificial deadlines and they can continue negotiations. But why would he drop his most important bargaining chip? Wow you're really on top of this gj. The bolded looks like a really good assumption. I thought it was weird Loeffler came out(after media silence), and talked about no more interm fights, he must have seen the writing on the wall. I love using the word "artificial" for describing that deadline SOOO TRUE!! :rofl:

Completely disagree. The WBC would not have been the roadblock to this fight, you're crazy. They would've given as much time needed as long as both parties were on board. It seems as tho K2 is tired of getting jerked around. They took a step aside, gave a voluntary defense, and finally it seems they've had enough.You are the one who is crazy. Golden Boy was stalling and if you can't see that you are blind as a bat. How many times do K2 have to say they are not on board and won't put up with not being declared the full champion for one minute past the May24th deadline before you get it. Sure, the WBC would have let Canelo keep his title if both sides were find with that. GGG and his team made it crystal clear they wanted that belt on the 24th no ifs ands or buts and no fights below 160. So both sides being OK with Canelo remaining champ past the deadline was a situation that NEVER EXISTED.

I really don't think Canelo wants Golovkin at all. Given that Canelo thinks he's this huge star, he's going to want big money for his fights. The only way he's going to get a big payday is PPV. How can they pull off a PPV fight with no title at stake? Why risk an ass whipping from Golovkin for a small purse? No title at stake??? the WBC/WBA/IBF/RING/LINEAL titles would all be at stake

Of course they would've gotten an extension. All they had to do by May 24th was say that they want the fight. Thats it. Then there would be a 30 day official negotiation period which would be even easier to get an extension on because of the understandable complexities of making a huge ppv fight. Also, this fight would have never gone to a purse bid. K2 understood that Golovkin wasn't going to get 45% and was fine with that. Every promoter that has worked with Loeffler has said that he has been easy to make a deal with. This move will backfire on Canelo, horribly. It was not well thought out...just defiant.

So Canelo clearly ducks Golovkin by dropping his belt, but you'll blame Golovkin if he doesn't agree to Canelo's work-around scheme? WTF?? Well by dropping the belt he now goes back to saying he's not a true middleweight and he's never fought one... If GGG wants the prestige and name on his record, he has to cave on some stuff, we know that... It's always been this way and will continue to be when one guy is the face of boxing.... GGG can make the weight and win, he should take the risk...

Oh, I agree 100%. But they use the excuse that they won't be dictated to based on a time frame when in reality that time frame wouldn't even be an issue if they chose for it not to be... It's all about getting every advantage going in, and Canelo is the A side but 155 shouldn't and won't happen...157-158 and fair money for GGG and it doesn't happen then I blame K2/GGG for the fight not happening So Canelo clearly ducks Golovkin by dropping his belt, but you'll blame Golovkin if he doesn't agree to Canelo's & Oscar's work-around scheme? WTF??

Canelo dropped the belt so he can demand the fight at 155 simple and plain....that is why they are still negotiating I really don't think Canelo wants Golovkin at all. Given that Canelo thinks he's this huge star, he's going to want big money for his fights. The only way he's going to get a big payday is PPV. How can they pull off a PPV fight with no title at stake? Why risk an ass whipping from Golovkin for a small purse?

Canelo dropped the belt so he can demand the fight at 155 simple and plain....that is why they are still negotiating Oh, I agree 100%. But they use the excuse that they won't be dictated to based on a time frame when in reality that time frame wouldn't even be an issue if they chose for it not to be... It's all about getting every advantage going in, and Canelo is the A side but 155 shouldn't and won't happen...157-158 and fair money for GGG and it doesn't happen then I blame K2/GGG for the fight not happening