How on God's green Earth did Mike Tyson have a body builder's body from doing cardio-centric boxing workouts? Was it genetics or steroids?
Tyson was ripped.
http://cx.aos.ask.com/question/aq/1400px-788px/mike-tyson-s-fastest-knockout_1327bfdf72151da0.jpg
PEDs to an extent look at Beltfort when he came off them.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PmKkEf8A6RU/hqdefault.jpg
They can work wonders, you really need to invest some time into the fitness industry and realize that a lot of these guys are bull****ting you including some of your favorite boxers.
Testing procedures in boxing that aren't firm hence why the dodgy guys use USADA and not VADA who will use the carbon isotope testing which is hands down the best method to use.
You think every buff guy is on roids?
Have you seen how big convicts get in prison? Just eating and working out because they got nothing to do?
Or you think those prisoners are on roids too.
You watch too much TV.
LMAO dude shut up with your nutrients broscience horse****. No amount of food or training is gonna make you look like Arnold Schwarzenegger or Mike Tyson. And don't give me your genetics bull**** either. It didnt work with Schwarzenegger so stop it. Tyson, Holyfield, Arnold, all those freaks used roids / PED's, what the **** are you arguing for? They admitted it!
You think every buff guy is on roids?
Have you seen how big convicts get in prison? Just eating and working out because they got nothing to do?
Or you think those prisoners are on roids too.
Na I'm right I'm one of those people who ate everything when i was a kid and never got fat while not always exercising. Now i work out all the time but i have to watch what i eat or i get fat.
Thats not how science / studies work. GTFO noob.
Dude get some facts. You have a lot of catching up to do.
Na I'm right I'm one of those people who ate everything when i was a kid and never got fat while not always exercising. Now i work out all the time but i have to watch what i eat or i get fat.
Some people even comment about me and say I'm on steroids when they seen my arms lol. I would never do nor do i even know where to get that stuff.
Sounds like you just have bad genes sorry buddy
Yea a lot of people can eat whatever they want up to a certain point in their life but eventually it'll catch up to you if you keep doing it. You can't downplay genetics look at Shaqs son, Dwade son,LeBrons son for example. Genetics is a foundation and if you put in the work like Tyson or the kids i mentioned you get the most out of it
Dude get some facts. You have a lot of catching up to do.
Genetics does have something to do with it obviously.. But Tyson admitted he himself was on some PEDS, he said most athletes are anyway
Yeah he was a big fan of cheque drops, mibolerone an oral anabolic steroid.
But he also has elite gentic potential. You can take all the AAS you want unless you are in the top 1% genetically you will not look like that. He was born with a huge ratio of fast twitch / slow twitch fiber which cannot be changed no matter what you do. That is why he is so naturally big but also gases easily.
genetics
he woke up like that literally, look at his teen pics
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Precisely...Tyson was a huge built guy even when he was a kid. He was literally one in a million in terms of how his genetics gave him that build in the first place. Combine that fact with all he did was train and train and train under Cus as he reached his mid teens, it stands to perfect reasoning why Tyson looked how he did once he became a full grown man.
How does one measure excellent genetics? Where is the evidence? What studies actually support your theory? Typical broscience bull****. I'm sure you'll next tell me that some people can eat anything they want without gaining weight because of their metabolism. Right?
Yea a lot of people can eat whatever they want up to a certain point in their life but eventually it'll catch up to you if you keep doing it. You can't downplay genetics look at Shaqs son, Dwade son,LeBrons son for example. Genetics is a foundation and if you put in the work like Tyson or the kids i mentioned you get the most out of it
Oh of course, we all know the history of competitive bodybuilding and steroid use.
When it comes to physiques, number 1 is GENETICS. Second is diet, third is steroids. You always get exceptions and freaks.
I'm not saying Tyson didn't do roids, he most likely did. We all know Arnold did. Both Tyson and Arnold had excellent genetics, doesn't matter how much roids you do, if you have terrible muscle insertions, terrible diet and terrible work ethic you aren't going to look like them.
How does one measure excellent genetics? Where is the evidence? What studies actually support your theory? Typical broscience bull****. I'm sure you'll next tell me that some people can eat anything they want without gaining weight because of their metabolism. Right?
LMAO dude shut up with your nutrients broscience horse****. No amount of food or training is gonna make you look like Arnold Schwarzenegger or Mike Tyson. And don't give me your genetics bull**** either. It didnt work with Schwarzenegger so stop it. Tyson, Holyfield, Arnold, all those freaks used roids / PED's, what the **** are you arguing for? They admitted it!
Oh of course, we all know the history of competitive bodybuilding and steroid use.
When it comes to physiques, number 1 is GENETICS. Second is diet, third is steroids. You always get exceptions and freaks.
I'm not saying Tyson didn't do roids, he most likely did. We all know Arnold did. Both Tyson and Arnold had excellent genetics, doesn't matter how much roids you do, if you have terrible muscle insertions, terrible diet and terrible work ethic you aren't going to look like them.
I had a couple of friends like that back in the neighborhood, 14-15 years old and all they had to do was look at weights and their muscles grow. They were just already like that. A lot of people on this forum really can't grasp genetics. There's people that with 4-8 weeks of body building, and a sh*t diet with junk food will become beasts, and others with inferior genetics can work out the same, and have an even better diet for whole a year and not get anywhere near the same results person A saw in 8 weeks
This is the thing. My uncle has the look of a dead cert steroid user. He's never touched them in his life. At the moment he goes to the gym and does high repetition weights. No heavy stuff (by his standards). He looks like a bulky Hugh Jackman when he's playing Wolverine. My brother in law stopped doing heavy weights 'cause he'd become tired of people asking him if he was taking steroids because of how fast he gains muscle. My best friend only has to diet to get a six pack that most people couldn't get with all the abdominal exercises in the world.
In a similar vein I've never seen what the big deal is with stamina based fitness. If the three aforementioned people ran relay I'd still outdistance them with ease. My stamina goes through the roof in a short space of time but build muscle at a rate that they do? I don't even think I could if I was taking steroids myself.
With Tyson, I don't see it. Its possible when he was younger but if that was the case then he'd have no reluctance in taking them when he was older and the performances just aren't there. What some people are losing site of on this one is that athletes (unlike body builders) aren't taking banned substances for aesthetic reasons. Tyson's rise was meteoric but it was consistent, as was his decline. His performances weren't erratic. He was young, powerful and explosive and then it went. Intimidation made up the short fall so few noticed at the time how much he'd declined.
PED users often pull off extraordinary feats, particularly at points in their careers where you wouldn't expect it. Let's not forget that Tyson was prodigious in the ring. Had that have been coupled with PED use his career would have been more fulfilled.
Well Africans don't eat as much meat as we do in the first world. They also don't eat enough and don't get enough nutrients in their food. You put their elite on the diet of an American with American training methods, they'll be in top shape too.
LMAO dude shut up with your nutrients broscience horse****. No amount of food or training is gonna make you look like Arnold Schwarzenegger or Mike Tyson. And don't give me your genetics bull**** either. It didnt work with Schwarzenegger so stop it. Tyson, Holyfield, Arnold, all those freaks used roids / PED's, what the **** are you arguing for? They admitted it!
I'm 5'11 1/2 and weigh maybe 160 at the most soaking wet if I'm lucky. People call me skinny and some even lanky..I'm just a terrible eater and in fact built like a stocky Broner when I do pig out occasionally with thick hips,legs,shoulders, I can just never sustain it so these areas are usually a little sunken in. So maybe I'm an anomaly but I'd think Skinny people like me can put on 10-15lbs of muscle without much trouble(physically, obvious there is still hard work involved and a lot of eating). I for one doubt Will Smith has ever taken PEDS...Maybe I'm being naive but If one guy believes in hard work it's him.
You're about the same height as me, maybe slightly taller and I can go up 210lbs. I was that weight about 2 months ago, i'm about 190lb now and look in healthy shape. I have broad shoulders and generally a broad physique every where. Every one is built differently, everyone holds their weight differently.
Not as ripped as Anthony Joshua, but I think his body is more efficient.
Peak Tyson was huge compared to Joshua in terms of muscle mass to height ratio.
His training routine was out of this world. He was training from like 3 in the morning until night, the entire day basically. Every single day. Going to the gym for sparring was basically his time off. He was doing **** the entire day. Who the **** would want to live like that...
I'm sure he also used PED's / roids, but his training routine was legit. He watched his diet, stuff like that can drive you nuts after a while. So naturally when he stopped training and started eating cakes and all that **** again he just blew up. I remember when he got out of jail, he was fat as ****. Couple months later for his next fight he was ripped, a monster. But yeah, I don't give a **** about "genetics". Notice how nobody in Africa has those genetics, or China, Asia basically, and so on. For some reason it's just the countries where people can afford steroids. You can't look the way he did without the use of PEDs / roids. Same with Holyfield, RJJ and so on. A lot of MMA guys are also on roids / PED's. Once they stopped using those their bodies fell apart, they look like deflated balloons now. There's a reason why we compare these guys to bodybuilder type bodies. Because bodybuilders are all on steroids, at least those giants you see on TV. Not those fruity vegans that weigh like 120 pounds.
Well Africans don't eat as much meat as we do in the first world. They also don't eat enough and don't get enough nutrients in their food. You put their elite on the diet of an American with American training methods, they'll be in top shape too.
Tyson was like 190 lbs. at like 13
Unless he was taking roids at Jr high....
Holy field is a known ped cheat
that is what I mean in this whole disaster. holyfield briggs vinny paz roy jones vagena Williams etc were all ALLOWED to pass the tests and some are selectively "caught"