Spence fires shots at Kenny Porter

Shawn is 3x the fighter that Spence could ever hope to be. Hopefully they meet down the line.

Broner is still campaigning at 140. He's had more fights at 140 than he's had at 147 and he originally skipped 140. After the Porter fight he fought twice at 140. You're acting like he's within the same division and asking for a catchweight. No he's already on his way back to 147... The fact that you support that catchweight is startling seeing as you are critical of the GGG-Ward 164 situation (I am too).... Why was Broner willing to face Paulie and Maidana at 147 but bring Porter down to 144, instead of facing him at 147 where he has held a title before. GGG did the same thing with Ward and Froch but atleast he hasn't even fought above 160 yet. If you can't see how obvious your double standards here are then I don't know what to tell you. :dunno:

Do people actually rate Shawn Porter? He's one of the worst fighters I have seen in recent years; I don't think it helps that he makes pressure fighting a chore to watch. Couldn't agree more.

Probably is, but its a relevant topic like its never been in this day when selling PPV's &/or being able to get solid ratings &/or getting asses in seats is almost as important as winning fights. And people like to act like its only a factor in big fights, but A side/B side **** happens all the way down to the club fight level to some degree. Eh I mean there is a different dynamic going on with promoters vs managers. A promoter has a measurable investment in boxers. So it reasonable he's rooting for certain boxers. A manager very well could be rooting for one side over the other as well, but I believe there is a much thiner line he's walking. With that being the case he needs to take inventory of what his boxers want based on what Haymon has gotten for them in the past in non-same manager fights & go from there. And I mean the fact these fights you are bringing up have happened or are happening soon suggests the contract made wasn't unagreeable enough to Porter for him to walk. If Porter thought a catchweight or a rematch options wasn't fair he doesn't have to agree to them & those seem like such obvious things with obvious problems if you got problems with them that if he was opposed to them they are easy things to stand your ground on even if Haymon was trying to Don King or Bob Arum agree you into something you don't wanna do. These aren't $10,000 towels or bait n switched paydays type things. Also this isn't to say that maybe Haymon isn't doing f#cked up **** behind the scenes that we may learn of at a later date, there just isn't anything that makes this a clear case of favoritism (or worse things) right now is my stance. As always Eff Panda you make some good points.

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a win that SOME, just SOME people have Pac alot of credit for. Although everyone knew Algeri was a decent fighter the whole time. most people here, me included, trashed pac-algieri, it was a shit fight, algieri shouldn't have shared a ring with manny. it's a good win for spence, that's it

Do people actually rate Shawn Porter? He's one of the worst fighters I have seen in recent years; I don't think it helps that he makes pressure fighting a chore to watch.

I don't think this is an issue of choosing one side. I think its talking to each guy & seeing what it takes to make the fight. For Broner, who also happens to be the bigger name it seemed it was a catchweight. Porter said yea. When you manager two fighters it would seem you play the mediator more than the manager. Whats Haymon got to do with it? Porter could say no catchweight. Porter coulda said another weight he'd be cool with the fight taking place at & then Haymon goes to Broner & they see what Broner thinks until an agreement is made or not made. Again same situation as above. Do you think Shawn & Kenny Porter are just retards incapable of making intelligent decisions & disagreeing with others? Again with this situation Thurman is the A side & he said he needed x & Porter said okay. Wheres the problem exactly? I don't think anything is obvious. Why can't Broner & Thurman be so called "divas" who need certain accommodations to make fights & Porter is just a no f#cks given type cat who'd fight a name guy who'd move his career upwards in his backyard with that guys mom, brother & sister judging the fight? I mean everything points to that being a more reasonable reality here than Haymon is conspiring against one of the best fighters on his roster. I don't think Haymon is conspiring against Porter, but rather prefer if he loses to his more popular fighters. Every promoter and (or) manager have their favorites. I think this whole A-Side vs B-Side is over used. Arum favored Juanma over Gamboa. And protected Juanma from Gamboa. Oscar was willing to sacrifice Ortiz to Canelo. And Haymon cares more about the demands of Broner and Thurman than that of Porter. There's nothing wrong with that, Porter doesn't have the same appeal as a Broner or Thurman and that's understandable.

Not 100% what you are referencing here tbqh. I assume you mean the weight issue with Broner, but it seemed known well in advance there was no declared weight limit early on or at least it seemed in dispute yet I don't know it to be Haymon's fault. I'd assume thats Broner's fault & him using his A side edge in making that an issue. I'm not sure exactly what the Thurman issue would be outside of the moving date with that fight being made, but again I don't exactly see how thats Haymon's fault that Thurman isn't ready to fight. If its about keeping Porter out of action til Thurman is ready then I could see some logic with Porter wanting to keep active. Thing is the reality is this fight seemed to have several dates sometimes only weeks apart from the previous date & I'm not sure it ever made sense to keep Porter active vs someone else when Thurman was just around the corner. I've heard Neil DeGrasse Tyson talking about God being the answer to many scientific questions that people in the past weren't intelligent enough to answer at the time that we know have answers to. I feel like due to Haymon's operating behind the curtains of boxing that he's the answer to way to many questions to whats wrong or negative with this boxers trajectory or this thing in boxing or that thing in boxing when its more an answer based on insufficient, at best, evidence or wishful thinking by those anti-Haymon/PBC or even Floyd sometimes. And there is in fact much more evidence that Haymon is the best thing to happen to most every fighter he's signed up with thus far. Maybe in 3+ years if he has some line to court thats comparable to Don King's maybe there is something there that actually adds up. Til than I assume Porter is one among many fighters happy to be with Haymon. I think you confused my message for something else. Let me elaborate: One poster said Haymon has done his best for Porter getting him the Brook, Broner, and Thurman fights. And basically that Haymon is equally invested in Porter as he is in Thurman and Broner. And he gave three fights as an example why. I replied: The Brook fight was a mandatory, that's not a fight Haymon set up. In the Broner fight, Haymon allowed for the fight to take place at a catch-weight and re-hydration clause was placed. Now the problem you have when you play manager for both fighters is that you have to choose one side or the other when it comes to negotiations. Haymon chose Broner. Thurman has a rematch clause even though he and Porter are around the same level of fighter. If Porter loses it's over but if Thurman loses he at-least gets the chance to redeem himself. And I believe if the fight is close Thurman gets the W. Haymon sees Thurman as an important piece in the PBC, I can't say the same for Porter. I think it's pretty obvious who Haymon values more between the before mentioned fighters.

You say this as if to imply funny business via Haymon at work, but the reality is the "money guy" which would be Thurman in this case is always more likely to win a close decision if he's with Bob, Oscar or Al. Thats more about how boxing works then anything else. Not right, but thats how it is. Certainly but that's not neither here or there. Porter is a Haymon fighter and Al Haymon isn't interested in Porter's best interest , atleast not when compared to Thurman and Broner. Honestly the main issue with Top Rank is trying to protect all his fighters. When they had Gamboa and Juanma they literally both them both in winnable fights. But he's probably going to pull strings to help Crawford get that win offer Postol in a close fight.

Shawn would beat the juice out of Spence. Lol. Imagine if his nipples were suddenly deflated/normal after the fight.

Shawn would beat the juice out of Spence.

Man Kenny Porter is full of ****. He basically accused Thurman of faking a car accident injury, and accused Thurman of ducking before the contract was signed. That's jus plain stupid. You've got issues with Mayweather, coz this thread aint even about him and you gotta go and bring him and so called *****s into it. His response: "Why? Coz Floyd said so?" is also full of ****, because that wasn't even the question, the question was whether Spence is ready after destroying Algieri, but he had to take a shot at Floyd coz he got issues, just like you. You're wrong there, the lead-in of the question was, "Floyd said Spence was ready a few years ago." The second part was, "After the win over Algieri, do you agree?" Kenny answered the question. Don't get mad because he doesn't agree with Floyd.

Wait where all the people on.here that was saying Spence is best 147 fighter??? Or saying Thurman ducked Spence just cuz Papa Floyd said they should fight back when Spence was still fighting cans

Spence is doing a whole lot of talking after a decent win. Calm down. a win that SOME, just SOME people have Pac alot of credit for. Although everyone knew Algeri was a decent fighter the whole time.

Lol wut? He dropped 3 lbs to fight a fighter a division below him. That fighter gained 4 lbs. The purpose of catchweights is when fighters a division apart want to meet in the middle. Porter has had good fights and paid well. Paulie, Devon, Brook, and Broner. Oh yea, he's treated so bad Broner had fought at 147 TWICE and held a title before he faced Porter. There was no need for a catchweight except to give Broner a telling advantage. Be careful what you type out here, you've had different stances on other catchweight situations and are basically contradicting yourself with this.

Porter got Brook, Broner, and now Thurman? Why people say he aint treated right is beyond me. Which other Haymon fighter has had better fights than this? Brook was a mandatory so that doesn't really count. Haymon stacked the deck against Porter in the Broner fight. I fully believe Haymon and Co. Think Thurman will get the best of Shawn. If the fight is close, expect Thurman to get the decision.

This is why I like Kenny Porter. He speaks his mind without being disrespectful. He pretty much said you can't crown Spence because of a victory over Algieri. An interviewer asked him a question that pretty much was... "Mayweather said Spence was ready a few years ago. After his win over Algieri, do you agree?" Kenny said "Why? because Floyd said so?" Kenny Porter may be the only black man involved in boxing that doesn't suck off Mayweather, and it pisses Fl0mos off. I find that A LOT of boxing fans don't like Kenny Porter and this is the reason why. They try to hide the reason by claiming they don't like him because he smothers Shawn, when in reality he's directly being asked these questions (which was the case in this interview). Take this thread for example, "Can Shawn speak for himself" Kenny Porter was asked the question, so Kenny Porter answered... I don't always agree with what Kenny says, but I've ALWAYS gotten nothing but GROWN MAN vibes from him. He's respectful in his criticisms and he speaks his mind. People are generally praised for these traits, until they start critiquing the golden child of the moment. Man Kenny Porter is full of ****. He basically accused Thurman of faking a car accident injury, and accused Thurman of ducking before the contract was signed. That's jus plain stupid. You've got issues with Mayweather, coz this thread aint even about him and you gotta go and bring him and so called *****s into it. His response: "Why? Coz Floyd said so?" is also full of ****, because that wasn't even the question, the question was whether Spence is ready after destroying Algieri, but he had to take a shot at Floyd coz he got issues, just like you.

Idk about all this. If Porter was getting as effed over by Haymon as much as is suggested it'd seem like he'd just drop him & go sign with TR & fight Manny or Tim for perhaps more money then he's making being the B side to Broner & Thurman. Porter got Brook, Broner, and now Thurman? Why people say he aint treated right is beyond me. Which other Haymon fighter has had better fights than this?

Don't fire shots fight the man or keep your mouth shut