Who ranks higher on your P4P list? Pacquiao or Golovkin?

So you think Golovkin is more skilled for his weight than Pacquiao? right now? yes

Pac is no longer prime, and p4p is not resume based. It's in the here-and-now, who is currently more skilled for their weight. It's Golovkin. I dont regard P4P as being skilled for your weight. Manny's real weight is 140. If he had stayed at his real 135-140 he'd be a ****ing buzz-saw.

A small middleweight like Sergio Martinez at 5'10 didn't seem to have any problems handling tall middleweights like Pavlik and Williams. I don't see why GGG would have any issue with a tall opponent. Again styles make fights. Sergio fights nothing like GGG. Length isn't as much of a problem for him. I think he would have problems because of his movement. He has good movement but not excellent. Aggressive counter punchers when giving up length need excellent movement. Think a young Tyson. Head aint ever where you seen it last. GGG relies heavily on his counter jab and counter hook. But if he gives up a lot of length his movement needs to be better than it presently is if he expects to land those counters. An elite tall MW would simply keep him way to far away to land his counters.

Pavlik doesn't have the boxing ability to hang with GGG and 2000's Hopkins wouldn't get the job done due to poor work rate. No he has the length. Furry didn't have the boxing ability to hang with Wald. But length in and of itself gives Walds' style problems. Same for GGG length is the kryptonite to his style. Styles make fights.

Pac is no longer prime, and p4p is not resume based. It's in the here-and-now, who is currently more skilled for their weight. It's Golovkin. So you think Golovkin is more skilled for his weight than Pacquiao?

Pac easy....no question...

I'll lean towards Pac, he just beat a fellow top 10 P4P fighter all while campaigning in his 7th weight class.

So your having a keyboard war with another poster in a thread you both agree on and I'm butthurt? Fvcking IDIOT! Why don't you read the convo before butting in, dipsh1t

What are you butthurt about now dummy? I said Pac should be above all these guys, #2 at worst So your having a keyboard war with another poster in a thread you both agree on and I'm butthurt? Fvcking IDIOT!

Thankfully the poll is one-sided.

Pavlik doesn't have the boxing ability to hang with GGG and 2000's Hopkins wouldn't get the job done due to poor work rate. Hard to say Hop couldn't get the job done when HUG hasn't been in the ring with anyone nearly as good. Would be an interesting fight considering both men's strengths.

Have you watched GGG fight. I'm a big fan but his style would suffer if the division wasn't so short right now. He is striving because its a relatively small MW division. Pavlik doesn't have the boxing ability to hang with GGG and 2000's Hopkins wouldn't get the job done due to poor work rate.

I'm not talking about the skill of the division. I'm talking about the size of the division. Was Tyson Furry more skilled that Wald? No, but Walds style is weak when he doesn't have the size advantage. The MW division is physically small right now. There aren't many guys with a LWH body type fighting at MW. GGG's style would suffer against taller MWs but there haven't been elite MWs above 6' so GGG doesn't have to worry about length. The tallest MW GGG has had to fight in his entire title run was Ishida. I dont rate GGG high P4P because his style doesn't go up in size well. He is very skilled but his style would be limited against significantly longer opponents. A small middleweight like Sergio Martinez at 5'10 didn't seem to have any problems handling tall middleweights like Pavlik and Williams. I don't see why GGG would have any issue with a tall opponent.

I like Golovkin, but only a truly biased person would vote for him here. Manny has and continues to beat the better fighters and he's done so while moving up many weight classes. At 34 GGG need to get a move on if he's to be remembered with the greats.

Pac has better footwork, worlds better counter-punching, is better at controlling range, is more versatile, has better timing, better feints, better defense, better head movement... Pac is one of the 20-25 greatest fighters ever and has all the skill that greatness implies. Whatever Golovkin does do better, he doesn't do it so much better to make up the huge difference in what Pac does better. And of course you have to consider opposition. Pacquiao had success feinting and countering Floyd freaking Mayweather. He makes fighters like Tim Bradley look unskilled. Some of those are debatable, even the ones Pac is better at, like you said, barring one or two things, whatever Pac does better, I don't think it's by a huge margin, for example things like footwork are debatable and it depends on what you mean specifically, I think Golovkin has better offensive footwork, Pac's is better defensively. Also I think P4P, Golovkin has the tools to give Floyd a much better fight than Pacman did. I know Pac has achieved a lot more and in terms of resume it won't ever be close, but just cos you've achieved a lot more than somebody it doesn't necessarily mean you're a lot more skilled. Anyway, if you think Pac is more skilled that's fine and I'm not even saying it's not the case, but it's up for debate imo, if you match them up skill for skill. I'm a part-time Pa.ctard btw before any of the full-time Pa.ctardss start getting on my case :lol1:

Hopkins also reigned over a mediocre division I'm not talking about the skill of the division. I'm talking about the size of the division. Was Tyson Furry more skilled that Wald? No, but Walds style is weak when he doesn't have the size advantage. The MW division is physically small right now. There aren't many guys with a LWH body type fighting at MW. GGG's style would suffer against taller MWs but there haven't been elite MWs above 6' so GGG doesn't have to worry about length. The tallest MW GGG has had to fight in his entire title run was Ishida. I dont rate GGG high P4P because his style doesn't go up in size well. He is very skilled but his style would be limited against significantly longer opponents.

Please!!! Pavlik gets knocked out and Hopkins UD'd. Have you watched GGG fight. I'm a big fan but his style would suffer if the division wasn't so short right now. He is striving because its a relatively small MW division.

Nah I disagree, I think Golovkin has quite a few better tools than Pac. Better jab, hits harder P4P, knows how to cut the ring off, better hooker, better in the pocket (albeit not great) etc. Pac is better at some things as well obviously, but overall I don't think they're worlds apart in terms of skill. Pac has better footwork, worlds better counter-punching, is better at controlling range, is more versatile, has better timing, better feints, better defense, better head movement... Pac is one of the 20-25 greatest fighters ever and has all the skill that greatness implies. Whatever Golovkin does do better, he doesn't do it so much better to make up the huge difference in what Pac does better. And of course you have to consider opposition. Pacquiao had success feinting and countering Floyd freaking Mayweather. He makes fighters like Tim Bradley look unskilled.

Lets see GGG fighting at his natural weight almost his entire career. Manny fighting up to 3 classes above his. I like GGG but he isn't even a P4P. He strives in what is a small MW division right now. 00s MW division with the physical monsters like Hopkins and Pavlik, both 6'2", GGG gets smoked. Traditionally when the MW division is at its strongest there are a few elite guys who are really LHW body types but able to make weight. The division doesn't have that right now. Hopkins also reigned over a mediocre division. Can anyone think of one elite middleweight he beat prior to facing Felix Trinidad? That shouldn't take anything away from Hopkins reign at 160 lbs. The man was consistent. At 36 he hit his peak after 10 years of toiling in relative obscurity.

Pac is no longer prime, and p4p is not resume based. It's in the here-and-now, who is currently more skilled for their weight. It's Golovkin. I agree with you're first part, but I doubt Golovkin is more skilled than manny, even at this time.. I'm gonna keep manny highly rated until I see him get beat up by someone not named marquez or floyd.. If he had struggled at all with algieri or rios or bradley, you would be correct. But manny has dominated everyone recently that wasn't a living legend