Where does Joe Calzaghe stand in your P4P all time list?

See, you can put thought into a post when stimulated. For the record, the only opinions I dismiss are those based on fights that didn't happen. You responded to my quote regarding another poster and contributed nothing to the thread other than salt. Both were past their best, but neither was shot and the better man won on the night. I don't feel the need to quote passages from books to reinforce my opinion, it is what it is. Oh, the names you have quoted as amazing wins for Joe. Well, Roy has a ton of those type of fighters on his resume too, with the real difference being Roy lost to some of them. Roy wasn't shot after the Tarver ko, he was beaten and took it badly, which affected his mental fortitude and performance thereafter. Neither of them were shot? Me and Joe disagree with you. Roy hadn't had a top level win for 5 years. Glen Johnson bullied Roy for 9 rounds and then knocked him out cold in 2004, which was 4 years before Joe fought him. Do you seriously think Glen Johnson would have beaten Roy whilst he was anywhere near his prime? Roy was 3-3 in his previous 6 going into the fight in 2008, but to you that isn't being shot? Joe was past his best, but he was still an elite level fighter, coming off two of the best wins of his career. Regarding the names I mentioned, those were the guys who Joe chose to fight whilst he was in his 30's, after he'd said he didn't want to fight Roy. Joe was nothing but a scavenger, and again, his win over Roy was a joke.

Hey Einstein, it's YOU who's arrogantly dismissed people's opinions as well as the circumstances surrounding Joe's actions. It's YOU who typed 'blah blah' That's your contribution to this thread. How am I attention seeking? Let me use what little social skills I possess, to leave you an excerpt from Joe's autobiography: "I have no interest any more in Roy Jones and no interest in Antonio Tarver. Jones is washed up and Tarver was never that good anyway, he just caught Jones when Jones was shot and Johnson did the same" Great, huh? Seeing as though it's you, I'll leave you some more comments of Joe's, this time from 1999 when Roy was in his prime: "I'm not chasing Roy Jones, I don't want tough fights" The stuff of legend. You keep celebrating his win over Roy. And don't forget those other amazing wins against the likes of Salem, Sobot, Ashira and Mkrtchyan. See, you can put thought into a post when stimulated. For the record, the only opinions I dismiss are those based on fights that didn't happen. You responded to my quote regarding another poster and contributed nothing to the thread other than salt. Both were past their best, but neither was shot and the better man won on the night. I don't feel the need to quote passages from books to reinforce my opinion, it is what it is. Oh, the names you have quoted as amazing wins for Joe. Well, Roy has a ton of those type of fighters on his resume too, with the real difference being Roy lost to some of them. Roy wasn't shot after the Tarver ko, he was beaten and took it badly, which affected his mental fortitude and performance thereafter.

Calzaghe isn't even a top ten great brit. He's also not the greatest Welsh fighter. Jimmy Wilde, Freddie Welsh and Jim Driscoll all rank better than Joe. Joes a great fighter though. H2H he ranks very very high.

Self important much? I just read through your responses :baby: There are times for trolling I'm sure, but not on threads where people express valid opinions on salient points. I would recommend a support group, which will allow you to discuss your feelings with real people in an open forum. This should realistically give you the social tools required to actually contribute to a thread or discussion, as opposed to what amounts to attention seeking. Remember, they are just opinions and pose no real threat to you. Good luck. Hey Einstein, it's YOU who's arrogantly dismissed people's opinions as well as the circumstances surrounding Joe's actions. It's YOU who typed 'blah blah' That's your contribution to this thread. How am I attention seeking? Let me use what little social skills I possess, to leave you an excerpt from Joe's autobiography: "I have no interest any more in Roy Jones and no interest in Antonio Tarver. Jones is washed up and Tarver was never that good anyway, he just caught Jones when Jones was shot and Johnson did the same" Great, huh? Seeing as though it's you, I'll leave you some more comments of Joe's, this time from 1999 when Roy was in his prime: "I'm not chasing Roy Jones, I don't want tough fights" The stuff of legend. You keep celebrating his win over Roy. And don't forget those other amazing wins against the likes of Salem, Sobot, Ashira and Mkrtchyan.

Yeah it's all 'blah blah' Let's start a thread discussing how Trevor Berbick was a better fighter than Ali. Your post is laughable. Self important much? I just read through your responses :baby: There are times for trolling I'm sure, but not on threads where people express valid opinions on salient points. I would recommend a support group, which will allow you to discuss your feelings with real people in an open forum. This should realistically give you the social tools required to actually contribute to a thread or discussion, as opposed to what amounts to attention seeking. Remember, they are just opinions and pose no real threat to you. Good luck.

Mang all I know is Sir Joe came to teh United States of America and battered Hopkins and Royston. He fought both of them and beat both of them. Who cares? He struggled with Bernard, and he fought Roy after he'd repeatedly said he didn't want to fight him because he was shot. It's a joke. When Roy was fighting Ruiz and Tarver, Joe was fighting Tocker Pudwill, Kabary Salem, Evans Ashira and Mger Mkrtchyan. He wanted nothing to do with Roy when he was prime. His win in 2008 shouldn't be celebrated in any way. Tarver and Johnson had already destroyed Roy over 4 years earlier.

top 2 or 3 ever for sure

Well, now we're getting at something. There isn't 10 greater 168 lbs fighters than Calzaghe. Now mention 10 boxers at 160lbs who, P4P, should be ranked higher than Calzaghe. Or 10 175lbs boxers. 160 top of my head; Monzon Robinson Hagler Tiger Walker Greb Cerdan Lamotta Hopkins Steele 175 top of my head; Charles Moore Johnson Foster Conn Loughran Tunney Jones Bivins Rosenbloom

I don't come on here often enough to know whether or not you're a troll. I'm going to assume you are though. Do you really want me to give you an excerpt from Joe's autobiography? Mang all I know is Sir Joe came to teh United States of America and battered Hopkins and Royston. He fought both of them and beat both of them.

1) Calzaghe has a near 70% KO ratio, hardly a soft puncher. 2) Hopkins was still P4P top 3 when JC beat him. Feel free to go back and check the lists and this forum if you weren't old enough to watch it at the time. 3) Same with Lacy, he was the betting favourite and most people (boxing fans not just casuals) thought he was going to do JC over. Instead he got the sh1t beaten out of him for every minute of the fight, was destroyed as a fighter and never the same again. It's easy to say with hindsight that Lacy was never any good. 1. Almost all of Joe's stoppages were TKO's, and many of them were very dubious. 2. Bernard was a top P4P fighter at the time, and I scored it a draw. It was quality vs quantity. 3. That's a fair point about hindsight and Joe deserves a lot of credit for that performance. It was by far his best ever. It was a great win. But in my opinion, Lacy was never an elite fighter, and he'd never beaten an elite fighter. If Joe hadn't have beaten him, I'm sure he'd have been exposed soon enough. And I think the reason why he was such a big favourite, was because Joe was still relatively unknown outside of Europe at the time.

keep ignoring facts for how you feel inside like a women. In the real world, statistics don't allow for circumstances. Otherwise Danny Williams would be considered a better HW than Mike Tyson.

Only on NSB can you fight and beat two guys in 2008 and 2009 and retire and both those mother****ers keep fighting and keep winning but somehow you cherry picked them. It don't make no got damn cents. SwaggyPConfusedFace.jpg I don't come on here often enough to know whether or not you're a troll. I'm going to assume you are though. Do you really want me to give you an excerpt from Joe's autobiography?

1) Calzaghe has a near 70% KO ratio, hardly a soft puncher. 2) Hopkins was still P4P top 3 when JC beat him. Feel free to go back and check the lists and this forum if you weren't old enough to watch it at the time. 3) Same with Lacy, he was the betting favourite and most people (boxing fans not just casuals) thought he was going to do JC over. Instead he got the sh1t beaten out of him for every minute of the fight, was destroyed as a fighter and never the same again. It's easy to say with hindsight that Lacy was never any good. Lol @ "old enough"... I've been on this forum before that fight was even in the conversation pal. Let alone watching boxing. Joe never KO'd anybody with a real resume in his entire career. He pummeled them with speed and volume but never stopped a single name fighter that he faced. I was never on the Lacy hype train. & the B-Hop win was good but it's undeniable that it came near his (extremely delayed) decline... I still maintain that the win over Kessler was his career best. I don't know why people speak on the Jeff Lacy win so much instead of the decision over Kessler.

A) Calzaghe was known to slap with his punches. He was never a KO puncher. B) James Toney has quite arguable a top 5 all time chin C) Idk if u just never watched either guy or if you're trolling Lol..... Nice bait. Anyways, his best win was over a prime Kessler. Followed by beating the older version of B-Hop. The Roy Jones fight was a sham and should never have been made. 1) Calzaghe has a near 70% KO ratio, hardly a soft puncher. 2) Hopkins was still P4P top 3 when JC beat him. Feel free to go back and check the lists and this forum if you weren't old enough to watch it at the time. 3) Same with Lacy, he was the betting favourite and most people (boxing fans not just casuals) thought he was going to do JC over. Instead he got the sh1t beaten out of him for every minute of the fight, was destroyed as a fighter and never the same again. It's easy to say with hindsight that Lacy was never any good.

There isn't 10. What's your point? There isn't 10 168 lb fighters greater than Sven Ottke either but he isn't in the top 500. Well, now we're getting at something. There isn't 10 greater 168 lbs fighters than Calzaghe. Now mention 10 boxers at 160lbs who, P4P, should be ranked higher than Calzaghe. Or 10 175lbs boxers.

Why don't you start by mentioning ten 168lbs fighters who were greater? There isn't 10. What's your point? There isn't 10 168 lb fighters greater than Sven Ottke either but he isn't in the top 500.

I could easily name 50 boxers without much of a second thought. Aswell as many more. Why don't you start by mentioning ten 168lbs fighters who were greater?

You can't even mention 50 better boxers, yet you say he only maybe belongs among the top 200. He certainly, without doubt, belongs among the 100 best. I could easily name 50 boxers without much of a second thought. Aswell as many more.

Men lie, Women Lie, Numbers dont lie, Calazghe is 2-0 over ATG's + 0 loses on his record = better Ranking Than hopkins (7 loses), jones (9 loses),. Okay chief. Keep taking those meds.

Roy is still fighting and winning. Don King told Roy not to ever fight that boy. Well Roy finally did and got his ass lit up. You must have missed where he's lost 9 times.