Why is Pacquiao height and reach ignored when looking at his greatness?

Ive kicked your ass all over the shop on this BS , Im done with it , Manny proved to be a fake after all which Ive said he was all along , he lost and Floyd won and you cry yourself to sleep every night , live with it . Manny is an excuse making rat with a gold tooth , he lost a bunch of times and I hope Bradley beats him this time and he retires , because not long after he retires the few remaining sour grape Manny fanboys will also go away . Floyd fcked your mind Ive never seen anything like it , he literary owns you . That is the type of response that I expected from you instead of saying what you should be saying ...... You didn't have to say you were wrong(which is true). You just had to say that I had a very good point. BTW - You said that Floyd would beat Manny in devastating fashion BUT the best highlights of that fight all came from Manny. Floyd's highlights were those bear hugs, head locks and pulling at Manny's arm ..... oh yeah, and while on the ropes, Floyd nodding that Manny was not hurting him while he was getting all those shots from Manny. What was that? :killyou:

Great fighters are the ones who would work with whatever they have and turn everything to an advantage that would work in their favor, Pacquiao's body was perfect for his style and if he had a different body he wouldn't be the Manny Pacquiao we know.

Manny was fighting at 130 the year before. Then moved up to 147 to fight his first true WW in Cotto. While my preference was to fight at 147, all Cotto had to do in return was go down 1lb from his previous fight. If Cotto complained and said it would drain him, then you have a point BUT he said the opposite. He kept on saying that he would come in the stronger fighter. On the other hand, Canelo clearly did NOT want to fight at 152 and said it would drain him. In one of the episodes Canelo said that making weight was the hardest part of his training camp!!! Now taking Canelo's statement into account PLUS the important fact that Canelo's walking weight was relatively much higher than Cotto, makes what you said very wrong. That is, Canelo had to rehydrate back up 20+lbs while Cotto said he would rehydrate about 8-10lbs. Which one is harder to do? Which one would drain you more? "Cotto, though, has no fears about taking the fight, even if it is at a catchweight of 145 pounds - one pound less than he weighed in for his last outing" Here is what Cotto said: He added: "It doesn't matter if it takes place at 145 pounds. That was the weight we had said from the start. I will go up in weight by eight to 10 pounds (by fight night)." So that is what Cotto wanted from the start. . Ive kicked your ass all over the shop on this BS , Im done with it , Manny proved to be a fake after all which Ive said he was all along , he lost and Floyd won and you cry yourself to sleep every night , live with it . Manny is an excuse making rat with a gold tooth , he lost a bunch of times and I hope Bradley beats him this time and he retires , because not long after he retires the few remaining sour grape Manny fanboys will also go away . Floyd fcked your mind Ive never seen anything like it , he literary owns you .

You just dont listen , Floyds CW with Canelo was an advantage but not near what Mannys Cotto and Oscar was and Floyd didnt make up any BS about leveling the playing field Im only a little guy , Floyd said straight up truth " It will make the job easier " Manny has the most man made resume of any fighter in history , nobody has as many special conditions as Manny , all the BS about Canelo not going to 160 is no different than Manny forcing Cotto to 145 for his title straight after a 147 drained Oscar was ok , Manny is a real good elite fighter whos team made weight draining a fine art . Manny was fighting at 130 the year before. Then moved up to 147 to fight his first true WW in Cotto. While my preference was to fight at 147, all Cotto had to do in return was go down 1lb from his previous fight. If Cotto complained and said it would drain him, then you have a point BUT he said the opposite. He kept on saying that he would come in the stronger fighter. On the other hand, Canelo clearly did NOT want to fight at 152 and said it would drain him. In one of the episodes Canelo said that making weight was the hardest part of his training camp!!! Now taking Canelo's statement into account PLUS the important fact that Canelo's walking weight was relatively much higher than Cotto, makes what you said very wrong. That is, Canelo had to rehydrate back up 20+lbs while Cotto said he would rehydrate about 8-10lbs. Which one is harder to do? Which one would drain you more? "Cotto, though, has no fears about taking the fight, even if it is at a catchweight of 145 pounds - one pound less than he weighed in for his last outing" Here is what Cotto said: He added: "It doesn't matter if it takes place at 145 pounds. That was the weight we had said from the start. I will go up in weight by eight to 10 pounds (by fight night)." So that is what Cotto wanted from the start. .

Or we can go through Manny's career and look at Morales in the second fight at a weight he was no longer comfortable at or Cotto fighting 2 lbs below the WW limit. And so on and so forth. Neither side really has a case to stand on but you idiots will keep arguing about it like it somehow diminishes the opposing fighter in the eyes of his fans. It's all excuses. Both are great fighters and Floyd beat Manny. Move on. Against Morales, it was for the 130 title. You cannot go over! Cotto was Manny's first fight against a true WW. While I would have preferred that he fought at 147 limit we need to remember that Manny was fighting at 130 the year before. All Cotto had to do is fight 1lb below what he weighed in his previous fight. Now if Cotto was saying that he would be drained then you have a good point but in every interview he said one I stated and laughed at the question. Here is what Cotto had to say about all that. "Cotto, though, has no fears about taking the fight, even if it is at a catchweight of 145 pounds - two pounds less than he weighed in for his last outing He added: "It doesn't matter if it takes place at 145 pounds. That was the weight we had said from the start. I will go up in weight by eight to 10 pounds (by fight night)."

He was a child, thats like bragging that Canelo and Chavez Jr started at 140 he was 25 at 126 is that a child? smh

He was a child, thats like bragging that Canelo and Chavez Jr started at 140 duran started at feathweight and fought up to supermiddleweight Jimmy McClarnin had similar dimensions to pac...Won the lineal ww title and beta hall of famers from 112-147 Joe Walcott was 5'1" and beat hall of famers and good fighters from 135-lightheavyweight ...lineal at ww What manny did was impressive but it was not groundbreaking boxing fans have short memories or lack the knowledhe of past fighters

Turned pro at 17 yrs old! Manny started at mini-flyweight 106 to Fly 112 to super fly 115 to bantam 118 and move up through the divisions to welter 147! Aggressive pressure fighter who is capable of using outside boxing techniques. Ray

he started at 108 He was a child, thats like bragging that Canelo and Chavez Jr started at 140

This was posted on Reddit. Current welterweight division by height and reach. http://i.imgur.com/LismCBN.png Yea Manny makes up for it with his insane foot work and speed..Manny has some of the best foot work i have ever seen

Nobody ignores how small pac was. That's why he's considered greater than floyd. By whom exactly??

but he was not outweighed his entire career man..lol..at 130 he would be a ww on fight night..

The guy is recognized as an ATG and a 1st ballot hall of famer...

I agree. People come up with this piss-poor "drained" nonsense when the fact is that Manny was still dealing with a size disadvantage. One guy is drained, one is at a size disadvantage. Even playing field. Manny deserves much more credit for fighting bigger fighters and I have major respect for the guy. the size disadvantage was nullified by a few of his opponents coming off bad showings, tko losses and not looking impressive before he fought them taking nothing away from Pac but most of his welterweight matches were not even welterweight matches. i respect him though but ODLH, Margo, Mosley, Cotto, rios did not look impressive before he fought them and its not always the name, its when you beat them as well

Outweighed his entire career? His career started at 135 did it? he started at 108

Manny's accomplishments speak for themselves. He doesn't need excuses to prove his greatness.

Floyd and his fans can't accept a little midget is being bad ass slaying bigger guys that's why they accuse him of roiding. That is the biggest compliment you can give to a fighter. ' He's so good even if he's just a midget. He must be taking peds. It's not possible!' Since he is so good his detractors automatically can't believe he did all those cleanly. 'He must be taking those A side meth again.' Too awesome = PEDS lol That's how you know someone is great. They can't believe he did all that :boxing: What his detractors forget is that speed kills. That separates the men from the boys. And Pac has it in spades. It's a rare gift that only few athletes have, hence ELITE.

Outweighed his entire career :lol1: How many L's can one guy take?

This was posted on Reddit. Current welterweight division by height and reach. http://i.imgur.com/LismCBN.png

That's what impressed me so much about his fight with Margs.